The Crying Game / TRANSGENDER DISCUSSION

[Duchess]

At least you're proudly owning your bigotry.

Jesus, MS.

[HairOfTheDog]

You're a petty fool, MS.

But at least you're an honest petty fool, whether you're being padded by the anti-bully forces or all by your lonesome.

[Midwest Spy]

I honestly don't give a rats ass about Caitlin.

However, when you thrust your business into the public's face, you take the good with the bad.

If there are idiots with nothing better to do than write on-line petitions, so be it.

And, if she still has her Twig and Berries isn't she technically still a man?

Serious question.

[HairOfTheDog]

If there are idiots with nothing better to do than write on-line petitions, so be it.

I personally don't have any problem with petitioning.

But, the content of this particular petition is idiotic, as are those who love it, IMO. The Olympic medals were not unfairly won just because Jenner has come out as a woman and transitioned 40 years later.

Anyway, it doesn't matter to me whether you regard Jenner as a woman, a man, or a chick with a dick. Serious answer.

[Midwest Spy]

Hilarious how everyone jumps on this attention whore's nuts like he's the Feel Good story of 2015.

I guess I'll never understand.

[Blindgreed1]

If there are idiots with nothing better to do than write on-line petitions, so be it.

I personally don't have any problem with petitioning.

But, the content of this particular petition is idiotic, as are those who love it, IMO. The Olympic medals were not unfairly won just because Jenner has come out as a woman and transitioned 40 years later.

Anyway, it doesn't matter to me whether you regard Jenner as a woman, a man, or a chick with a dick. Serious answer.

Same, i've been less interested in things before I guess, but this doesn't ping my sonar. I'm so over the reality show era. Deadliest Catch and Street Outlaws are the only two I watch anymore. SO's doesn't really feel like a reality show to me. I just watch it for the races.

[Jimbone]

I don't know... if he's keeping the twig and berries he's not really transitioning, is he?

I've always associated the term transitioning as someone going through the surgery... not just identifying themselves as a woman or crossdressing. Maybe I've misunderstood the terminology.

[HairOfTheDog]

You've been all over this thread as much as anyone else, MS. Do you understand your own self and what makes you so interested?

I understand why some people are celebrating Jenner and why others are so offended. To understand requires actually listening and considering the many explanations people have provided, which doesn't mean you have to agree.

I don't agree with the people who let themselves be so negatively personally affected as to wanna see Jenner pay for her choices (to transition, or to manage the publicity and try to benefit from it, or to go for the glamor, or whatever) when it's easy enough to just avoid the topic and she's not hurting them. But, I think I understand them too.

[Clang McFly]

I don't know... if he's keeping the twig and berries he's not really transitioning,

Agreed. Sounds more like he's keeping his options open and wants the best of both worlds. Greedy fucker.

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't know... if he's keeping the twig and berries he's not really transitioning, is he?

I've always associated the term transitioning as someone going through the surgery... not just identifying themselves as a woman or crossdressing. Maybe I've misunderstood the terminology.

Transitioning is the process of changing one's identity from one gender to the other. The name change, the hormones, the plastic surgery, and sometimes sex reassignment surgery.

If someone changes their identity from male to female, whether or not they actually keep the twigs and berries, they've transitioned.

But, some people will consider them a man if they still have a penis because they think that genitalia alone determines gender. And, some people will still consider them a man even if they have the sex reassignment surgery because they believe the genitalia we're born with determines our gender and that's that.

[Blindgreed1]

I don't know... if he's keeping the twig and berries he's not really transitioning, is he?

I've always associated the term transitioning as someone going through the surgery... not just identifying themselves as a woman or crossdressing. Maybe I've misunderstood the terminology.

Transitioning is the process of changing one's identity from one gender to the other. The name change, the hormones, the plastic surgery, and sometimes sex reassignment surgery.

If someone changes their identity from male to female, whether or not they actually keep the twigs and berries, they've transitioned.

But, some people will consider them a man if they still have a penis because they think that genitalia alone determines gender. And, some people will still consider them a man even if they have the sex reassignment surgery because they believe the genitalia we're born with determines our gender and that's that.

Birth gender is what counts from a leagal standpoint. Beyond that I don't care what a person does with their appearance.

[Maggot]

His DNA will always be a mans. I'm just pissed because he killed someone and being a celebrity may give him a pass. Although there still will be civil suits, maybe he's socking away money for that and hoping to slide some of it into a secret haven before he has to give it up.

[Jimbone]

This all makes my head hurt.

If I really feel like I'm a woman trapped in the body of a man, I can transition and become a woman. If I really feel like I'm disabled but trapped in a healthy body, I can transition and become disabled. If I really feel like I'm an equine trapped in the body of a human, I can transition to be a horse.

I'm going to stick with science on this. If your chromosomes say you're a man, you're a man. If your chromosomes say you're a woman, you're a woman. When science has a clear and definitive answer to what you actually are at the genetic level, the rest is a psychological issue.

[sally]

He just killed a woman because he was speeding and now he's prancing around like an old whore with his big fake tits. He has no shame.

[HairOfTheDog]

This all makes my head hurt.

If I really feel like I'm a woman trapped in the body of a man, I can transition and become a woman. If I really feel like I'm disabled but trapped in a healthy body, I can transition and become disabled. If I really feel like I'm an equine trapped in the body of a human, I can transition to be a horse.

I'm going to stick with science on this. If your chromosomes say you're a man, you're a man. If your chromosomes say you're a woman, you're a woman. When science has a clear and definitive answer to what you actually are at the genetic level, the rest is a psychological issue.

I don't know why your head hurts.

You sound very clear on your stance.

Some other people clearly see it differently.

And so it goes...

[HairOfTheDog]

Birth gender is what counts from a leagal standpoint. Beyond that I don't care what a person does with their appearance.

The birth gender can legally be changed for transgenders in many countries, including the US.

But, but the process varies by state. http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rig...signations

[sally]

If he keeps his penis and balls will he prefer to be a top or bottom, HotD? Or does he plan to still date women?

[HairOfTheDog]

Beats me sal.

I don't care much about strangers' genitals or sex lives and I don't know Jenner.

[Duchess]

If I really feel like I'm disabled but trapped in a healthy body, I can transition and become disabled. If I really feel like I'm an equine trapped in the body of a human, I can transition to be a horse.

You're in MS territory now.

[ramseycat]

Personally, I don't give a flying fuck what Bruce Jenner wants to do. He's not a hero for it. But he doesn't derserve to be stripped of medals he won. He doesn't deserve an award either. It's not news.