The Crying Game / TRANSGENDER DISCUSSION

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What's erong with accessorising your sub?

I mean...not that I'd know..

[Duchess]

far too decorative.

I'm not professing to know all about this but I do know a little something and as far as I can tell it's a personal choice on how elaborate one would want the collar to be. In that particular community it is an honor to be collared and subs don't normally have any input into what their collar looks like. I've seen many and they range from the unadorned to the very elaborate.

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Oh..

Ummm..

*sigh*

[Duchess]

Oopsie. Had a second thought and edited.

[HairOfTheDog]

Re CJ and receiving a "woman"s award.....

I support the transgender community 100%. I think each of us should try to match our brain to our genitalia. CJ has said she is/was seeking voice training so her voice wouldn't be so masculine. I don't understand why she doesn't take female hormones which will soften voice, give her a more feminine look. A true transitional person will seek to change their genitalia....CJ is not taking hormones and she has stated that she will not do the sex change surgery....
I am getting mixed signals from this person and do not think she is all that authentic.

Until she trades her penis for a vagina, she will never know what it feels like to be a woman. In no way can she relate to that in her current state. I do not think she should have won an award meant for a woman......I don't think my opinion has anything to do with discrimination, but don't think she deserved the award. There are many transitioning adults who are not recognized for their actions. To be a true role model for the transgendered population, she needs to do the complete transition. Just my opinion......

I hope no one suggests that it doesn't take hormones or a vagina to truly understand what it is like to be a woman, but putting on a dress, growing your hair, having your Adam's apple removed, having breast implants, does not a woman make.

Transgenders contend that it's impossible to match their brains to their genitalia, and it's painful and inauthentic to keep trying.

So, they change their appearance, lifestyle, and gender identity to match their brains. Many transgenders never have sexual reassignment surgery though. They get the relief and satisfaction they seek without it (or they're unable to have the surgery).

Even if a trans woman has the male genitalia removed and undergoes vaginoplasty, she'll never have a natural vagina or experience female puberty, ovulation, the option of pregnancy and breastfeeding... So, a lot of people would never consider her a woman even if she had the sexual reassignment surgery.

Anyway, I didn't read your view as being discriminatory blueberry. I think what defines somebody as a man or a woman is subjective and probably more consistent within the transgender community and within the non-trans community than across the two. All valid.

[afraidforallofus]

I love this place. You just never know what you're going to read when a notification comes in

[HairOfTheDog]

I saw a news article today about how some people in and out of the LGBT population (including Ellen DeGeneres) are put off by Caitlyn Jenner's conservative/Republican views on gay marriage and a few other topics.

That fire was apparently stoked further by her comments when she was interviewed as one of TIME Magazine's contenders for 2015 Person of the Year.

This is part of her open letter addressing the feedback.



...I guess I’ve come to understand that maybe I have made some mistakes, and I need to make my real feelings more clear.

This week a lot of attention was brought to my comments in my TIME interview, in which I said that my appearance is important to me, that I want people to be at ease when they encounter me, and that people are still uncomfortable if a trans person looks like “a man in a dress.”

I think I caused a lot of hurt with this comment, and I’m truly sorry.

What I was trying to say is that our world really is still a binary one, and that people who look “visibly transgender” sometimes can struggle for acceptance and may be treated poorly by others. And while this may be true, it’s also something that needs to change.

Some people look gender non-conforming because they want to look that way – they don’t want to conform to society’s expectations. Those people have every right to look and present exactly as they choose. And then there are other people who don’t have the resources to access the medical procedures that would help them look the way they would like to look. Procedures, incidentally, that most health insurance plans refuse to cover. All of these people are my brothers and my sisters, and I am fighting alongside them, too.

My comments probably made it seem like all I care about is fashion, or makeup, or appearance. I can tell you I really enjoy all of that—it’s who I am. It’s the world I come from, and as a person in the media I have certain expectations for myself. But I am only one person. There are a lot of ways of being trans. And I want to help create a world in which people are able to express their gender in any way that is true and authentic for them. And most importantly – a world in which how a trans person is treated isn’t dependent on how they look.

I am guessing this is probably not the last time I will say the wrong thing, or say something the wrong way. I promise to keep learning, and to try to be more articulate in the future. We have a lot of hard work to do. I am looking forward to doing it together.

http://caitlynjenner.com/2015/12/still-s...-to-learn/

[Blindgreed1]

I saw a news article today about how some people in and out of the LGBT population (including Ellen DeGeneres) are put off by Caitlyn Jenner's conservative/Republican views on gay marriage and a few other topics.

That fire was apparently stoked further by her comments when she was interviewed as one of TIME Magazine's contenders for 2015 Person of the Year.

This is part of her open letter addressing the feedback.



...I guess I’ve come to understand that maybe I have made some mistakes, and I need to make my real feelings more clear.

This week a lot of attention was brought to my comments in my TIME interview, in which I said that my appearance is important to me, that I want people to be at ease when they encounter me, and that people are still uncomfortable if a trans person looks like “a man in a dress.”

I think I caused a lot of hurt with this comment, and I’m truly sorry.

What I was trying to say is that our world really is still a binary one, and that people who look “visibly transgender” sometimes can struggle for acceptance and may be treated poorly by others. And while this may be true, it’s also something that needs to change.

Some people look gender non-conforming because they want to look that way – they don’t want to conform to society’s expectations. Those people have every right to look and present exactly as they choose. And then there are other people who don’t have the resources to access the medical procedures that would help them look the way they would like to look. Procedures, incidentally, that most health insurance plans refuse to cover. All of these people are my brothers and my sisters, and I am fighting alongside them, too.

My comments probably made it seem like all I care about is fashion, or makeup, or appearance. I can tell you I really enjoy all of that—it’s who I am. It’s the world I come from, and as a person in the media I have certain expectations for myself. But I am only one person. There are a lot of ways of being trans. And I want to help create a world in which people are able to express their gender in any way that is true and authentic for them. And most importantly – a world in which how a trans person is treated isn’t dependent on how they look.

I am guessing this is probably not the last time I will say the wrong thing, or say something the wrong way. I promise to keep learning, and to try to be more articulate in the future. We have a lot of hard work to do. I am looking forward to doing it together.

http://caitlynjenner.com/2015/12/still-s...-to-learn/

Blah, blah, blah. STFU and eat your Wheaties asshole. Your 15 minutes is up.

[HairOfTheDog]

Jenner's already at 40 years and 15 minutes.

[Blindgreed1]

Jenner's already at 40 years and 15 minutes.

True story

[afraidforallofus]

AND she looks like a bloke in a frock

[HairOfTheDog]

Yeah, sometimes Jenner looks more feminine than others.

I think she looks good for a nearly 70-year-old woman, but of course doctors have a lot to do with that.

Through her story, I learned a lot more about transgenderism in 2015 and think Jenner was successful in lessening the stigmatization of trans people.

I'm just not interested in celebrity fashion, celebrity reality shows, shark-jumping adoration, and all that jazz.

Yesterday I read a story about a former Thai monk who is now one of the top fashion and lingerie models in the country, Mimi Tao.



Unlike Jenner, Tao as a teen looks very feminine to me before the transition (^ right).

Anyway, she's supporting her family with her modeling income and says one day she may go back to the monastery.

Sexual and gender fluidity are probably concepts that I'll never fully grasp because mine are set in stone. But, I do think that people should be able to freely live their lives as they see fit in those regards, whether I fully understand it or not.

[Blindgreed1]

Yeah, sometimes Jenner looks more feminine than others.

I think she looks good for a nearly 70-year-old woman, but of course doctors have a lot to do with that.

Through her story, I learned a lot more about transgenderism in 2015 and think Jenner was successful in lessening the stigmatization of trans people.

I'm just not interested in celebrity fashion, celebrity reality shows, shark-jumping adoration, and all that jazz.

Yesterday I read a story about a former Thai monk who is now one of the top fashion and lingerie models in the country, Mimi Tao.



Unlike Jenner, Tao as a teen looks very feminine to me before the transition (^ right).

Anyway, she's supporting her family with her modeling income and says one day she may go back to the monastery.

Sexual and gender fluidity are probably concepts that I'll never fully grasp because mine are set in stone. But, I do think that people should be able to freely live their lives as they see fit in those regards, whether I fully understand it or not.

Of course. How one expresses themselves is their choice, but to expect the rest of society not to do a double take when they see a woman looking like a dude in a dress is an unrealistic expectation. I had a punk friend of mine that used to go ballistic when people stared at him and whispered behind his back. It comes with the territory when you have 2 and a half foot bright orange and yellow mohawk with black and white checkerboard side walls.

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, sure.

Anyone who has an expectation that people will stop looking at or talking about things considered outside the norm is unrealistic.

I wouldn't presume to tell people where to look or what to talk about. I'm just not disturbed or negatively affected by people's alternative lifestyles or appearances if they're simply doing their own things and not committing crimes against others.

[Blindgreed1]

Well, sure.

Anyone who has an expectation that people will stop looking at or talking about things considered outside the norm is unrealistic.

I wouldn't presume to tell people where to look or what to talk about. I'm just not disturbed or negatively affected by people's alternative lifestyles or appearances if they're simply doing their own things and not committing crimes against others.

Especially if she's wearing a dress and sporting a boner.

[Maggot]

A customer walked in one day that had those huge wooden things in his earlobes and I asked him if he got yelled at a lot when he was a kid for not using a coaster.

[Duchess]

Freaky lookin' people are outside my comfort zone. I don't want to be one of those awful people who stare.

I once saw a woman with sideburns and I couldn't take my eyes off them.

[sally]

There is a lady here that has been working at Sears in the mall for years now and she has a freaking full beard. She's short and fat and doesn't seem to be a transgender or anything, she's just a short fat lady with a beard. I have no idea and I don't think anyone else does either. Everyone just knows her as the bearded lady at Sears.

[BigMark]

Imagine what it's like downstairs.

[Duchess]

Imagine what it's like downstairs.

Downstairs? Are talking about her kitty?