TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE

[Duchess]

I'm not really violent. I'm just barking in disgust.

[afraidforallofus]

I'm in Australia, and we thought we were safe until 2002 when 88 tourists were blown to pieces in Bali. We've had the odd nutter but nothing co-ordinated. Yet.

[Duchess]

I'm in Australia, and we thought we were safe until 2002 when 88 tourists were blown to pieces in Bali.

I think people become complacent through time and of course there are always those who think something like that will never happen to them. Since this most recent attack I've been thinking a lot about it happening here again. Americans are hated and it would be a coup for them to kill us on our turf. I think about Times Square on New Years Eve or the Super Bowl or really any NFL stadium during the season. I think all it would take would be patience & planning.

[F.U.]

We can all see the possibilities of the easy targets like the Mall Of America at Christmas time. Sporting events, etc, But my twisted thoughts go to things like a maternity ward in a large city like LA, San Fran, Dallas, etc. Timed right during a baby boom period. Or at a count fair at the FFA judging. Or at a grade school Christmas program. Or shit like that. Its one thing to kill adults, but if you really want to get in their heads fuck with their kids. I know, I am a sick twisted fuck.

[Maggot]

Its the soft targets that will get hit, they are cowards. Terror is their game. The wild west has nothing on them.

[Love Child]

Alot of my friends on FB are talking aobut how media does not pick up on attacks in other parts of the world, and they are right. I think it has to do with the fact that it seems common in some places and not common in a place like Paris, a place where several go to for vacations.
I want to look up the history of violence or the statistics in Paris and not sure the best place to do so....any suggestions?

There is a decent news article in the New York times.

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/...p=cur&_r=0

[Love Child]

The world clearly doesn't give much of a fuck about a few thousand dead ones across Yemen, Syria or Iraq anymore, but hit a hundred in a 3 star Michelin Restaurant in Traversmuende, and you will sure have some fabulous media coverage. And that seems to be somewhat the trend, same with that Jihad Joe, get as much publicity as possible!

Something else I am thinking about today is this statement from HotD:

There are over 1,000 French citizens who traveled to Syria and reportedly fought/trained with ISIL and returned; it's almost impossible for French authorities to monitor all of them.

Why are so many willing to be suicide bombers? We talk about guns and accesability to them, but I think this topic needs to be discussed just as much-they don't neccesarily need guns to do harm.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ I get Mo's point about unequal media coverage in regards to the deaths in Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

While those deaths are equally sad to me, they're less shocking at this point than deaths resulting from a coordinated surprise terrorist attack against civilians in the heart of a stable country at peace. So, the media will of course be all over the Paris story and the public will generally be very interested in learning more details as the investigation continues. I'm not saying that the media is doing anything right or wrong, just that I understand the disparity in coverage.

Anyway, no doubt terrorists can do real damage with good explosives/bombs, with or without guns, especially if they plan well and execute according to plan. I think Mo probably has good insight and theories into why jihadists and Islamic terrorists do what they do.

My guess is that some radicalized Muslims (including foreigners/converts) are willing to be suicide bombers because they truly believe the extreme fundamentalist message and that they will be rewarded when they commit to killing others (infidels) and themselves. Others are probably detached and gullible individuals who are anxious to belong to something bigger than themselves; ISIL has slick internet marketing campaigns to attract those kinds of frustrated people from all over the world. Yet others are probably mentally disturbed or morally bankrupt individuals looking for an excuse to kill and don't mind dying for the thrill. And, I'd guess there are a fair number of them, particularly those from ISIL-controlled land, who don't have a choice or other opportunities, so they just do as they're told to make some money and/or stay alive as long as possible.

One thing is sure, France and other European countries are struggling to contain radicalization and terrorist indoctrination of their local criminals while they're in prison. Prisons are foreign recruiting grounds.

I'm not sure where you could find detailed crime stats for Paris specifically, but here's the OSAC overview of crime in Paris: https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReport...?cid=15642

And, this is a useful and sourced database for country-specific crime rates: http://knoema.com/atlas/France/ranks

[username]

If I were a terrorist, I would target our food or water supply. It's awful to even think about it but it seems like it would be incredibly easy. Personally I prefer they stick with suicide bombers, guns and explosives as their weapons of choice.

[afraidforallofus]

We should all educate our friends that MSM isn't the best source for "news". I'm amazed at how many think that watching the 6pm bulletin is all they need.

The amazing scenes in Kabul this week is a case in point. Untouched by MSM in Australia. Another bomb in Beirut and heroic, life-saving action by a young father? So what?

[SIXFOOTERsez]

If I were a terrorist, I would target our food or water supply. It's awful to even think about it but it seems like it would be incredibly easy. Personally I prefer they stick with suicide bombers, guns and explosives as their weapons of choice.

I know that seems to be the easiest and most efficient way to what the US, but think about it:
There are a couple thousand individual isolated water supplys in the US and it would take a Huge physical amount of killemall234 to poison enough water systems to do much. Add to that there is way more security on most municipal water supplys than there used to be. I am constantly on the hone with police and city people because we have cell sites on most water tanks. The logistics would be a monster all by itself. Food supply is even more complicated. There are agencies that watch for exactly that kind of threat.
It makes good fodder for terrorist books and zombie pockyclips movies though

[pyropappy]

When I was listening to CNN yesterday they were talking about the bombs used and how easy they are to make, they then went on to tell their viewing audience that all it takes is a few everyday ingredients that can be picked up at any store near their home and then they listed them. I wanted to punch that cow Erin Burnett right in the face, whatta stupid twat.

Don't worry the terrorists already know this info. Average people need to learn this now; it possibly might help them defend themselves if the shit really hits the fan.

[pyropappy]

All good and valid points, but I would remind every one to focus on the jihadist's stated goals. They believe in the 12^th Imam, and are trying to hasten his return. They need to bathe the world in blood so he will rise and lead them to victory.

Disrupting this country's infrastructure is way easier than you think. Imagine the chaos that would be created if they filled 100 trucks with binary explosives and did suicide attacks on bridges and tunnels. Binary explosives are very difficult to detect because the components are safe and stable until mixed.

People do not live where they work; imagine the chaos trying to get into Manhattan, all the folks in Jersey who could not get to Philly, trying to get in and out of DC using only local roads and the insanity in Hampton Roads and Norfolk.

How will the big cities move enough supplies to feed millions of people; riots will break out and millions will not survive. Imagine the chaos on Wall Street; then the panic not being able to get access to your money. The pentagon has war gamed all this and the results will not be good.

If you read "The Plan" as I suggested, you would see that current events make more sense. The Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated governments in the west; their goal is to create division among us. Occupy Wall Street, The War on Women, Gay Marriage, Black Lives Matter and now the unrest on college campuses purpose is to divide us so when all hell breaks loose the devastation will be maximized.

The solution is simple, prepare, educate yourself and find common ground with people you disagree with. If we stand united as a free people we can defeat this plan.

[HairOfTheDog]

Update

-France struck back in Raqqa, Syria today. The air raid included 10 fighter jets and was launched simultaneously from the United Arab Emirates and Jordan. Twenty bombs were dropped.

-The operation, carried out in coordination with U.S. forces, struck a command center, recruitment center for jihadists, a munitions depot and a training camp for fighters.

-Back in France...police are still hunting for three gunmen on the run, including Brussels-born Frenchman Salah Abdeslam, and an ISIS bombmaker likely to have made the suicide vests.


-An international arrest warrant has been issued for ^ Abdeslam, 26, who is accused of renting a Volkswagen Polo used by the suicide bombers. His brother Ibrahim, 31, blew himself up in a solo attack and his other brother, named as Mohamed Abdeslam, has been arrested in the Belgian capital.

This is effin' frustrating: tonight it was revealed that officers had pulled over Abdelslam and two other men on Saturday morning on the motorway between Paris and Brussels. At the time, officers in Paris knew that Abdeslam had rented the car used by the killers which had been abandoned near the theater but the information had not been transmitted to those responsible for conducting the border checks.

Refs:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/fr...05532.html
http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/ibrahim-sa...e-brother/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/20...ve-updates

[Mohammed]

When I was listening to CNN yesterday they were talking about the bombs used and how easy they are to make, they then went on to tell their viewing audience that all it takes is a few everyday ingredients that can be picked up at any store near their home and then they listed them. I wanted to punch that cow Erin Burnett right in the face, whatta stupid twat.

Don't worry the terrorists already know this info. Average people need to learn this now; it possibly might help them defend themselves if the shit really hits the fan.

Actually that is what exactly happened a short while ago in Germany I believe, where a woman bought an extremely large amount of Fertilizer at one of those "Baumarkt" shops, and the cashier called the cops, who arrested a whole cell.

What to do when you are suddenly in such a situation with guns all around you.

My point telling my parents about shopping malls in Germany being a wonderful target is simply because humanity walks around in ignorant and unexpected bliss. Just like at a concert or a nice night out. And yes, Paris is not any different from Bali. People being out and enjoying themselves.

I still got a light constant nervous shake on my right hand from being constantly alert driving my girls across Al Qaeda territory for about 2 years. You are seriously constantly fully aware of your surroundings. I'm driving and see a guy on the side of the road talking into his phone, I change the rout and plan. Anything coming unnaturally close to you is a threat. Of course I carry my weapons with me, but when a situation hits as in you being actually targeted, there is rarely any time using them straight away. And the situations can be very different.

The Chief Security of the UN, Jeff, got targeted by a single man walking towards him with an AK pointing to the ground. The rest of the group was in a car close by, thinking one guy could do it. Jeff was trained, former SAS, which is what it takes, like the American troopers in the train, and as the guy started to raise his gun, Jeff screamed and jumped towards him, which totally surprised the other guy, Jeff grabbed the barrel of the AK and pulled it towards him and down, the guy instinctively pulled back and Jeff let go, resulting in the guy to fall backwards. Jeff took off in a Zig Zag down the road and straight around the next corner.

Elvis, a German body guard of the German Ambassador, came out of a supermarket with his hands holding bags full of goods for his farewell party in 3 days, and a guy just walked up to him, pulled a gun and shot him straight away. He was a well trained person, his weapon in his holster, and could do fuck all.

Isabelle was driving in a taxi when 3 cars surrounded her, about 9 guys jumped out, the Taxi driver shat his pants and did nothing, he couldn't really, and they pulled the girls out of the cars.

Scenarios are so different and it is impossible to prepare really. What helps is like with everything else, no matter if rock climbing, knitting, cooking, or driving a car. Experience!

Tourists on the beach in Tunisia as well as the people in the concert hall in Paris all thought it was fire crackers going off first. People who know guns sure won't make that same mistake I believe.

One of the most awesome disarmament moves I ever witnessed was by one of my close Special Forces guys when we were next to a guy who was about to go crazy with an AK. What would a normal person do? Fuck knows.

This guy moved absolutely smoothly next to the shooter and with one surreal movement simply took out the magazine! And I'm sure the gun boys here who know an AK are aware just how easily that is done. But still, you must have been in a situation like that before to actually come up with that idea.

So even if you carry a weapon, those people don't start getting out of their cars going "Right folks, we gonna start shooting you now! Anybody who doesn't want to be shot, please put up your arms. Sorry, just kidding hihihi."

No, they get out, and shoot. If you are in the front line, there's fuck all you can do except being really lucky. By now, most probably all those boys involved spend some time in training camps, they sure look like they know how to handle their weapons, which is not an easy thing to do when you are in Europe, as we don't have public shooting ranges, so they must have learned those skills, and more, especially the mental state it needs fort such, in something of a battlefield. They are not new to this.

My first weapon is always to be very much aware of my close surroundings and be aware of either a quick and safe escape, like my massive metal gates when I step outside, my large tank of a car, if I'm on the road, which I would use first to hit and create a distance before using my AK next to me. and of course watching the people around me. Now this is not a nice state to be in constantly!

The other thing, how do they get all those suicide bombers. Bin Laden I think said it perfectly well. You people celebrate life, we celebrate death!

Iraq started the trend of adding a financial touch to it. They got huge families here and poverty is all over, so you take one of the brave brothers and tell him you do that and we will make sure all your family will be taken care off. And off they go. Honour, ideology and economy. Then again, not so different from the boys who stormed up the Normandy, knowing pretty well it's gonna be suicide most probably, but they had a big enough reason to do so.

The boy who blew himself up recently in Aden was just a short while ago a hip 18 year fashionable teenager listening to Hip Hop. And suddenly a gentle speaking Iman and his ideology takes him to the side and tells him there is a much bigger reason for his life. To go out with a bang. And they do.

One good point about why the world is talking about Paris but not about Yemen or Lebanon makes actually sense. So there is tragedy in Paris and all the "Western" world, from Sydney to the US, talks about it and shows they are together. There is the same thing happening in the "Arab" world in Lebanon or Syria, and what happens in the "Arab" world? Fuck all! Apart from of course, hey, how come the West doesn't talk about OUR shit?!

But does anybody see any Lebanese flag going up in Dubai, Doha, Cairo or Riyadh? Fuck no! Gaza is the modern Auschwitz getting kicked the shit out of it by Israel on a daily basis, what does the Arab world do? Fuck all!

Am still waiting that Daesh is gonna have their first attack on Tel Aviv!

[Maggot]

Its tough when the world is drawn into a war with no country but an ideal. When some countries turn a blind eye towards these nutcases they should be held responsible also.

[HairOfTheDog]

Its tough when the world is drawn into a war with no country but an ideal. When some countries turn a blind eye towards these nutcases they should be held responsible also.

Yeah, we've been talking about how lone wolfs and local networks without geographic borders were a growing world-wide threat for a couple of years here. It's reality now, East and West.

In the past couple of months, ISIL-affiliated attacks have been launched successfully in several countries and in the sky. I think the second attack on Paris in less than a year will probably be enough for coalition members to formally consider ISIL training grounds in Syria a home-country threat and ramp up military aggression.

Muslim countries really need to lead the ground charge, in my opinion. But, if they won't, the U.S. Russia, and France will. If it comes to that, I will have very little tolerance for any Middle Eastern country or group who complains of Western intervention. If they won't voluntarily attempt to neutralize their own regional threats and thus allow them to become threats to the rest of the world, they're not terribly valuable allies in my book.

So, it won't surprise me if Syria's civil war is about to turn into a multi-national battlefield and ISIL headquarters gets severely crippled, for a while. But, you can't kill an ideology with bullets or bombs or jail time, and I think new Islamic terrorist groups will always rise from the rubble of the old ones.

Seems police caught Salah Abdesalam today. He was hiding in his stomping grounds in Molenbeek, Brussels. Big surprise. Molenbeek is a breeding ground for Islamic extremism, a pit stop for Islamic terrorists throughout Europe, a place to acquire military style firearms quickly... There's a Molenbeek connection to several recent terrorist attacks. Belgium has a serious problem there and they know it. I don't know what they're gonna do about it, but I don't think "nothing" is an option any longer.

[Maggot]

If all the refugees are in Europe why worry about who gets wiped out.

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, not everyone still in Syria is part of ISIL.

Some Syrians are fighting against the terrorists. Some Syrians are fighting against the government. Some Syrians are migrating around Syria just trying to avoid the bloodshed and live another day in their home country. Wiping all of them out in order to cripple ISIL isn't a sensible or humane strategy.

ISIL is the declared enemy; not Syrians.

[Maggot]

I'm surprised people put up with the bloodshed. I would expect the people to do all they can to get them out of their town.