BITCHFEST -- THE EXTREMISTS ON THE FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT

[Fry Guy]

Yes, I have seen the Qposts. Is it a conspiracy theory.
The problem with most of the above proclamations is that a lot of "Q Anon said X" is not exactly true as QAnon "intimates" things. Such as "If Rod Rosenstein is bad then so is Mueller". So you will hear commentators tell you he is saying that Mueller is working with Trump and others say that he is warning both of them are bad. Others still will say he is saying that top the Deep State.

A lot of what he said has been proven after the event to be true. But is it a case of say enough vague things in and around a topic you are investing in and know a bit about and you will get enough things right. Like people that study sport form and comment on it.

What do I think? I think Q Anon is legit and I think it is not a larp.

However, I also think that like all things the implied power and influence of Q anon and the people behind it are NOT THAT influential. Their indicative expectation of accomplishments seems far-fetched. I think a lot of it is wishful thinking. Maybe a case of shoot for the stars and you may land on the moon.

[Fry Guy]

Buckle up. The Unite the Right. Right Wing Extremist Arseholes are having another protest/rally and so are the AntiFa Extremist Left wing arseholes.

The National Guard should be moved in surreptitiously and when they start rioting and fighting, roll on up on them not allowing them to escape and beat them into submissionand book the lot of them.

[HairOfTheDog]

HairOfTheDog...I have seen this coming from a lot of U-tubers. Some categorize it as nothing more than a LARP, others seem to think is a secret underground revolution sending cryptic instructions and communications from Q warning in advance about things like the Vegas shooting. Also warning about 'The Deep State'. It certainly has legs now that its maturing.

I had to look up "LARP" Ski. Live Action Role Play?

I think QAnon is likely just another group of fantasists who turn off their common sense and critical thinking skills, allowing themselves to be conned by some cryptic troll into believing that fiction is fact when they don't like or don't want to deal with reality.

The current non-stop practice of selling bullshit and baseless claims as truth by some of our elected leaders really feeds and empowers the conspiracy theorists. But, as long as the gullible believers don't incite violence and target victims, they have a right to exercise their first amendment rights on-line and in-person, like everyone else.

For me, truth is definitely stranger and more interesting than fiction or conspiracy theory in our current political culture anyway.

[HairOfTheDog]

Apple, Facebook, Spotify, YouTube and Pinterest have all banned Alex Jones and much of his InfoWars bullshit as of this week.

However, Twitter says he hasn't broken its user rules. CEO Jack Dorsey maintained that his website won't bow to 'outside pressure' in a series of tweets on Tuesday night.

'We know that's hard for many but the reason is simple: he hasn't violated our rules. We'll enforce if he does. And we'll continue to promote a healthy conversational environment by ensuring tweets aren't artificially amplified'.

He added: 'Truth is we've been terrible at explaining our decisions in the past. We're fixing that. We're going to hold Jones to the same standard we hold to every account, not taking one-off actions to make us feel good in the short term, and adding fuel to new conspiracy theories.'

In a series of tweets on the subject, Dorsey said Twitter reasoned that it was journalists' job to shine the light of truth on unsubstantiated rumors or sensationalized issues.

I understand Dorsey's general point. But, I don't agree that the responsibility falls solely on journalists. If it's journalists' job to bust out bullshit conspiracy theories, they'll never have the time to report and investigate the actual news these days.

[Maggot]

Meanwhile Louis Farrakan and antifa will stay ................they are not hate mongrels Oh no. 

[HairOfTheDog]

It's really old getting the "what about XXX on the left?!" type reply instead of any comment on the actual topic if it involves anyone/anything perceived to be rightwing.

I don't see people who lean more left here doing that every time a Democrat or left-leaning display of idiocy is posted up. Idiocy is idiocy.

If Louis Farrakan or Antifa is currently peddling conspiracy theories that target victims, encourage victim-stalking, inspire dipshits to shoot up restaurants, or any other such shit..................it would be helpful for you to clue us in so the suggested equivalency is more clear and we know what's being bitched about.

[Maggot]

It's not so bad once people realize which way they lean. It's common today and I could care less about Alex Jones I don't even know what his voice sounds like but I to am getting sick of the one sided rhetoric that the violent left uses to cover their own. Everyone knows the violence and aggressive behavior is reserved for the group of citizens that believe in peace and love the left as long as everyone stays in stride with the party.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ That's what I'm talking about Maggot.

Give me an example of the violent left and how they're covering their own so I know what the hell you're talking about.

This thread is about the extremists on the far left and far right. Those from both sides who promote violence and suppress the rights of others are being covered. But, you often sound defensive and like an aggrieved victim when right-wing extremists are discussed. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Maggot]

^ That's what I'm talking about Maggot.  

Give me an example of the violent left and how they're covering their own so I know what the hell you're talking about.

This thread is about the extremists on the far left and far right.  Those from both sides who promote violence and suppressed the rights of others are being covered.   But, you often sound defensive and like an aggrieved victim when right-wing extremists are discussed.  It doesn't make sense to me.

The most recent would be the Antifa induced mob and way back when the Occupy movement was invading parks. The BLM movement that interferes in quite a few things like blocking roads and invading buildings. Can you show me any right wing outlet that is doing the equivalent?

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't consider protests to be extremist actions Maggot, you know that.

And you know how I felt about you defending and supporting the Bundys taking government land, pointing loaded weapons at law enforcement, destroying native and government land, and causing schools to be closed and people to be kept from work because they didn't want to pay their taxes and wanted ranchers to be able to break laws with which they disagreed ..........after you'd bitched at length about the inconvenience and property damage caused by some people protesting income inequality and police brutality/discrimination. I discussed those topics with you.

I don't consider blocked intersections and camping out in parks equivalent to telling millions of people that six year olds who were shot to death at school weren't real and that their parents are actors who deserve to be targeted and stalked.

I do consider torching cars and looting shops violent and condemnable. That's something that happens too much by protestors in what are considered mostly left-leaning causes and I condemn it every time and applaud their arrests.

Antifa is a group of anarchists; not right or left wingers.

As for other examples of right-wing outlets or organizations causing harm to others..............I'd consider the member of the white supremacist group who ran over and killed a counter protester last year a good example. Dylann Roof also belonged to racial hate groups -- his reasons for killing 9 black church goers is another good example of violent extremism. There are a lot more.

Anyway, I don't mind calling out extremism from either side and won't try to minimize either, nor will I attempt to make false equivalencies. So, if you want to post some current cases for discussion, I'm in.

[Fry Guy]

Come on now Hair of the Dog.

Clearly, if you call extremists non-extremists, deny overall ideological politicised collectivism, make false equivalencies and talking up one whilst talking down the other then you create a false narrative.

Antifa Leftist extremists is as bad as it right wing Neo Nazis extremists. Pretending otherwise is silly.

Progressivism is an authoritarian cultural and social blight and taken to any natural outcome leads to bad outcomes as a natural consequence of its principles and ideology. Far Right Hate groups likewise and for similar reasons.

The only positive thing I can say for the far right and far left extremists is that they are comparatively few in number and I would love to see both camps rolled up and thrown in a dark jail.

Excuse either at your peril.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm clearly not excusing any extremism, FryGuy.

You've repeatedly told me how few extremists are out there. I'm not sure why you keep reiterating that point.  It strikes me as minimizing the problem and I never contended that extremists comprised a large or majority percentage of the population in the first place.  

The peril of extremism lies as much or more with the impact as it does with the number, which is difficult to quantify in any case.  We've all seen the damage that extremist individuals and small groups can inflict.  

I do see what appears to be a growth in the number of people who subscribe to and/or support white supremacist ideology over the last couple of years, or maybe they always have and are just more open about it now because they, wrongly or rightly, believe it's acceptable under the Trump Administration.  

As for Antifa....yes, it is an extremist coalition.  They employ different strategies to fight against what they consider fascism, and that includes resorting to proactive violence in counter protests and positioning it as self-defense and defense of the country.  I fully condemn that, even when I agree that what they're fighting against is terrible for the country and should evoke massive resistance.

[HairOfTheDog]

Antifa evolved from the leftist anti-Nazi movement in Europe, morphed into an anti-Racist cause, and is currently focused on resistance against white supremacy and white nationalism.  Those Antifa positions align more closely with the left side of U.S. politics at this time, which is unfortunate for decent people on the right.

I don't consider those  positions in and of themselves  to be 'extreme', as the majority of people in the U.S. do no wish to see Nazism, fascism, and race-based rule rise and become the norm either, though I have no doubt that some members of Antifa and extremists on the left sometimes see fascism and white supremacy where it does not exist.

If a left-wing or liberal government was in place and promoting some of the same policies and rhetoric as the existing one, I believe Antifa would be equally active and aggressive in its resistance, based on Antifa's history and evolution.  

In my opinion, there is a weakness in Democrat and Liberal leadership when it comes to addressing Antifa's methods.  It seems to me they don't really know how to effectively condemn extremist means of resistance when they consider the reason for resistance to be fully rational and righteous.

Anyway, I stand by my characterizations. I have a solid grasp on the meaning of 'extremism' in this context, which is not simply anything that doesn't conform to my personal opinions and positions.  But, it's not a problem for me if you consider me or my observations to be silly.  Viewpoints are often partly subjective and dependent on where one is standing.

[HairOfTheDog]

Massachusetts

This dipshit extremist was arrested today.



And it wasn't for sporting a criminally goofy hairdo.

Brandon Ziobrowski, 33, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, was arrested Thursday morning after posting on Twitter in July that he would give $500 to anyone who would kill an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent.

Starting in February, he began to post tweets promoting violence against law enforcement. In March he began tweeting threatening messages about ICE, according to the indictments.

On July 2, he tweeted: "I am broke but I will scrounge and literally give $500 to anyone who kills an ice agent. @me seriously who else can pledge get it on this let's make it work."  His Twitter account was suspended later that month at the request of law enforcement.

Investigators found that Ziobrowski's Twitter showed multiple expressions of 'extreme anti-US sentiments along with violent rhetoric regarding guns and numerous references to extreme communist, socialist and anarchist' views, according to FBI special agent Harold H Shaw.

The 33-year-old had also allegedly tweeted about his desire to kill Arizona Sen John McCain, and said guns 'should only be legal for shooting the police like the second amendment intended,' according to prosecutors.

The case was developed by the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Boston, and Ziobrowksi was arrested in New York at 7:15 a.m.

He made his first appearance in federal court in Brooklyn today and will face a charge of using interstate commerce to transmit a threat to injure another.  Good, get this guy off the streets before he hurts or kills somebody. 

I don't know his politics, but it sure seems he took some of the far left anti-ICE positions to the extreme and was motivated by it.

Hopefully, we'll see similar crackdowns on people who issue or allude to death threats against non-law enforcement citizens on social media too; hiding behind the first amendment to endanger public safety is bullshit.  Too many of the recent mass killers have made it crystal clear what they were planning to do in advance, in some cases with the full knowledge of law enforcement.  

Refs:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...er-n899146
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...gents.html

[Duchess]

Whatta dumbass. I'm glad he was arrested.

[Maggot]

The token far left extremist has been revealed. 

[BigMark]

That's lunch money, what a loser.

[HairOfTheDog]

Alt-Right Racist Extremist to Rally Again


One year ago this weekend, the Unite The Right white supremacists ^ gathered to rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. 

Locals showed up in larger numbers to protest racism, and Antifa showed up to confront the supremacists.  

Law enforcement had underestimated the crowd size and were ill-prepared for the chaos that ensued.  They eventually ordered the rally an unlawful assembly and ordered the crowds to disperse.  

That's when one of the supremacists, James Alex Fields - 21, drove into a group of protesters who were crossing the street while chanting and carrying signs promoting racial equality.  

Fields then backed up and into the crowd again. He injured several and killed Heather Heyer.  Two helicopter police officers were also killed when they crashed while patrolling the event.  Rest in Peace.



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[HairOfTheDog]

Piece of shit Fields ^ was apprehended shortly after the hit and run.  He was charged in Virginia state court with first degree murder and several other crimes last year.  

In June of this year, federal prosecutors also secured an indictment on one count of a hate crime resulting in Heyer's death, 28 counts of hate crimes for causing bodily injury and involving an attempt to kill, and one count of racially motivated violent interference with a federally protected activity.  

This weekend, Charlottesville is again expecting white supremacists and protesters.  A state of emergency has been declared in advance so that law enforcement (LE) and security personnel can be significantly increased as compared to last year.  LE is hoping their increased presence will deter non-peaceful demonstrators and protesters.

The Unite the Right white supremacists are also planning to demonstrate in Washington D.C. tomorrow.  No doubt, protesters will gather to denounce racism there too.  

I sure hope there are fewer supremacists at this weekend's rallies, there are no James Alex Fields' among the extremists, and LE is prepared for the worst in both locations.

[HairOfTheDog]

This is the full list of banned items for those joining and protesting the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville this weekend:

‘BB guns, pellet guns, air rifles or pistols, paintball guns, nunchucks, tasers, stun guns, heavy gauge metal chains, lengths of lumber or wood, poles, bricks, rocks, metal beverage or food cans or containers, glass bottles, axes, axe handles, hatchets, ice picks, acidic or caustic materials, hazardous or flammable or combustible liquids, skateboards, swords, knives, daggers, razor blades or other sharp items, metal pipes, pepper or bear spray, mace, aerosol sprays, catapults, wrist rockets, bats, sticks, clubs, drones, explosives, fireworks, open fire or open flames, and any other item considered an “implement of riot.”’

But, while those items are banned from the on-edge Virginia city as it marks the anniversary of last year’s deadly Unite the Right rally, there is nothing to stop anyone bringing in an actual gun, even an AR-15, the weapon of choice for mass killers throughout the United States.  I think that's dangerously stupid.

Charlottesville officials tried to get firearms banned from the event as well.  However, they were denied legal authority to do so. ‘Under Virginia law we cannot regulate firearms,’ city spokesman Brian Wheeler told DailyMail.com.

A handful of other cities in the state have that right, Wheeler said. Following last year’s violence, Charlottesville applied to be added to the list but was turned down.

Hopefully the increased police and security presence will deter another murderous extremist or some hot head from shooting people. Charlottesville authorities say they are doing all they can to keep the city safe. Some 700 state police and 300 members of the Virginia National Guard have been brought in to bolster the city’s own police department.

Story:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...itted.html