KAEPERNICK SUES FOR COLLUSION

[Maggot]

His baggage stats are off the charts too. Maybe the Browns will take him in, they could use some help.

[HairOfTheDog]

(Some) fans are strange.

DUIs, child abuse, spousal abuse, CTE brain damage -- 'MEH, LET THEM PLAY!!!!'

Taking a knee in silent peaceful protest of social injustice for two minutes before the game -- 'BAGGAGE, LOSER, TRAITOR, RUINING THE GAME!!!!'

[Carsman]

I saw a player take a knee, while holding his hand over his heart during the anthem.

Kinda like a compromise wash.

[Duchess]

(Some) fans are strange.

Some of those same people think NFL stands for niggers for life.

You're trying to explain something to people who have no intention of understanding. It's their way or the highway.

[HairOfTheDog]

(Some) fans are strange.

Some of those same people think NFL stands for niggers for life.

You're trying to explain something to people who have no intention of understanding. It's their way or the highway.

I'm not really trying to explain so much as I'm trying to understand why so many NFL fans feel outraged about a peaceful silent display. Kaepernick didn't violate any NFL rules or break any laws.

I really do understand why some fans support the owners' rights to reject Kaepernick on grounds that pro football is a business and Kaepernick's silent protest offends some fans, which could hurt their bottom line.

And I really do understand why some fans disrespect Kaepernick because those fans project their feelings about patriotism upon others, or they don't think the social and racial injustice exists, or they acknowledge the injustice exists but resent Kaepernick calling attention to it while on the clock.

It's a little more difficult for me to understand some fans insisting that he's a selfish POS loser who somehow broke the game. I haven't seen any evidence of that personally. But, it's subjective.

The only thing I've heard and considered but rejected as false (rather than a matter of perception)............is the insistence that Kaepernick is a washed-up overall shitty performer on the field and that's why he's not been picked up. Every objective analysis I've seen and heard contradicts that claim. Whenever that claim comes up, it seems to me it's being used to justify or bolster the fan's animosity towards Kaepernick for other reasons.

[Duchess]

I'm trying to understand why so many NFL fans feel outraged about a peaceful silent display.

Some are so outraged they've stopped tuning in, others have burned their NFL jerseys, tickets, etc. Every time I read about it or watch a video of them burning perfectly good loot I laugh out loud. Who destroys their own stuff? Who? Dumbasses, that's who.

[Midwest Spy]

Ladies, it’s called biting the hand that feeds you.

Colin took advantage of his circumstances (athleticism) and has truly lived the American Dream by cashing in on those talents and making more than 98% of what other Americans will in their lifetime, by playing a game.

In the next minute he is symbolically disrespecting that same country and it’s service members past and present, by kneeling (remember, he actually wanted to just sit until a Veteran asked him to at least kneel) during our national anthem.

For millions that’s a giant slap in the face by someone who has gotten rich in this country while at the same time essentially urinating on it.

I also quoted stats yesterday that prove that Kap is certainly nothing special from a QB standpoint.

Add it all up, and he’s not welcome.

He wanted to make a ‘splash play’ by doing what he did.

He got the attention, but has it been directed toward the cause he’s supporting or has it in fact been misdirected?

[Duchess]

In the next minute he is symbolically disrespecting that same country and it’s service members past and present, by kneeling

YOU and others take it that way. That is not what he is doing. Y'all can't even get past that in order to talk about why he does it.

[Midwest Spy]

In the next minute he is symbolically disrespecting that same country and it’s service members past and present, by kneeling

YOU and others take it that way. That is not what he is doing. Y'all can't even get past that in order to talk about why he does it.

That’s right, NOT everyone thinks in the same way.

I bet the numbers along the racial lines are exactly opposite.

Don’t you think I understand that?

But, enough of the owners and league executives understand that their fan base doesn’t agree with his method of protest.

He rolled the dice and it came up craps for him this time.

The good news:

He’s wealthy enough that he should be able to now invest 100% of his time to this cause and make a real difference.

[Jimbone]

Why isn't CK being signed to play on an NFL team?

a. He's a sub-average quarterback with above average scrambling skills.

b. He comes in to any team with enormous baggage that may influence the team dynamic negatively.

c. His presence on a team may impact ticket sales for the team that signs him, causing revenue loss for the owner.

d. He's polarized fans by his protest, whatever their reasons may be.

e. All of the above

I stand by my earlier comment that he is a lower tier quarterback based on his stats, as MS pointed out as well. Just his turnover to touchdown ratio is enough to give any owner pause. That doesn't mean I don't think he's capable of being on a roster - because he probably is, as a backup QB most likely.

[HairOfTheDog]

I have no idea what 'sub-average' means Jimbone.

But, I understand your other points. I simply don't agree with all of them.

I don't think Colin brings 'enormous baggage'. He's been low key but powerful in silent protest (much of that power handed to him by his outraged detractors).

He's not a criminal, or an entitled dickhead, or an abuser of people or substances, or someone who's trying to use NFL status to take advantage of people.

By all available accounts, he's busy donating his time and money towards volunteering in Harlem -- trying to teach at-risk kids how to avoid getting shot and killed. That's cool by me.

NFL fans who are so resentful and angry that he dared to take a stand/kneel for two minutes before the game are the dramatic projecting baggage-luggers, in my eyes.

'How dare he?!?!" *Pause for the tearful beer-guzzling pearl-clutching.*



And there's no way in hell that Colin Kaepernick is a piss poor quarterback, if one is objective and able to remove his/her emotion from the analysis. In my opinion.

[BigMark]

Sub can mean below, as in below average. He's a buffoon who ruined his career to make a point, move over Ghandi!

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks ever so much Biggie. NOW I get it.

Sub-human, sub-average, sub a dub dub...

'Buffoon'? I think I get what you were trying to say there. Time will tell...

[BigMark]

Holy crap you're evil.

[HairOfTheDog]

Being evil would be a lot easier than just being an honest smart-ass, I suspect.

Maybe I'll try getting my evil on one of these days. Be afraid, be very afraid. ')

[Duchess]

NFL fans who are so resentful and angry that he dared to take a stand/kneel for two minutes before the game are the dramatic projecting baggage-luggers, in my eyes.

None of those people talk about why he's doing it, they just complain that he is.

[Blindgreed1]

Here's a 2016 49'er stat that puts it in perspective a little more: 2-14.

Why there is so much hype around a lower tier QB is just crazy to me.

What I am saying is that Kaepernick's individual performance alone does not suck and is not THE reason he's not playing. It seems clear to me that he is, in fact, a better quarterback statistically than many first and second string quarterbacks on the field.

We'll agree to disagree on that one. He had a great receiving corps, pro-bowl offensive line and an pro-bowl RB.Those are the main ingredients in a successful offense. All you're missing in that recipe is the QB that doesn't suck.

[Jimbone]

He doesn't come with enormous baggage? He's the touchstone for a protest movement that has rattled the league he used to play in! He's ground zero for it, that's a pretty big deal for most owners I would imagine.

Again, I think it took a lot of balls to do what he did, and to fight for what he believes in. I think his good works to help kids or the less advantaged in communities is great. He seems composed and a decent guy in the interviews I've seen and read. Minus the protest I believe he'd be on a roster as a back-up somewhere or a starting placeholder for a lower tier team.

I don't think he's piss poor like Ryan Leaf, but he's become a below average quarterback, and his stats prove it. He's turning the ball over almost as many times as he's scoring touchdowns. His average yards per game had him dead last at the end of 2016 among qualifying quarterbacks, as did his yards per attempt and completion percentage. And when you get beyond the raw stats and calculate them based on game situations, he's been lower tier his past two seasons. 2016, 23^rd of 34. 2015, 29^th of 37. In 2014 (the turning point in his performance) he was middle of the pack, 21^st out of 44. These are the kind of stats that matter to people spending the money on these players.

No emotion involved here from me, just his own performance and the metrics that evaluate them.

Caveat: as an Eagles fan, I feel like I have pretty good experience watching below average quarterbacks.

[Blindgreed1]

I don't think he's piss poor like Ryan Leaf, but he's become a below average quarterback, and his stats prove it. He's turning the ball over almost as many times as he's scoring touchdowns. His average yards per game had him dead last at the end of 2016 among qualifying quarterbacks, as did his yards per attempt and completion percentage. And when you get beyond the raw stats and calculate them based on game situations, he's been lower tier his past two seasons. 2016, 23^rd of 34. 2015, 29^th of 37. In 2014 (the turning point in his performance) he was middle of the pack, 21^st out of 44. These are the kind of stats that matter to people spending the money on these players.

And for a player who was notorious for stretching out a play with his legs, this is probably the most concerning stat of all.

[HairOfTheDog]

Well guys, I'm okay with agreeing to disagree about Colin Kaepernick's abilities as a quarterback. I don't think he's below average and maybe only good enough to be a back up, but understand that you do. And, I don't think it's his baggage that he's lugging around, but understand that you do.

I'm interested to see where his grievance goes and whether his attorney finds evidence of collusion. Geragos has public statements which he feels help build a case. And last week owners were asked to turn over cell phones as league officials await word on depositions.