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New York Times posts an article about Kay Jewelers
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/magaz...sment.html
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Was there someone in this forum who complained about #MeToo?

As I was reading this article today I was thinking and wondering how certain posters in this forum would react to it. I was wondering who would say that the women were fine, they are happy, they have nothing to complain about or that they asked for it, wanted it, they could have left etc etc

I mean these sort of things happened back then, right? This is how companies were! Haven't we all seen Mad Men? Women should be happy they even were allowed to work!
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AND any woman that feels victimized by any of this-well she just did it to herself, and has only herself to blame, she should have stood up for herself, said no. Etc etc etc


Quote:The pay-and-promotions lawsuit against Sterling Jewelers Inc. began the way a lot of these things begin: In 2005, Dawn Souto-Coons walked out of the jewelry store where she had been a successful assistant manager and into a local Tampa-area employment office, claiming sex discrimination in her store. She had been working at a Jared the Galleria of Jewelry for nearly four years. But it was only in the last few months that she began to understand that the thing that kept happening to her there, the thing that seemed to keep happening to so many of the women there, went beyond the regular, standard-issue sexism she had been hearing about her whole life. But what woman is certain that the problem isn’t her, but them?
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No need for Mistletoe when you give KAY.


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Is that you and you're perverted fucking brother?
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(04-23-2019, 09:28 PM)MirahM Wrote: Was there someone in this forum who complained about #MeToo?

As I was reading this article today I was thinking and wondering how certain posters in this forum would react to it. I was wondering who would say that the women were fine, they are happy, they have nothing to complain about or that they asked for it, wanted it, they could have left etc etc

I mean these sort of things happened back then, right? This is how companies were! Haven't we all seen Mad Men? Women should be happy they even were allowed to work!
[/sarcasm]
AND any woman that feels victimized by any of this-well she just did it to herself, and has only herself to blame, she should have stood up for herself, said no. Etc etc etc


Quote:The pay-and-promotions lawsuit against Sterling Jewelers Inc. began the way a lot of these things begin: In 2005, Dawn Souto-Coons walked out of the jewelry store where she had been a successful assistant manager and into a local Tampa-area employment office, claiming sex discrimination in her store. She had been working at a Jared the Galleria of Jewelry for nearly four years. But it was only in the last few months that she began to understand that the thing that kept happening to her there, the thing that seemed to keep happening to so many of the women there, went beyond the regular, standard-issue sexism she had been hearing about her whole life. But what woman is certain that the problem isn’t her, but them?

Oh fuck right off with that bullshit.

No one here is saying that the world is a perfect place and that there are no male or female rapists or that such people are good people (remember when HoTD tried pushing that another member here was a rape apologist? Stow that bullshit) nor is anyone saying that no bigotry exists.

But by contrast no one here should be stupid enough to suggest that women have no agency, are systematically oppressed by society at large, are afforded lesser opportunities or protection under the law.

Also if something terrible happens in A workplace, it does not mean it is widespread, acceptable or excused by society. Nor does it mean that every accusation against men should be believed and that not every unwelcome contact with a man is illegal or immoral or a reason to destroy someone.

The idiotic thing that Progressives do not get but Liberals do is that it is entirely possible for #MeToo to be more than the binary choice of:

1. All men accused by women as a result of #MeToo are evil monsters, all accusations must be believed, women have no agency or control of their bodies, all men are potential abusers, all examples of instances of situations where #MeToo had a desirable effect is proof of all instances and aspects of #MeToo being desirable.

2. Women make up all instances or rape and abuse, there could never be an instance of women being picked on bullied, devalued, or assaulted, #MeToo has no merit at all. Women deserve everything they get.

So if we can all be grown up enough to believe that only the fringe element are "all in" with either 1 or 2 above.

Why do you believe such fringe beliefs may be humoured by someone here and if so bt whom and why?
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(04-24-2019, 04:00 AM)Fry Guy Wrote:
(04-23-2019, 09:28 PM)MirahM Wrote: Was there someone in this forum who complained about #MeToo?

Why do you believe such fringe beliefs may be humoured by someone here and if so bt whom and why?
I don't know. I can't remember, that is why I asked.
I was being a bit over-dramatic in my statements regarding people's potential reactions.


P.S. Tech note. This is my 2nd attempt at posting this.
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(04-24-2019, 11:53 PM)MirahM Wrote:
(04-24-2019, 04:00 AM)Fry Guy Wrote:
(04-23-2019, 09:28 PM)MirahM Wrote: Was there someone in this forum who complained about #MeToo?

Why do you believe such fringe beliefs may be humoured by someone here and if so bt whom and why?
I don't know. I can't remember, that is why I asked.
I was being a bit over-dramatic in my statements regarding people's potential reactions.


P.S. Tech note. This is my 2nd attempt at posting this.

Over-dramatic? You mean you were virtue signaling a strawman premise and suggesting someone here believed it? Okay.

#MeToo unto itself is not a good thing or a bad thing. It ENTIRELY depends on how it is used.

If it is used by people ONLY to target the people who sexually assault and are breaking laws around sexual harassment, fine.
What about Hollywood (The bastion of Progressive values at the centre of #MeToo) and people like Harvey Weinstein? What about the allegations against him? Well I think that some of them have merit and others probably don't BUT what does that mean in real terms?

Well, let's say out of the dozens of allegations about sexual harassment and rape, three or four were genuine and NOT a case of a creepy Producer making a sleazy offer of sex in return for a role which was accepted quid pro quo ("Aka casting couch"), then that would STILL make him a rapist and a sexual abuser because some were genuine. It does not extend that ALL will be and I suspect some were just immoral rather than illegal and really gross not against the law. Case by case and we can't say that JUST because an accusation was made, that the victim is actually a victim at all.

So he should still go away. But there is that culture, and as sleazy as it is, if some young adult starlet wishes to trade her body for a part, I see nothing illegal in this. They may feel gross about it, they may feel violated or take stock of their life choices or whatever but I think many are using THIS to #MeToo virtue signal.

I think that many women especially are jumping on the #MeToo bandwagon and using it purely to virtue signal and push their oppressed woman victimhood of women having no agency. The want to rally fellow women against a man they dislike for an "offence" real or imagined that does not rise to any level of significance, in a desire to socially hurt said man.

On the flipside there are many women who have rightly voiced their experiences and supported their peers against serial abusers and that is a good thing.

So is #MeToo good or bad? It clearly can be either.
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#9
Jesus,
All I was doing was expressing my thoughts in my first post-I didn't call anyone here a rapist, racist or pedaphile or sexual harraser.
And then the part where I labeled it with [/sarcasm] was where I was being "overly dramatic" as I put it.

Then you lay in to me with "You mean you were VIRTUE SIGNALING!" And then you go on to tell me about how #metoo isn't good or bad it just is.

I really wanted to say "mansplain" instead of "tell me" in the sentence above.
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(04-26-2019, 03:26 AM)MirahM Wrote: Jesus,
All I was doing was expressing my thoughts in my first post-I didn't call anyone here a rapist, racist or pedaphile or sexual harraser.
And then the part where I labeled it with [/sarcasm] was where I was being "overly dramatic" as I put it.

Then you lay in to me with "You mean you were VIRTUE SIGNALING!" And then you go on to tell me about how #metoo isn't good or bad it just is.

I really wanted to say "mansplain" instead of "tell me" in the sentence above.

Yes you were "expressing your thoughts" and those thoughts seemed to not touch on reality which suggests either:

1) you are completely ignorant in the thoughts you were expressing, which would suggest it would be charitable for someone to let you know how tenuous their grip on reality was.

2) you are delusional about what people think and why and the realities of #MeToo and society in general. If that is the case then a touch of reality shining into things should be therapeutic

3) you are expressing or feeling and not really believing a thing of what you say but want to signal a narrative that makes you feel virtuous or righteous or aggrieved and indignant, in hope others pick up on your expressed "feelings" rather than actually think to hard on the irrationality and lack of logic.

#MeToo is neither good nor bad, it depends on how and who uses it and to what ends. That is "water is wet" kind of thing. You may call that "mansplaining" but a term like that is usually only used by insecure, oppression narrative, bleating Feminisits that cannot handle being treated equally and so therefore pathologise interactions and communications with men to make themselves "feel" more superior. That is why HoTD uses it, or when pressed labels men she disagrees with as bigots or conspiracy theorists OR EVEN rape apologists.

I know you may believe the above is harsh and mean, but I bet you know it is true.

The only reason I say all this is because I actually like you. I do not think you are a demented, crazy old biddy like Rootilda and nor a dishonest, ideological propaganda-spewing Progressive loser like HoTD. I like to think you have a bit more intellectual honesty and critical thought than either of those two.
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#11
Run Lovechild, RUN!
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#12
With that response I probably don't want to open up Fry Guys post then. I have other things to worry about. I'll come back to this.
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#13
Its worth a look.
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