A failure of American leadership?

[Piglet]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

[Duchess]

It's been years, if ever, that Americans thought we had decent leadership.

We've given Ukraine a lot, billions in money & weapons.

[rothschild]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. The idiots that think democracy exists in this world have been brainwashed into thinking Ukraine is a budding democracy that's being being victimized by big, bad Russia, which is a fat load of dog shit.

If you really believe democracy exists in Ukraine then get your ass over there. Shitposting on Mock is going to do fuckall, pull your thumb out of your asshole and man the fuck up already.

[Piglet]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. The idiots that think democracy exists in this world have been brainwashed into thinking Ukraine is a budding democracy that's being being victimized by big, bad Russia, which is a fat load of dog shit. 

If you really believe democracy exists in Ukraine then get your ass over there. Shitposting on Mock is going to do fuckall, pull your thumb out of your asshole and man the fuck up already. 

Oh.  My thumb isnt anywhere near there, and i dont know what man the fuck up means.  On here, its putting you in your place.  The Ukraine left Russia, its ok to do that, Britain left the dog hole Europe.  Its called democracy, freedom.  Because the Ukraine used to be Russian, that doesnt mean it has to be Russian always.

Does it.  Answer me, clod. Crikey, i feel like im talking to a child.  Simple logic wont work will it.   The Ukrainians want self determination, it doesnt want some pig russian telling them what to do and how, they want a free society.  Would you deprive them of that?

Because of history.   History says the Russians murdered 6 million Ukranians, starved them to death.

Is that ok?

Britain does not want to be governed by the f French or the Hun.   The EU is a dictatorship, its raped Britain over and over.

The Welsh have their own parliament, so do the scots and northern irish.  And by American standards, they are a the next town, never mind state.

No matter what i say , you will repeat the same stuff.  There is no defeating immaturity, that takes generations.  This note may speed it up from 0 miles per hour to one.

[sally]

Fuck corrupt Ukraine. Mother Russia is taking back what is theirs and the US isn't helping them no matter how much they want to brainwash people into thinking they are. The billions of dollars were sending is a fucking joke. A big joke on American citizens.

[Maggot]

Yeah I don't think there is a really great return there.

[rothschild]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. The idiots that think democracy exists in this world have been brainwashed into thinking Ukraine is a budding democracy that's being being victimized by big, bad Russia, which is a fat load of dog shit. 

If you really believe democracy exists in Ukraine then get your ass over there. Shitposting on Mock is going to do fuckall, pull your thumb out of your asshole and man the fuck up already. 

Oh.  My thumb isnt anywhere near there, and i dont know what man the fuck up means.  On here, its putting you in your place.  The Ukraine left Russia, its ok to do that, Britain left the dog hole Europe.  Its called democracy, freedom.  Because the Ukraine used to be Russian, that doesnt mean it has to be Russian always.

Does it.  Answer me, clod. Crikey, i feel like im talking to a child.  Simple logic wont work will it.   The Ukrainians want self determination, it doesnt want some pig russian telling them what to do and how, they want a free society.  Would you deprive them of that?

Because of history.   History says the Russians murdered 6 million Ukranians, starved them to death.

Is that ok?

Britain does not want to be governed by the f French or the Hun.   The EU is a dictatorship, its raped Britain over and over.

The Welsh have their own parliament, so do the scots and northern irish.  And by American standards, they are a the next town, never mind state.

No matter what i say , you will repeat the same stuff.  There is no defeating immaturity, that takes generations.  This note may speed it up from 0 miles per hour to one.

Bolshevism murdered the Ukrainians. Do you know where Bolshevism came from? Do you know who financed it? I do. Even mainstream historian Alan Bullock Makes that clear. Probably every historian on the planet would acknowledge that Bolshevism was not native to Russia, dippschidt. Care to guess which ethnic group was the primary constituent of it's leadership?

Stalin, one of the few Bolshevik leaders who wasn't Jewish, was born in Georgia, but you -- ignorant putz that you are -- think he was Russian. The Soviets annexed Georgia in 1922, but Russia and Ukraine go back to at least the 9^th century. What is referred to as Ukraine was merely a regional designation, given I believe by Krushchev or Brezhnev. So while Georgia had a clear right to secede from Russia, Ukraine established itself as a sovereign state after the collapse of the Soviet Union. All would have been fine except for the coup staged by the US with appr. 50 NGO's, some of which were set up by the infamous George Soros. Blackwater was there as well, operating as Constellis, it's 4^th name in it's 16 year history as a US military proxy. A coup is not a democratic institution, it is the antithesis of a democratic institution. And after this coup Ukraine undertook rapid militarization, which is a primary characteristic of hypernationalism, not democracy.

So there you go, piglet. History.

[Piglet]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

Historically Ukraine is part of Russia. The idiots that think democracy exists in this world have been brainwashed into thinking Ukraine is a budding democracy that's being being victimized by big, bad Russia, which is a fat load of dog shit. 

If you really believe democracy exists in Ukraine then get your ass over there. Shitposting on Mock is going to do fuckall, pull your thumb out of your asshole and man the fuck up already. 

Oh.  My thumb isnt anywhere near there, and i dont know what man the fuck up means.  On here, its putting you in your place.  The Ukraine left Russia, its ok to do that, Britain left the dog hole Europe.  Its called democracy, freedom.  Because the Ukraine used to be Russian, that doesnt mean it has to be Russian always.

Does it.  Answer me, clod. Crikey, i feel like im talking to a child.  Simple logic wont work will it.   The Ukrainians want self determination, it doesnt want some pig russian telling them what to do and how, they want a free society.  Would you deprive them of that?

Because of history.   History says the Russians murdered 6 million Ukranians, starved them to death.

Is that ok?

Britain does not want to be governed by the f French or the Hun.   The EU is a dictatorship, its raped Britain over and over.

The Welsh have their own parliament, so do the scots and northern irish.  And by American standards, they are a the next town, never mind state.

No matter what i say , you will repeat the same stuff.  There is no defeating immaturity, that takes generations.  This note may speed it up from 0 miles per hour to one.

Bolshevism murdered the Ukrainians. Do you know where Bolshevism came from? Do you know who financed it? I do. Even mainstream historian Alan Bullock Makes that clear. Probably every historian on the planet would acknowledge that Bolshevism was not native to Russia, dippschidt. Care to guess which ethnic group was the primary constituent of it's leadership?

Stalin, one of the few Bolshevik leaders who wasn't Jewish, was born in Georgia, but you -- ignorant putz that you are -- think he was Russian. The Soviets annexed Georgia in 1922, but Russia and Ukraine go back to at least the 9^th century. What is referred to as Ukraine was merely a regional designation, given I believe by Krushchev or Brezhnev. So while Georgia had a clear right to secede from Russia, Ukraine established itself as a sovereign state after the collapse of the Soviet Union. All would have been fine except for the coup staged by the US with appr. 50 NGO's, some of which were set up by the infamous George Soros. Blackwater was there as well, operating as Constellis, it's 4^th name in it's 16 year history as a US military proxy. A coup is not a democratic institution, it is the antithesis of a democratic institution. And after this coup Ukraine undertook rapid militarization, which is a primary characteristic of hypernationalism, not democracy.

So there you go, piglet. History.

There are two counties in Britain, Yorkshire and Cornwall who have explored becoming separate from the rest.   Id like to again draw your attention to the four countries of Britain, all contained in a small space.     I would also like too draw your attention too the Ukranians themselves.

They are fighting the Russian pig.  If they thought of themselves as Russian, they would not be fighting.    Would they.    An election in regards to membership of some kind of partnership with Russia would have been good, and would have saved the lives of countless children.

Russia is waging war on the Ukraine because it doesnt give a fuck about what the Ukranians want.

BP began oil exploration in the Donbas about 2009, and found huge reserves, about as much as Norway, and huge gas reserves. Yeah, really.

Anyway, do you get democracy now and how it works. ?  If yorkshire wants to become a separate state in Britain, enough people want it, then so be it. 

Russia is huge, and must contain untold quantities of resources that havent been found and untapped, thugs stand in the way of that.  Imagine a Europe that includes Russia as a normal non aggressive partner.   Good isnt it, a massive boon for the whole world.  Russia could absorb countless immigrants then some.   And it should now, the population of Russia is sinking badly.

The Ukranians are killing them.

Imagine the endless wheat fields, the rare metals, the boundless foods of all sorts.   Cooperation, space programmes, wealth, advances beyond description.  Its like Putin and his orcs are sitting on endless wealth, but wont share it or tap into it.    For powers sake. 

So there you go Rothschild, democracy, common sense, no paranoia.  

VIVA UKRAINE,  When the Russian pig is killed, an army should march on Moscow.

[rothschild]

Does this sound like "democracy", Piglet?

[Duchess]

WTF is wrong with Russia? That's a serious question. Why wouldn't a country not want to have a flourishing, successful society? All countries should want that, it helps everyone. It's got to be more than money, it's something more. I'm not so sure it's power either, no one wants to live under an iron fist, most will leave.

[BigMark]

Explains everything...


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222

[Duchess]

Thanks! I read it. I'm still confused, or maybe that's not the right word. I still don't understand. When his country looks good, HE looks good. He has more money than he can ever spend, there's no doubt he has a great deal of power as well. I've read gossip that he has few close associates, if true, that doesn't seem good either. He has people killed who push back and/or disagrees with him. He could potentially have had the respect of the world, but makes the choice not to do anything that could have given him that. It's just seems senseless to me.

[rothschild]

Explains everything...


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222

It doesn't explain Ukraine's militarization, it doesn't explain Ukraine's shelling of the Donbass region, which started shortly after Washington installed the new pro-Western government, it doesn't explain why Ukraine reneged on it's agreement to grant the Donbass region cultural autonomy per the Minsk Agreement signed in 2014, and it doesn't explain why Russia should tolerate the encroachment of a hostile NATO right up to it's doorstep. In fact, it doesn't explain anything at all from the perspective of Russia.

Just between you and me, Mark, one-sided coins don't exist; not with respect to Trump, not with respect to Russia, not with respect to anything.

[BigMark]

putin felt powerless when the berlin wall fell, now that he is in total absolute power he is trying to get some territory back and he aint taking the proxy war sitting down.

[Maggot]

Proxy is a good word here.

[rothschild]

putin felt powerless when the berlin wall fell, now that he is in total absolute power he is trying to get some territory back and he aint taking the proxy war sitting down.

You can say the exact same for Reagan, Cheney, Obama and Trump. The major difference is Russia doesn't have elaborate pretenses regarding "democracy". Power politics is power politics.

[Piglet]

putin felt powerless when the berlin wall fell, now that he is in total absolute power he is trying to get some territory back and he aint taking the proxy war sitting down.

You can say the exact same for Reagan, Cheney, Obama and Trump. The major difference is Russia doesn't have elaborate pretenses regarding "democracy". Power politics is power politics.

All this chatter about this that and the other, history is bunk, what matters is now.  The Duchess hits it on the head without realising it, her inability to understand why this is happening. This is my take.

Nobody understands the difference between right and wrong.  History does not justify war.

Of course Putin is in there, as is the Nazis, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, practically every war you can think of, water finds its own level, it was all a waste of time, effort and money. 

The result was a blood bath, as it is now in the Ukraine.  I remember early in the war, a Ukranian woman lying dead by a rail station waiting for a train to evacuate, her bags spilled everywhere, her food for the trip on the floor.

How can a politician explain that away?  How can that be justified?    Putin will,  lets not imagine a child torn apart. 

Its not right regardless.   Its wrong.

[cannongal]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

I'm curious as to why you think America should be a leader in the grand scheme of things?   I mean,  logically speaking,  America is less than 300 years old.    We are just a baby compared to any country in Europe.    Why should we take part in this scuffle?  

I don't think that America should be responsible for what Russia does,  nor do i think America should be responsible for saving the middle east.   


What has your country done?  Or are you of the mindset that only America can save the world?

[Piglet]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

I'm curious as to why you think America should be a leader in the grand scheme of things?   I mean,  logically speaking,  America is less than 300 years old.    We are just a baby compared to any country in Europe.    Why should we take part in this scuffle?  

I don't think that America should be responsible for what Russia does,  nor do i think America should be responsible for saving the middle east.   


What has your country done?  Or are you of the mindset that only America can save the world?

America has the biggest military in the world by a long shot, it can do what ever it wants, thats why its the worlds boss, or cop.  Can you stand by and watch the horrors of this world and do nothing?  You are your brothers keeper.   Having said that, water finds its own level, maybe non intervention is the way to go.

Life on this planet will always throw up instances where there is no answer all you can do is choose, and not know which choice is the better outcome, because both are right.  If it was me, i would never have come out of Afghanistan, and when it was clear genocide was being comitted in the Ukraine, id tell him that he cant do that.

And id back it up with force.  You cant have a mad dog running rampant.  He will of course threaten the big bomb, my response would be, " go on then" my big ones are on you and your family.

Putin gambled that the west would not intervene his invasion, he was right.  I would gamble he would not start a nuclear war.   If he did it would still be worth it, you cant take a knee, like we are now, and not expect it to get worse.    There is an Indian saying, " If you let someone put their finger tip in your mouth, you will end up with a fist down your throat". 

The last thing we need is a Biden and Obama in charge, it was obamas surrender in Syria, his yellow bellied weakness that helped lead to this.   If it was Trump, the world would be safe.

[rothschild]

Russia is doing whatever it wants, while America stands aside, Putin is even threatening more wars, and is fuelling Serbia to start a war there. He threatens Moldova, and everyone else.

There seems little doubt that the west, with America as boss, is not doing enough for the Ukranians to kick the bear out.  Indeed, Biden doesnt want to.    And we all suffer economically, the west is bankrupt any way, and were all going to suffer.  EVENMORE.  Something bad is coming.

To use a Hollywood western  as an example, a cowboy is shooting up part of town, killing as needed, and the sherriff, America, does nothing, watching from across the street, even though he knows that his side of town is next.

The sherriff has destructive hardware you wouldnt believe, while the cowboy has a pea shooter. 

What would you do?

I'm curious as to why you think America should be a leader in the grand scheme of things?   I mean,  logically speaking,  America is less than 300 years old.    We are just a baby compared to any country in Europe.    Why should we take part in this scuffle?  

I don't think that America should be responsible for what Russia does,  nor do i think America should be responsible for saving the middle east.   


What has your country done?  Or are you of the mindset that only America can save the world?

America has the biggest military in the world by a long shot,...

That didn't stop the French from tucking tail and running home when Hitler marched into the Rhineland to get Germany's remilitarization underway. The brits were nowhere to be seen, either, which was disgraceful considering the provisions of the Versailles Treaty. Imagine the tens of millions of lives that would have been spared if they hadn't behaved like cretinous cowards.

Once a coward always a coward, I suppose.