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8 year old kills himself with an Uzi
#61
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Unfortunately I couldn't find and stats on US knife crime, though I suspect they are also far in excess for those in the UK based on population sizes.
Hello Howard ,


That is also the problem I was having . After many searches all I could find was info on the knife problem in the U.K. .

And without those numbers your suspicions are just that , suspicions .
How do you explain the difference in the numbers between the link I posted and the data you posted ?


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#62
The link you posted shows the total amount of recorded knife crimes, not the total fatalities.

Hence the difference in the figures I gave.
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#63
Thanks for pointing that out to me Howard . However you must admit that is still a hell of a lot of injury/death from 1 type of dangerous weapon . I am curious what your answer is to the growing knife problem in the U. K. . I know what your government would propose . Tighter knife laws . But I would like your take on that .

I have had this gun vs anti gun debate many of times . And I have came to only one conclusion . That is , We can argue till we are blue in the face . It wont change a thing . You will still leave with your beliefs and I with mine . Both feeling the other is wrong .
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#64
You're the first person to come on here with some intelligence and reason and I thank you for that.

I'm sure you're right and we will never change each others views.

As to the UK knife crime figures, they are alarming and no mistake.

I put a lot of it down to the general disintegration of society. The lack of respect in schools and the do goody good liberals that seem to think we can get though to these arseholes by talking to them.

There is no doubt in my mind that both in your country and in mine, violent crime is on the increase. I hope that sooner rather than later, the powers that be will say enough is enough and start coming down hard on crime. I think that for far too long, the soft option has been seen as the correct way to go, when clearly this just hasn't worked.
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#65
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:I put a lot of it down to the general disintegration of society.



We have just found a common ground Howard . I agree with you . However until society remembers the definition of respect . And parents once again start putting a boot in there child's ass and teaching them right from wrong ,as well as respect , we [all of us] will be in for a bumpy ride .
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#66
Totally agree mate.
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#67
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:You're the first person to come on here with some intelligence and reason and I thank you for that.

I'm sure you're right and we will never change each others views.
You know what, dammit??? For as many times I have mentioned that fact that none of us will ever change the other's mind, I'd given up on it because it had always been fucking ignored. Now when I don't use it, Howie gobbles it up from someone else.::ahole:: 95
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#68
It's not what you say, it's how it's said lol.
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#69
Sinister Wrote:
Zenith Wrote:Embrace your love and friendships a bit more than you are embracing that people killer gun you love so much.
I have come across a phenomenally low number of people worthy of calling them my friend. People are stupid. How many times did we say that Friday night? ::blink::
Oh dear Lord, you got me.

(((YES))) people are stupid but there has to be some shred of hope or else we are all just going in circles.
::dunno::
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#70
Zenith Wrote:(((YES))) people are stupid but there has to be some shred of hope or else we are all just going in circles.
You can have my share of hope. I lost the last shred of mine about 28 months ago.


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#71
Sinister Wrote:
Zenith Wrote:(((YES))) people are stupid but there has to be some shred of hope or else we are all just going in circles.
You can have my share of hope. I lost the last shred of mine about 28 months ago.
::hugs::
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#72
8 year old + Uzi = dead kid.
Enough said.

the kid should have never ever ever had that gun in his hands. period.
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#73
In the UK we desperately need a legal system that properly punishes offenders, jails that are fucking hellholes not hotels, and the death penalty for the most homicidal and depraved.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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#74
Ordinary Peephole Wrote:In the UK we desperately need a legal system that properly punishes offenders, jails that are fucking hellholes not hotels, and the death penalty for the most homicidal and depraved.
Well, you know what Dostoyevsky said; You can judge thedegree of civility in a society by visiting its prisons. So do you want your society judged on how you treat those you put in prison? It's one of the reasons it makes sense to me why so many people hate America. Check out one of our prisons one day. ::scared::
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#75
I agree with OP.

Until the punishment for crime is so abhorrent, folks will just carry on committing them.

For instance: Singapore will publicly flog vandals and low and behold, they don't have much of a vandalism problem.

The west in general is far too soft on the arseholes that think it's perfectly ok to act like fucking animals.
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#76
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:I agree with OP.

Until the punishment for crime is so abhorrent, folks will just carry on committing them.

For instance: Singapore will publicly flog vandals and low and behold, they don't have much of a vandalism problem.

The west in general is far too soft on the arseholes that think it's perfectly ok to act like fucking animals.
ABSOLUTELY!!!! Make the punishment fit the crime. If you steal, they lop off a hand. If punishment was as swift and uncompromising as this, there would be less crime anywhere tactics like this were implemented. And none of this repeated offender shit. Like some of the fuckers here who get 10, 12, 18 DUI convictions and get slapped on the wrist. Shit like this pisses me off. The injustice system is broken beyond all repair and I don't see it improving any time soon.
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#77
Sinister Wrote:
Ordinary Peephole Wrote:In the UK we desperately need a legal system that properly punishes offenders, jails that are fucking hellholes not hotels, and the death penalty for the most homicidal and depraved.
Well, you know what Dostoyevsky said; You can judge thedegree of civility in a society by visiting its prisons. So do you want your society judged on how you treat those you put in prison? It's one of the reasons it makes sense to me why so many people hate America. Check out one of our prisons one day. ::scared::

Some of us know why Eva is ultra right wing about most things yet strangely liberal about prison conditions. And some of know if a certain thing happens she will do a 180 degree turn on this view like the 50 faced hypocrite she is.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
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#78
Ordinary Peephole Wrote:
Sinister Wrote:
Ordinary Peephole Wrote:In the UK we desperately need a legal system that properly punishes offenders, jails that are fucking hellholes not hotels, and the death penalty for the most homicidal and depraved.
Well, you know what Dostoyevsky said; You can judge thedegree of civility in a society by visiting its prisons. So do you want your society judged on how you treat those you put in prison? It's one of the reasons it makes sense to me why so many people hate America. Check out one of our prisons one day. ::scared::
Some of us know why Eva is ultra right wing about most things yet strangely liberal about prison conditions. And some of know if a certain thing happens she will do a 180 degree turn on this view like the 50 faced hypocrite she is.
Expand on this, please. I'm "liberal" about prisons? How so? Seriously, not setting you up for something, I'd reallylike your take on this.
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#79
Quote:50 faced hypocrite she is.
For fuck sake ..........are you out of your normal nasty insults?

Where did that dumb fucking reply come from?


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#80
Yeah, newbie wants answers!
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