~~~TITANIC FANATIC~~~

[Maggot]

A few articles I have from a book I bought in a yard sale for a couple bucks.

[Lady Cop]

on the 99^th anniversary of sinking~~~~April 15~~
a new book, but the facts are not really new. still, could be interesting.

Daily Mail review

A sensational new book on the Titanic is set to bust every fact you ever thought you knew about the world's most famous sinking ship.

Tim Maltin's '101 Things You Thought You Knew About The Titanic...But Didn't!' puts the record straight - revealing astonishing facts about the unsinkable ship that sunk.

The book reveals that had the Titanic hit the iceberg head on it would have been saved and that men were shot in its fatal last minutes for refusing to get out of overcrowded lifeboats.

and had the lookouts been equipped with binoculars they still wouldn’t have seen the iceberg - because the naked eye was more effective.
Just some of the other ground-breaking myths spectacularly busted by Tim include: The disaster being predicted 14 years before it happened by writer Morgan Robertson, the ships distress signal gave the wrong position by over 10 miles, more third class men were saved from the Titanic than first class men, and more men were saved from the Titanic than women.

It has taken Tim 25 years of painstaking research to piece together the fateful events of April 15 1912 – which killed 1,500 people.

His love affair with the famous cruise liner was sparked by the film 'A Night To Remember' which he watched repeatedly as a seven-year-old.

But the more he read about the ship, the more he realised he knew nothing of the tragic events that unfolded in the icy waters off the coast of Canada.

Undeterred, the author from Wiltshire, set about reading every single transcript from the public enquiries held into the disaster - which totalled 200 documents, 50,000 questions posed and 150 eye witness accounts.

And after two-years of solid work compiling the book, Tim hopes the record can finally be put straight.

The 38-year-old author said: 'Ever since I was seven I have been gripped by the Titanic and what happened.

'But I realised that years of storytelling has turned the true facts into myths - much like Chinese whispers.

'Films and TV shows have also created bizarre myths, which have just passed into public knowledge.

'So I decided to go through the testimonies of the people actually there one by one, reading every word and sometimes reading them again.

'Because these people were talking when it was fresh in their memory I have been able to rebuild the true events of April 15, 1912.

'It has taken 25 years of reading and two years to write, but hopefully the book will correct every falsity that ever passed into fact.'

[Lady Cop]

doomed.

she went down 99 years ago on this date.

[ramseycat]

OMG! I am so fascinated by this story. I loved the movie. Yes, I realize how much of the movie was fiction but I still love it. I just find that time period fascinating. But it's so tragic how those people died. I can't even imagine the terror they felt.

[Duchess]

I loved the movie.

I may be the last person in the Western world who hasn't seen it.

[ramseycat]

Really?? It's an awsome movie.

[Lady Cop]

I loved the movie.

I may be the last person in the Western world who hasn't seen it.

i know you don't like to sit through movies, but it's worth it for the costumes and setting. very authentic of the ship interiors. the best thing about the movie is the recreation of the sinking, extremely well done. otherwise it's a bunch of romantic horseshit that never happened.
and the elder lady who played the aged Rose is worth seeing in her role. she died not long ago.

http://mockforums.net/thread-4262.html?h...se+titanic

[esbee]

   

Five days after the passenger ship the Titanic sank, the crew of the rescue ship Mackay-Bennett pulled the body of a fair-haired, roughly 2-year-old boy out of the Atlantic Ocean on April 21, 1912. Along with many other victims, his body went to a cemetery in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where the crew of the Mackay-Bennett had a headstone dedicated to the "unknown child" placed over his grave.

When it sank, the Titanic took the lives of 1,497 of the 2,209 people aboard with it. Some bodies were recovered, but names remained elusive, while others are still missing. But researchers believe that they have finally resolved the identity of the unknown child —concluding that he was 19-month-old Sidney Leslie Goodwin from England.

Though the unknown child was incorrectly identified twice before, researchers believe they have now conclusively determined the child was Goodwin. After his recovery, he was initially believed to be a 2-year-old Swedish boy, Gösta Leonard Pålsson, who was seen being washed overboard as the ship sank. This boy's mother, Alma Pålsson, was recovered with the tickets for all four of her children in her pocket, and buried in a grave behind the unknown child.

Full article here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42755013/ns/...e-science/

A photograph of the other members of the Goodwin family, all of whom perished when the Titanic went down on April 15, 1912.

   

[WolfHouse]

I loved the movie.

I may be the last person in the Western world who hasn't seen it.

I thought I was the only one, though I own the original black and
white Titanic.

[Lady Cop]

It is a unique piece of Titanic memorabilia that was used at the official inquiry into the liner's sinking.

And now this 32ft long plan of the doomed ship is to go under the hammer and could be sold for £150,000.

The extraordinary plan was used by witnesses and experts to establish the cause of the tragedy, and even contains original chalk marks showing what happened.

The red and green chalk marks on the diagram show where the iceberg penetrated.

The huge drawing used red and green chalk to indicate where ice was believed to have penetrated the ship and also used handwritten captions to explain the complexities of the ship

The enormous drawing, which was mounted on linen, was so pivotal to the inquiry that it was hung in the official hearing room so that witnesses could refer to it constantly.

It played an invaluable role in the conclusion of the investigation - and the subsequent decision to fit more lifeboats for any future voyages.

The piece is so remarkable that it has been described by experts as the 'Holy Grail' of Titanic memorabilia.

The paper plan, which was drawn in Indian ink and hand-coloured, measures 32ft 6ins by 4ft 8ins and uses a scale of 3/8ins to one foot.

It is headed 'S.S. "TITANIC." PROFILE' and contains red and green chalk markings indicating where ice was believed to have penetrated five water-tight bulk heads.

It contains handwritten captions explaining the complexities of the ship, and was intended to be a simple diagram for the people at the hearing to refer to.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1Mpivxwrc

[Lady Cop]

cool! more at link.

This amazing picture of Titanic Captain Edward Smith's private bathtub is among a series of spectacular images that have been shown for the first time during a court case into the salvage rights.

The porcelain tub, which has intricate plumbing for both freshwater and seawater, has sat in the captain's cabin at the bottom of the ocean for almost 100 years.

Captain Smith went down with his ship on April 14,1912. He was one of an estimated 1500 people who lost their lives in the tragedy.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-surface-1^st-time.html#ixzz1Qs6VCWKv

[Lady Cop]

A rare Titanic deck plan owned by a first class elderly couple who died when the doomed liner sunk is set to sell at auction £50,000

Ida and Isidore Straus drowned side by side after Mrs Straus refused a place on a lifeboat to remain with her husband.

The deck plans were only handed out to the 324 first class passengers when they arrived on the ship in Southampton on April 10, 1912.

[Lady Cop]

i think all the survivor stories are compelling.


Astonishing unseen photographs of the aftermath of the Titanic disaster have emerged after 99 years.

The black and white pictures show an iceberg at the site of the tragedy - and may even be the one that sunk the luxury liner.

Another image shows two lifeboats packed full of survivors rowing for safety following the 1912 disaster in which 1,517 people died.

The remarkable archive includes a survivor's letter containing a moving first hand account of the sinking, which tells how the rows of portholes 'disappeared one by one'.

It was written by first class passenger John Snyder who was returning to America on the doomed liner with his new bride Nelle from their honeymoon.

He described how they were woken following the 'bump' and that he owed his life to his wife who made him see what was going on even though he wanted to go back to bed.

He explained how they were almost the first people in the life boat because others thought it safer to stay on the 'big boat'.

The archive of photos and letters have remained in the Snyder family all this time but have now emerged for sale at auction.

The incredible photos were taken from the deck of the Carpathia, the first ship that arrived at the disaster scene and picked up survivors on the morning of April 15, 1912.

Another rescue ship - the SS Californian - can been seen in the background after she finally arrived at the scene having at first ignored the Titanic's distress rockets.

There is also a picture of the Snyders shortly after they reached land and they are still wearing the clothes they were rescued in.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1bECk2uBN









The California

[Lady Cop]

new book, focused on the lives of the survivors.

SHADOW OF THE TITANIC BY ANDREW WILSON

As the 46,000-ton Titanic slipped beneath the waves at 2.20am on April 15,1912, it was the noise of the cries of those left aboard that would haunt the survivors in the lifeboats for the rest of their lives.

One described it as like a gigantic swarm of bees; another, 100,000 people at a Cup Final; a third, the roar of a crowd in a baseball stadium - he could never bear to go to another game.

That last detail is what differentiates Andrew Wilson’s book from the hundreds of others written about the Titanic: though he gives a gripping account of the disaster, his focus is elsewhere and largely hitherto untouched upon.

What happened to the survivors afterwards? How did the cataclysmic event affect their subsequent lives?

J. Bruce Ismay was managing director of the White Star Line, the man responsible for building the Titanic and for vetoing an extra 48 lifeboats for reasons of cost. They would have saved nearly all the 1,500 people who died.

Ismay compounded this by getting into a lifeboat, despite the golden rule of ‘women and children first’, and surviving the sinking.

On board the rescue ship, the Carpathia, he holed up in a private cabin, while other survivors slept on tables and floors. He was shellshocked, sitting on his bunk, staring into space and trembling.

Afterwards, his wife forbade mention of the word Titanic in his presence and he became a virtual recluse, hiring a whole compartment to travel on trains, and was given to chatting to tramps on park benches.

Many survivors exhibited similar symptoms of what would now be recognised as post-traumatic shock disorder.

Unlike Ismay, 17-year-old Jack Thayer was a hero, helping others into lifeboats and refusing a place himself.

As the ship went down, he dived into the icy water. Its temperature was minus 2C and most fatalities were not due to drowning, but hypothermia, which is why the terrible noise was replaced after only a couple of minutes by a ghostly silence.

Jack climbed on to an upturned lifeboat and returned home a national celebrity.

Yet later in life he suffered depression. After his mother (also a survivor - his father perished) died on the anniversary of the sinking and his son was killed in World War II, he slashed his wrists, one of at least ten suicides among survivors.

Plenty of others had mental health problems and some ended up in mental hospitals.

At first, silent screen actress Dorothy Gibson seemed to profit from her survival. Within four weeks of the disaster, her film producer boyfriend Jules Brulatour had released the movie Saved From The Titanic, starring Dorothy in the dress she’d been wearing that night.

It was a worldwide smash hit, yet during filming Dorothy became strangely dissociated, as though replaying the events had brought it all back. She turned her back on her career.

Her subsequent chequered, unhappy life included a spell in a Nazi concentration camp.

Other survivors’ lives were more immediately ruined. Sir Cosmo Duff Gordon and his wife, the upmarket fashion designer Lucile - inventor of the word ‘chic’ - escaped in a lifeboat which had a capacity for 65 people but contained just 12.
Besides the fact Duff Gordon had saved himself, he suffered disgrace because he paid the seven crewmen rowing the boat £5 each. He claimed it was an act of generosity; some believed he’d paid them to row away from the sinking ship, thus avoiding rescuing others.

Sir Cosmo’s cowardice was compounded by the couple’s first night back ashore when, at a celebratory New York restaurant meal, a champagne-fuelled Lucile talked flippantly about the disaster. Sir Cosmo became a social pariah.

After she separated from him, the shameless Lucile’s fashion business prospered, until her financial recklessness left her broke.

An interesting footnote is the saga of the vomit-stained kimono in which she survived, which was recently the subject of a three-way ownership dispute between two Titanic memorabilia collectors and Lucile’s descendants.

Of the 143 women in first class (£875 a ticket), four died - three because they refused to leave the ship. In third class (£12 a ticket), more than half the women perished.

This social stratification continued even after death. The ship sent out by the White Star Line to search for bodies in the immediate aftermath brought back only first-class passengers. The rest were given on-the-spot burials at sea.

When the body of John Jacob Astor, one of the world’s richest men, was recovered, he had $2,500 on him consisting of cash, a gold watch, cufflinks and a diamond ring - the equivalent of $57,000 today.

The 48-year-old millionaire died a hero, refusing a lifeboat place, but his will caused a sensation when it was revealed his pregnant 19-year-old wife Madeleine would lose all her inheritance if she remarried. He hadn’t expected to die so soon and leave a widow with a lifetime before her.

After four years as the leading lady of New York society, Madeleine found another husband. The marriage failed and she became embroiled in a long affair with - and eventually married - an Italian boxer, who used her as a punch bag.

She became a social outcast, and her unhappy life ended alone in 1940, quite possibly in suicide, after telling people ‘the Titanic ruined my nerves’.

The tragedy of this wealthy woman mirrors a major theme of this endlessly fascinating, superbly written and researched book. It demonstrates not only how, as the title says, the wreck of the Titanic overshadowed the lives of the 705 survivors of that awful night, but also signalled the ending of the era of immense wealth, opulence and privilege of which the mighty ship was the swansong, and which was soon to be blown apart by World War I.







Some of the Titanic crew who went on to work on other ships

[pspence]

"Ismay believed the Titanic was "unsinkable" and persuaded the captain to keep sailing forward, rather than giving up and waiting for a rescue.

OMG, I didn't know that. "My grandfather described the decision to try and keep Titanic moving forward as criminal," Patten told The Guardian. "The nearest ship was four hours away. Had she remained at 'stop', it's probable that Titanic would have floated until help arrived."


OMG. unbelievable. first I think of the arrogance in that decision of thinking MY structure could never fail...but what if arrangance had nothing to do with it and the poor man really really believed that was true and was just trying to save lives. what a tragedy beyond belief. I never knew if they would have just sat there it was possible they could have been rescued. Holy Crap!

[Lady Cop]

Almost 100 years after they were sent, telegrams declaring the sinking of the Titanic have been put up for sale.

The eight messages were sent by Bruce Ismay, head of the ship’s owners White Star Line, after he was rescued in the 1912 disaster.

The first telegram to the shipping company’s New York office was set at 1pm on April 15 – 11 hours after the Titanic sunk with the loss of 1,517 lives.In it, Mr Ismay wrote: ‘Deeply regret [to] advise you Titanic sank this morning fifteenth after collision [with] iceberg resulting serious loss [of] life. Further particulars later.’

Soon after he wrote the telegrams Ismay - who was later dubbed the Coward of the Titanic - had to be treated with opiates to help him cope with the shock of the sinking.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1gAaVZZVF

[Lady Cop]

AP

RICHMOND, Va. – The owner of the largest trove of artifacts salvaged from the Titanic is putting the vast collection up for auction as a single lot in 2012, the 100^th anniversary of the world's most famous shipwreck.

More than 5,500 items including fine china, ship fittings and portions of hull that were recovered from the ocean liner have an estimated value of $189 million, according to Premier Exhibitions Inc., parent of RMS Titanic Inc. -- the Titanic's court-approved salvor. That value was based on a 2007 appraisal and does not include intellectual property gathered from a 2010 scientific expedition that mapped the wreck site.

The auction is scheduled for April 1 by Guernsey's, a New York City auction house, according to filings by Premier Exhibitions Inc. with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Results of the auction won't be announced until April 15, the date a century ago the Titanic sank on its maiden voyage after striking an iceberg.
The auction is subject to approval by a federal judge in Virginia whose jurisdiction for years has given oversight to legal issues governing the salvage of the Titanic. The Titanic treasures were amassed during seven perilous trips to the wreck, which rests about 2 ¹⁄₂ miles below the ocean surface in the North Atlantic.

A spokeswoman for the auction house and Premier Exhibitions declined Wednesday to discuss the auction with The Associated Press until a formal announcement in January.

The Titanic's sinking claimed the lives of more than 1,500 of the 2,228 passengers and crew. An international team led by oceanographer Robert Ballard located the wreckage in 1985, about 400 miles off Newfoundland, Canada.

U.S. District Judge Rebecca Beach Smith, who has overseen the case from her Norfolk courtroom, has ruled that RMS Titanic has title to the artifacts and was entitled to full compensation for them. She has not determined how RMS Titanic will be compensated.

Smith, a maritime jurist who has called the Titanic an "international treasure," has approved covenants and conditions that the company previously worked out with the federal government, including a prohibition against selling the collection piecemeal.

The conditions, which accompanied a 2010 ruling, also require RMS to make the artifacts available "to present and future generations for public display and exhibition, historical review, scientific and scholarly research, and educational purposes."

[Lady Cop]

They were the band who played on as the Titanic began to sink, but their instruments were thought to be long lost at the bottom of the ocean.

Experts now believe, however, they have now discovered the violin belonging to heroic Titanic band master Wallace Hartley.

Tests are taking place to establish whether the violin did belong to Mr Hartley, who perished along with the rest of his eight-man band when the doomed ship went down.The band leader was said to have been found with his violin strapped to his chest after the Titanic sank on April 15, 1912.

The owner said the band master's fiancee, Maria Robinson, was given the instrument after the Titanic tragedy 100 years ago.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1l3hNLQCC

[Lady Cop]

BATH, England – A menu of the last lunch served to first-class passengers onboard the Titanic is expected to sell for $157,960 at a UK auction.

The lunch menu, dated April 14, 1912, was on the table of passenger Dr. Washington Dodge, a banker from San Francisco who was traveling to the US with his wife, Ruth, and son, Washington Jr.

Ruth Dodge put the menu into her handbag, and it has remained with the family ever since she survived the tragedy after being put into one of the first lifeboats with her son. Her husband was saved by a Titanic steward, who pushed him into the 13^th lifeboat.

Their last lunch featured several courses, including egg, chicken, beef, grilled mutton chops, desserts and a selection of eight cheeses.

Auction house Henry Aldridge and Son, which claims to be the world's leading auctioneers of Titanic memorabilia, will put the menu on the block March 31 at the annual spring Titanic sale in Bath, southwestern England -- the 100^th anniversary of the ship's completion.

The Titanic -- on a voyage from Southampton, southern England to New York -- hit an iceberg and eventually sank in the northern Atlantic Ocean on April 15, 1912.

[Lady Cop]

i like to see this propaganda film.


It's the most bizarre telling of the Titanic story – a Nazi film overseen by Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels.

Titanic, conceived in 1940, was meant to depict Britain as a society ruled by greedy plutocrats.
Now the incredible full story of its making has finally come to light. Made on a vast budget equivalent to £100million today, the film was intended to boost German morale as the Nazis prepared for the invasion of Britain.

But like the doomed liner, the film itself met a calamitous end.

Never shown in Nazi Germany, its director was found hanged by his own braces (suspenders) and is suspected of having been murdered by the Gestapo.

And the ship that took the role of the Titanic, the Cap Arcona, was later sunk with 5,000 concentration camp prisoners on board, a vastly greater loss of life than the 1,517 who died in the Titanic disaster.

A new Channel 5 (UK) documentary, Nazi Titanic: Revealed, tells the story of the film using Goebbels’s private diaries and unseen home movies shot behind the scenes.
Goebbels demanded an 87-day shoot, the building of nine huge stages for interior filming in Berlin and a 30ft replica of the liner.
For exteriors, he insisted the Cap Arcona was taken to the Baltic naval base Gotenhafen. Vital military personnel were pulled from the front to act as extras.

Filming was delayed by fog, storms, a model ship which kept breaking down and director Herbert Selpin’s insistence on shooting the sinking at night. Soldiers hired as extras were often drunk and disruptive.

A frustrated Selpin launched a furious, expletive-filled outburst against German officers at a private dinner, which was quickly relayed to the Gestapo.

Sent to Berlin by Goebbels for interrogation, Selpin was found hanged in the basement of Gestapo HQ. The film was finally completed by another director.

It depicts Bruce Ismay, the managing director of the White Star Line, which owned the Titanic, as a callously greedy figure. In a fictitious scene Ismay boasts that the record-breaking maiden voyage will make him rich.

He tells the captain: ‘For arrival on schedule in New York I will pay you $5,000 and for every hour ahead of schedule another $1,000.’

Completed in 1942, it was far from the masterpiece Goebbels had waited two years to see. Fearing Nazi citizens under attack by Allied bombers would be frightened by the sinking, he banned its release in Germany, although it was shown in occupied Europe.

Near the end of the war the Cap Arcona was used to transport concentration camp prisoners. It was repainted as a troop carrier. Water, food and lifeboats were removed and it was filled with gas canisters. When, as the Germans predicted, the Allies sank it, just 350 of the 5,500 passengers survived.

Steven Luckert, of America’s National Holocaust Museum, says: ‘The film portrays the Titanic as a microcosm of British society, in which a small group endangers the safety of the vessel to reap financial reward. Its sinking is blamed on Britain’s corrupt ruling elite.’





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