A Serial Killer in NY

[Lady Cop]

On the East Coast I see fishermen with that type of bag. It makes me think of clams.

that's good Duchess!

[IMaDick]

I have some of the burlap bags that were used for that, they were potato sacks first though.

[WolfHouse]

My brothers' have them and they hold grain seed. Here is hoping they
can determine what the bags were used for and that they are all the
same.

[IMaDick]

Since I'm not familiar with the area, and the internet is all I have for research, from what I can find it appears that there are potato growers all through that area.

[Lady Cop]

this is a real departure IF it's the same guy. unusual as hell to go out of his preference/pattern.

NYPOST
One of the four sets of remains recently found on a remote New York beach belongs to a baby or a child -- not a grown woman, a law-enforcement source told the New York Post.

"One doesn't match the others. It's a young person, possibly as young as an infant, or a child," said the source, who is familiar with the investigation.

The remains are among eight sets found to date in the vicinity of Oak and Gilgo beaches off Ocean Parkway in Long Island.

Four of the sets -- all Craigslist hookers who disappeared after meeting a john for sex -- were found near each other in December. The discovery of the other four -- including the child's -- several miles away was revealed last week. Found within a half-mile of each other, they have yet to be identified.

[Cynical Ninja]

If it were left to some of the morons in this thread, this motherfucker would never get caught.

[IMaDick]

this is a real departure IF it's the same guy. unusual as hell to go out of his preference/pattern.

NYPOST
One of the four sets of remains recently found on a remote New York beach belongs to a baby or a child -- not a grown woman, a law-enforcement source told the New York Post.

"One doesn't match the others. It's a young person, possibly as young as an infant, or a child," said the source, who is familiar with the investigation.

The remains are among eight sets found to date in the vicinity of Oak and Gilgo beaches off Ocean Parkway in Long Island.

Four of the sets -- all Craigslist hookers who disappeared after meeting a john for sex -- were found near each other in December. The discovery of the other four -- including the child's -- several miles away was revealed last week. Found within a half-mile of each other, they have yet to be identified.

I would bet at some point if DNA can be had, the child will match up to one of the adult victims.

[Lady Cop]

quite the dumping ground this guy has maintained.

NYPOST:

The Long Island body count has grown again.

Cops have found a ninth set of human remains -- inclusing a skull -- on the Nassau County side of a remote barrier island where eight decomposed bodies have been discovered since December, a source told The Post this afternoon.

"They are human remains. It’s not a complete body, they are partial human remains," the source said, providing no other details.

Investigators also said they found a human skull as part of a second set of human remains.



Thanks for article Wolf~

[Lady Cop]

police say some may have been dismembered.

NYPOST
Cops scouring a Long Island beach-turned-graveyard found another set of grisly remains yesterday -- a human skull and torso that were at least a mile apart and might belong to the same body.

"It could be number nine, or it could be number 10, we don't know yet," a source told The Post, in regard to the increasing body count, which could be the work of a serial killer.

A State Police officer with a cadaver dog found the torso at 11:30 a.m. in Nassau County, five to six miles west of where eight other decomposed bodies have been found in Suffolk County since December, said State Police Capt. James Dewar.
GRIM TASK: A State Police officer yesterday examines an object found near Jones Beach during the painstaking search for bodies.

Four hours later, a Nassau cop found bones in the JFK Bird and Wildlife Sanctuary at least a mile east of the torso.

"It appears to be a skull," Nassau Detective Lt. Kevin Smith said of the second find. "It's all been very startling. We have a lot of work to do."

The bones were taken to the Nassau County Medical Examiner's Office.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/th_bo...z1JJYoNcBm

[Lady Cop]

it seems the latest remains found may be old and predate the current killer's work.

An unnamed source told the New York Post that the remains -- reportedly a torso and human skull -- could be victims of convicted serial killer Joel Rifkin, who confessed in 1993 to killing 17 prostitutes and is serving a life sentence in upstate New York. Rifkin was convicted in nine of the deaths, but three of his victims were never found.

"These are so old that roots were growing around the vertebrae and the skull," the source told the newspaper. "These could be one or two of Joel Rifkin's victims who were never found."



rifkin--->

[Lady Cop]

NYDailyNews...such a rag!

Members of an Internet sex forum hatched a "revenge" plot against a Long Island hooker who was later murdered and dumped in a serial killer's burial ground, the Daily News has learned.

Talk on longislanderotic.com shows members were outraged when one of their cronies claimed he had paid Amber Lynn Costello $200 for sex, only to be robbed by men who barged into her West Babylon home.

"Tell her we are all coming over there with baseball bats," threatened one member, a self-declared ex-con known as "Morrie."

That ominous threat, and more to follow, has opened a window on what probers say is a virtually unregulated sex network of johns, hookers and escort services.

"The Internet has really become a highway for criminality," said Eugene O'Donnell, a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "In terms of prostitution, it's moved a pretty public enterprise into the shadows more than ever, and made it more difficult for law enforcement to get a handle on it."

Investigators would not say if any of the online johns are suspects in the probe of a possible serial killer who dumped as many as 10 bodies along Gilgo Beach and Jones Beach. Still, law enforcement sources say the chilling online thread is the type of internet-based sex crime that attracted the FBI to the case.

The four victims found in December - Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy and Megan Waterman, in addition to Costello - were craigslist hookers. All had been strangled and stuffed in burlap sacks. The bodies of a woman, a man, a child and an adult whose gender hasn't been determined were found between March 29 and April 4. Two sets of unidentified remains were found on Monday.

A message board member known as "Humiliatrix69" first raged on July 11, 2010, about getting "suckered" by Costello and company hours earlier.

Shortly after, a pal called "italyrider" asked for her address: "No one from this board needs to be involved. I have friends who can take care of this s---."

Humiliatrix69 posted Costello's address, a description of her home, and her phone number. Three days days later, Morrie chimed in: "A friend of ours told me today that 'You won't hear from those 2 girls anymore!'"

Costello, a twice-divorced drug addict, disappeared on Sept. 2, 2010. That was eight weeks after Humiliatrix69 aired his anger on the message board — and posted raunchy pictures of her from her sex ad on newyorkbackpage.com.

[Lady Cop]

FOX
HAUPPAUGE, N.Y. -- Human remains that have been found along a New York beach highway -- including the head of a prostitute whose torso was dumped 40 miles away in 2003 -- are the work of at least two killers, a prosecutor said Monday.

The head and hands of 20-year-old Jessica Taylor were among 10 sets of remains found in recent months along a Long Island highway, Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota said at a news conference.

Her headless, handless body was found in July 2003 in Manorville near the eastern end of Long Island.

The information Spota disclosed Monday only served to deepen the puzzle about the remains found in the underbrush along Long Island's Ocean Parkway since December.

Authorities still have not identified a suspect connected to any of the remains, but earlier they theorized that investigators could be on the trail of a serial killer.

Eight sets of remains were found in Suffolk County. Two sets were found in neighboring Nassau County.

Spota said at least two suspects killed the eight people whose remains have been found in his jurisdiction, judging from the methods and circumstances of the crimes.

"It is clear that the area in and around Gilgo Beach has been used to discard human remains for some period of time," Spota said. "As distasteful and disturbing as that is, there is no evidence that all of these remains are the work of a single killer."

[soothsayer]

Some will be from serial killers. Some from mob hits? Some random (like the baby, maybe). Nice and remote and easy to dig in the sand = attractive dumping ground, I'd think.

[Lady Cop]

they are not the sole focus, but

NYPOST

Two NYPD cops are being eyed in the Long Island serial slayings after investigators learned they got into trouble for hiring prostitutes while working for the department, according to sources familiar with the probe.

One cop was forced out of the job in the 1990s when his supervisors learned he spent time pursuing hookers and paying street walkers and down-and-out women for sex while he was supposed to be on patrol.

An internal investigation led to his resigning under pressure, one source said.

The other officer still works for the NYPD but was stripped of his gun and badge years ago because he allegedly assaulted a prostitute and got arrested during a sting operation.

The woman complained to police supervisors about the officer but no criminal charges were filed and an internal probe went nowhere, sources said.

The patrolman was allowed to return to the force, they said, though he was placed on modified duty -- transferred to a paper-pushing job in Manhattan where he's not allowed to make arrests or respond to emergencies.

"They couldn't prove anything, but they didn't trust him," said one source.

It's unclear if the disgraced cops know each other or what evidence investigators might have against them in the serial murders.

The Suffolk County Police Department would not comment for this story, and prosecutors did not return messages.

Sources said Suffolk County detectives began looking at the NYPD cops last month after determining the killer likely worked in law enforcement or was familiar with police techniques.

They've focused on how the murderer abducted his victims and if he used insider knowledge to avoid being detected.

[soothsayer]

They found the cell phone and jeans of that original missing woman, Shannan Gilbert. They still think she ran off into a swampy, marshy area and drowned.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/07...l?ir=Crime

OAK BEACH, N.Y. — Clothing and other items belonging to a missing New Jersey prostitute whose disappearance helped spark an investigation into a possible serial killing spree on New York's Long Island have been recovered near where the woman was last seen 18 months ago, police said Wednesday.

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said officers have not found any remains of 24-year-old Shannan Gilbert, who they think drowned, but said the search would resume on Thursday.

"If it wasn't for Shannan Gilbert's disappearance we may never have found the remains of the other victims," Dormer told reporters at a news conference.

Police were looking for the Jersey City, N.J., woman last December when they stumbled upon what would eventually become 10 sets of human remains in the underbrush along a beach highway on a barrier island south of Long Island. Dormer and other police officials said they do not believe the deaths of the 10 people, mostly women linked to the sex trade, and Gilbert's disappearance are related.

Detectives on Tuesday and Wednesday found the woman's pocketbook with a photo ID inside, her jeans and shoes, as well as a cellphone they believe she owned. They think she drowned after becoming upset for an unexplained reason.

"It's very easy to get engulfed with water, muck, and fall down and not be able to get out of there," Dormer said. "We surmise that's what happened to Shannan and she's in there some place and we're going to do everything we can to find her."

In a telephone interview with Newsday, Gilbert's mom, Mari Cox Gilbert of Ellenville, N.Y., said she watched the news conference on television.

"I am still doubtful," Gilbert told the newspaper. "I need to see the items for myself to believe it."

MORE AT THE LINK

[soothsayer]

And then there's this unrelated (so far) case where a guy dumped ANOTHER craig's list prostitute in the same area. Jeezus.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/11/1...der-trial/

A man pulls out of a tiny church parking lot sandwiched between homes on a residential street in Bay Shore. It’s a warm Wednesday evening in late March 2010 and he has a woman with him. He doesn’t want to be seen with her. He has a girlfriend. They live together. He is driving her car.

They join the rush hour traffic of Sunrise highway and head east to Patchogue. It’s where the man’s mother used to live. She’s in jail now and the house should be empty. But as he turns the corner, he sees his brother outside talking with a friend. He panics and speeds up, hoping his brother doesn’t see him pass by.

The woman in his car isn’t his girlfriend. She also isn’t breathing.

She’s 26-year-old Jennifer Papain of North Patchogue and just an hour earlier she agreed to meet 22-year-old Chad Johnson of Medford for sex before he sped down Narragansett Avenue with her body on the backseat floor, according to more than three weeks of testimony and related court documentation being presented at Johnson’s ongoing murder trial at Suffolk County Criminal Court in Riverhead.

Two months later detectives would find Papain buried in a shallow grave, just steps into the woods off the Long Island Expressway, her toes sticking out from under a pile of dirt and leaves.

There are still faded pink marks on the trees leading to the gravesite, spray painted by homicide detectives the night cadaver dogs led them to her body—just a bend in the road out of view of Johnson’s home. The crude, 2-foot-deep hole is still there, filled with weeds and mushrooms.

Papain’s story is similar to those of Megan Waterman, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Amber Lynn Costello and Melissa Barthelemy—the four missing young women whose bodies were found in the roadside brush near Gilgo Beach seven months later. Like these women, Papain had advertised sexual services on the Internet, disappeared while meeting a client, was discovered strangled to death only steps away from a busy highway and faded orange markings in the road still point to where her body was recovered. But in Papain’s case police believe they have her killer.

After giving a written confession, in which he details the above events and how he allegedly killed Papain, Johnson has pleaded not guilty to her murder, now alleging the admission was coerced. As the prosecution continues to present its case as of press time, more and more details—as well as questions—about exactly what happened that day, and throughout the two months Papain was missing, are slowly emerging.

MUCH MORE at link

[Lady Cop]

Fox

OAK BEACH, N.Y. – DEVELOPING: Investigators say they've recovered what appear to be the remains of a missing prostitute in a coastal marsh on New York's Long Island.

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Police Commissioner Richard Dormer says investigators looking for the body of Shannon Gilbert of Jersey City, N.J., discovered skeletal remains at around 9:15 a.m. Tuesday in a dense thicket.

He says authorities believe it is Gilbert's corpse.

Police began searching for the 24-year-old last December when they came upon the first of what would become 10 homicide victims' remains. They were strewn along several miles of thicket along a parkway leading to Jones Beach.

Police believe a serial killer is responsible for those deaths. They think Gilbert may have drowned accidentally while fleeing a client's home for an unclear reason.

The remains were found in the same area.

[Lady Cop]

12/17

CBS
48 Hours Mystery
Episode: Long Island Serial Killer
NEW

Authorities investigate a major break in a case involving a serial killer in New York's Long Island.

10:00 - 11:00 PM eastern

[JsMom]

Very Interesting...I can't wait for more info.

[JsMom]

I love that show