Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[shitstorm]

sorry Tiff but I dont believe you..I just dont believe you......

You've said that. On what basis do you not believe her?



Tiffany, if you're still reading, I hope you stay and talk. Some will believe you, some won't, and some are just observing w/o arriving at any conclusions. I'm sure you know that.

[jash]

Tiff...is the plastic bag over the head something that is talked about? Is there a movie, or song, or whatever that your age group relates to this? Some people have mentioned movies and video games that glorify this. Do you know of any that do, or that are played or watched?

Also, do you know what kind of plastic bags were used? Grocery plastic bags, saran wrap type of bags?

[Jane]

Tiffany, I had asked you:

When was the time , before the night before the murders, when you were at the Straubs house, and who else was there then? Were Lisa's parents around?

good luck. i'm getting ignored too.
i'm sure it was overwhelming for her to field this.

lol, I think she's overwhelmed also. I know I was at first, & I've probably missed all sorts of posts, along the way, & I'm NOT entwined in an investigation!

[Love Hippos]

This is the point I'm obviously having trouble conveying. The stories don't jive...at least the part about when Tiffany tried to get back in touch with Johnny. She mentioned to us/Miranda she WAITED AN HOUR after she hung up with Johnny because he told her he'd call her back, yet she relayed to the 911 dispatcher that she called him back IMMEDIATELY after hearing him yelling at someone.

see now..is this true verbatim from 911? Or is it confused again? She told us here they talked, hung up, she called him back immediately to tell him she would meet him at the house and thatis when she heard the guy and he said, tif, i'll call you back. Then she waited an hour...see? I think the story is actually the same, and 911 call was confusion more than a "different story"...at least, that's what I'm starting to think. Throw Maytee into the mix and all hell breaks loose.

Yes, Zerospheres posted the 911 convo Tiffany (not Maytee) had with the dispatcher. To me, calling someone back immediately because your concerned with your friend's welfare is very different from waiting an hour because you have no reason to worry since your friend said he'd call back. I don't consider it a slip of the tongue or a slight twist to what happened. I see it as a change in the story.

[Jane]

sorry Tiff but I dont believe you..I just dont believe you......

You've said that. On what basis do you not believe her?



Tiffany, if you're still reading, I hope you stay and talk. Some will believe you, some won't, and some are just observing w/o arriving at any conclusions. I'm sure you know that.

I think it's great she's here. Surely no one here would intentionally try to run her off

[Methusala]

Tiffany, I had asked you:

When was the time , before the night before the murders, when you were at the Straubs house, and who else was there then? Were Lisa's parents around?

i was there a couple nights before and no her parents were not home.and it was me jc ls and the minor friend.

Thank you Tiffany. Also, did you ever hear talk about there being a safe at the Straub house? Did Johnny or anyone else you heard at any time mention there was a safe there?

[tiffwill123]

Tiff...is the plastic bag over the head something that is talked about? Is there a movie, or song, or whatever that your age group relates to this? Some people have mentioned movies and video games that glorify this. Do you know of any that do, or that are played or watched?

Also, do you know what kind of plastic bags were used? Grocery plastic bags, saran wrap type of bags?

i do not kno about any of this.

[doing40thisyear]

sorry Tiff but I dont believe you..I just dont believe you......

You've said that. On what basis do you not believe her?



Tiffany, if you're still reading, I hope you stay and talk. Some will believe you, some won't, and some are just observing w/o arriving at any conclusions. I'm sure you know that.

you ask what basis do I not believe her....rap sheet for one and the company she keeps. And look did she think everyone was going to believe her..I for one dont, ok. I am entitled to my opinion.

[tiffwill123]

Tiffany, I had asked you:

When was the time , before the night before the murders, when you were at the Straubs house, and who else was there then? Were Lisa's parents around?

i was there a couple nights before and no her parents were not home.and it was me jc ls and the minor friend.

Thank you Tiffany. Also, did you ever hear talk about there being a safe at the Straub house? Did Johnny or anyone else you heard at any time mention there was a safe there?

no i never heard of a safe being in the house at all.and no johnny never said anything about a safe.

[jash]

i do not kno about any of this

Thanks...

Tiff...did lisa ever talk about her ex, or did you know of him or of him being all stalker on her?

[shitstorm]

Tiffany, I was also wondering if you have EVER heard of the method of murder that Lisa & Johnny died from - being suffocated by plastic bags. It's pretty out of the ordinary. Same for binding people up with tape because that requires a hands on struggle or fight. Can you think of anyone who has talked about killing someone like that? If so, I would understand not saying their name/s here but it would be important to tell the cops.

Tiffany, I wanted to re-post this in case you missed it (I know there are lots of questions).

Also, who is Sherita/Serita, the person that Maytee said you called?

[doing40thisyear]

Im not trying to run her off, I am entitled to my opinion..she can stay and tell all her story.. I however questioned it. And by how she gets mad because someone doesnt believe her.... well that speaks volumes, doesnt it.

[RJs-Ex]

TiffWill123 - Wow, I'm impressed that you're on here and answering questions. Hearing your side of the story does make me re-think my opinion of what might've happened to Johnny & Lisa. So, thank you for that.

Do you think the killers were still in the house when you went there the first time and knocked on the door/rang the bell? And what were you thinking - out playing detective and shit when you're pregnant? Who knows what kinda shit you could've walked up on - know what I'm saying? In the future, just keep yourself SAFE first, ok? :-)

[tiffwill123]

i do not kno about any of this

Thanks...

Tiff...did lisa ever talk about her ex, or did you know of him or of him being all stalker on her?

lisa never talked about her ex.she was always with johnny.even if she wanted to she never had the chance to johnny was always by her side unless she was at work.

[Jane]

Tiffany, I had asked you:

When was the time , before the night before the murders, when you were at the Straubs house, and who else was there then? Were Lisa's parents around?

i was there a couple nights before and no her parents were not home.and it was me jc ls and the minor friend.

Thank you Tiffany. Also, did you ever hear talk about there being a safe at the Straub house? Did Johnny or anyone else you heard at any time mention there was a safe there?

no i never heard of a safe being in the house at all.and no johnny never said anything about a safe.

Do you think this may be gang related?

[eye.of.my]

If this is the first time you met her why would she throw accusations at you personally?

[tiffwill123]

Tiffany, I was also wondering if you have EVER heard of the method of murder that Lisa & Johnny died from - being suffocated by plastic bags. It's pretty out of the ordinary. Same for binding people up with tape because that requires a hands on struggle or fight. Can you think of anyone who has talked about killing someone like that? If so, I would understand not saying their name/s here but it would be important to tell the cops.

Tiffany, I wanted to re-post this in case you missed it (I know there are lots of questions).

Also, who is Sherita/Serita, the person that Maytee said you called?

i called sharita.she is a friend of mine but her boyfriend is johnnys best friend.

[jash]

lisa never talked about her ex.she was always with johnny.even if she wanted to she never had the chance to johnny was always by her side unless she was at work

Now this is very interesting. The way you state this infers that JC might have been controlling at best. Did they have a good relationship or was he "controlling" towards her?

[tiffwill123]

Im not trying to run her off, I am entitled to my opinion..she can stay and tell all her story.. I however questioned it. And by how she gets mad because someone doesnt believe her.... well that speaks volumes, doesnt it.

im not getting mad for someone not believing me.im just letting everyone know i did not get on here to argue with anyone.

[Jane]

Im not trying to run her off, I am entitled to my opinion..she can stay and tell all her story.. I however questioned it. And by how she gets mad because someone doesnt believe her.... well that speaks volumes, doesnt it.

I'm sorry, I know that. I just don't want her to leave! I find this fascinating, & am glad she decided to speak up, here at this forum, & not somewhere else