Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Nina]

Kitty, sorry if I insulted you. Maybe this is where they got it from:

Post #11046, Pg 789: Kitty1 said "The source of the vent info is from me. I am related to the person who went over when crime cleanup was done. It is fact!!!!"

When the crime scene people came to the Straubs a family representative was present. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Thanks Nina

OK, i was just repeating what someone that claims to know told me. Again, I don't know this person so I have no way of knowing if what they are telling me is true.

[Nina]

This might be why we don't have an arrest yet. Maybe they really don't have the DNA back.
Read the article publish in the toledo blade
http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2011/03...-time.html

This can not be accurate. I have seen them solve it in 2 days with DNA on CSI! ha ha

[truth be told]

Yes, that is what Maytee believes. But, what if it really isn't AG and TW making pages? I mean, anyone can make a facebook page and say they are someone else. It only takes 3 minutes.

Exactly! I mean does anyone really believe that these AG and TW would actually further incriminate themselves. They are already under the microscope by cops (that would be considered brain dead). If they are really creating different accounts to mess with Maytee, detectives can figure that one out quickly. What if Maytee is the one who is actually posing as someone else and posting on her own site to try and throw cops off? (IMO-this would not be far fetched for her way of thinking.)
Maybe, just maybe it is possible that those two (AG and TW) could be the perfect alibi for this crimes because of their known past history.

I think the one thing everyone on this forum has in common is that we all want justice for Johnny and Lisa, and want the murderers caught and punished. Beyond that, we're entitled to our own opinions about what happened that night and who's responsible, and some of us have quite strong feelings one way or the other.

I respectfully have to disagree with you here, however, when you suggest that Maytee would be creating online identities and arguing with herself on FB to throw LE off the scent! This then feeds into your theory, which you've stated openly here all along, that she was somehow involved in her son's death, and I do not for one second believe she was.

I think AP and TW are really aggrieved that Maytee is drawing attention to them when they might have thought they'd covered their tracks well enough to avoid suspicion. IMO they're going on FB to defend themselves from Maytee's accusations and turn suspicion back onto her. It was only when she blocked them from her page that they created new identities so they could continue to comment.

It's not just AP and TW's past history that makes them logical suspects, but a whole combination of factors already well covered.

You have that right to dis-agree with my opinion...that just clearly states that you don't personally know her and know the evil comes along with her. I have personally known her for a very long time and have seen the destruction that she has caused to her family, friends and neighbors. Since you probably don't know her then I doubt that you witnessed car loads of people coming and going to and from her house buying drugs daily...and in the summertime you probably missed the huge crowd of teens smoking pot in front of her house, on her porch and in her back yard....and where was Maytee? right there in the middle of it all.
I will back my theory 100% based on how I have personally seen her act with absolutely no regard for human life other than herself. I believe Maytee "knows" more than she is telling police and she is beginning to panic and will slip. Taking on another persona is not that far fetched...because she has done it in the past, used family and friends identity to avoid going to jail or paying bills.

[kitty1]

LC, I wasn't asking that you verify anyone, I just remembered you saying that you had verified someone early on - it was Unknown. sorry

kitty just sometimes posts vague third-party type info or tends to post her opinion as fact, when it is not, For example:
kitty1 said:
the tapes never indicated that she blcked tif in or that tif met her there also she never requested medical help for herself!!!! i know the immediate family this stuff didnt happen

Posted Thursday, February 3, 2011, at 10:55 pm on TCR

I believe that info IS true, per the 911 calls.

I just wish people would not state rumors or opinions as fact. I chat up some of the people mentioned on FB but I don't know them, so I try not to post what they tell me on here because it may not be true and i don't want to muddy the waters.





Just for the record, Maytee on Justice WILL last night:
Maytee: Im sorry i dont want to offend anyone but i know for a fact that neither the straub family or the clarke family take any parts or post on any web sights besides our own facebook pages and the lisa reward fund page set up for her by her uncle. Thanks just wanted to set the record straight.

Quite a while back I corrected myself regarding the 911 call. I got that info from a family member. Neither of us had heard the entire call and he spoke too soon(and I typed too soon). Other than that comment, I believe that I usually preface my comments with "I spoke to family today, etc." Sometimes I think I must forget to state that I am family. I guess I assume that most regular posters are familiar with other posters so I don't qualify myself each time. If I have an opinion or rumor, I believe that I usually state it as such. BTW, Maytee IS NOT in contact with our family so she does not know if we are posting or not. I don't wan't to turn this into a tug- o- war. I am on this site for several reasons and none of them are to tease or impersonate. I think that would be horribly cruel (and strange) for someone to come on here (or any site for that matter) and pretend to be a family member of a murdered young girl.

[JsMom]

Yes, that is what Maytee believes. But, what if it really isn't AG and TW making pages? I mean, anyone can make a facebook page and say they are someone else. It only takes 3 minutes.

Exactly! I mean does anyone really believe that these AG and TW would actually further incriminate themselves. They are already under the microscope by cops (that would be considered brain dead). If they are really creating different accounts to mess with Maytee, detectives can figure that one out quickly. What if Maytee is the one who is actually posing as someone else and posting on her own site to try and throw cops off? (IMO-this would not be far fetched for her way of thinking.)
Maybe, just maybe it is possible that those two (AG and TW) could be the perfect alibi for this crimes because of their known past history.

I think the one thing everyone on this forum has in common is that we all want justice for Johnny and Lisa, and want the murderers caught and punished. Beyond that, we're entitled to our own opinions about what happened that night and who's responsible, and some of us have quite strong feelings one way or the other.

I respectfully have to disagree with you here, however, when you suggest that Maytee would be creating online identities and arguing with herself on FB to throw LE off the scent! This then feeds into your theory, which you've stated openly here all along, that she was somehow involved in her son's death, and I do not for one second believe she was.

I think AP and TW are really aggrieved that Maytee is drawing attention to them when they might have thought they'd covered their tracks well enough to avoid suspicion. IMO they're going on FB to defend themselves from Maytee's accusations and turn suspicion back onto her. It was only when she blocked them from her page that they created new identities so they could continue to comment.

It's not just AP and TW's past history that makes them logical suspects, but a whole combination of factors already well covered.

You have that right to dis-agree with my opinion...that just clearly states that you don't personally know her and know the evil comes along with her. I have personally known her for a very long time and have seen the destruction that she has caused to her family, friends and neighbors. Since you probably don't know her then I doubt that you witnessed car loads of people coming and going to and from her house buying drugs daily...and in the summertime you probably missed the huge crowd of teens smoking pot in front of her house, on her porch and in her back yard....and where was Maytee? right there in the middle of it all.
I will back my theory 100% based on how I have personally seen her act with absolutely no regard for human life other than herself. I believe Maytee "knows" more than she is telling police and she is beginning to panic and will slip. Taking on another persona is not that far fetched...because she has done it in the past, used family and friends identity to avoid going to jail or paying bills.

gasps~WOW!!

[Freshbait78]

You have that right to dis-agree with my opinion...that just clearly states that you don't personally know her and know the evil comes along with her. I have personally known her for a very long time and have seen the destruction that she has caused to her family, friends and neighbors. Since you probably don't know her then I doubt that you witnessed car loads of people coming and going to and from her house buying drugs daily...and in the summertime you probably missed the huge crowd of teens smoking pot in front of her house, on her porch and in her back yard....and where was Maytee? right there in the middle of it all.
I will back my theory 100% based on how I have personally seen her act with absolutely no regard for human life other than herself. I believe Maytee "knows" more than she is telling police and she is beginning to panic and will slip. Taking on another persona is not that far fetched...because she has done it in the past, used family and friends identity to avoid going to jail or paying bills.

Hi, do you have a theory as to why Maytee would participate/contract someone to kill her son & Lisa OR to withhold important information in the case that would prevent these murderers being brought to justice?

I have some other thoughts but I will wait until I get a reply to my question. Thanks

[onefortheroad]

You have that right to dis-agree with my opinion...that just clearly states that you don't personally know her and know the evil comes along with her. I have personally known her for a very long time and have seen the destruction that she has caused to her family, friends and neighbors. Since you probably don't know her then I doubt that you witnessed car loads of people coming and going to and from her house buying drugs daily...and in the summertime you probably missed the huge crowd of teens smoking pot in front of her house, on her porch and in her back yard....and where was Maytee? right there in the middle of it all.
I will back my theory 100% based on how I have personally seen her act with absolutely no regard for human life other than herself. I believe Maytee "knows" more than she is telling police and she is beginning to panic and will slip. Taking on another persona is not that far fetched...because she has done it in the past, used family and friends identity to avoid going to jail or paying bills.

You're right that I don't know Maytee personally, although one of the reasons I was drawn to this case initially was that I could relate to the desperation of a mother calling 911 when she couldn't reach her son and the terrible scene that a father had to discover.

I'm sure she's talked to LE and it's possible her information will help them solve the crime. For all we know, her knowledge of Johnny's history and interaction with some of the key suspects (e.g. those he served time with) may provide important pieces of the puzzle. Sometimes it's little things a person knows that don't seem all that important but can be the crucial piece of evidence.

[sharit]

[Gonzojoe]

page pleez

[Adub]

page pleez

So has anyone seen VDs new tatoo? FB has a photo of it. And Maytee comments.

By the way, I think this page turning is getting out of control. All you have to do is post a reply

[Lady Cop]

i agree. i have had to PM people about wasting 3 and 4 posts in a row on page-turning. it is not necessary. the page will turn when someone posts.

[LVShortySpice]

Yes, that is what Maytee believes. But, what if it really isn't AG and TW making pages? I mean, anyone can make a facebook page and say they are someone else. It only takes 3 minutes.

Exactly! I mean does anyone really believe that these AG and TW would actually further incriminate themselves. They are already under the microscope by cops (that would be considered brain dead). If they are really creating different accounts to mess with Maytee, detectives can figure that one out quickly. What if Maytee is the one who is actually posing as someone else and posting on her own site to try and throw cops off? (IMO-this would not be far fetched for her way of thinking.)
Maybe, just maybe it is possible that those two (AG and TW) could be the perfect alibi for this crimes because of their known past history.

I think the one thing everyone on this forum has in common is that we all want justice for Johnny and Lisa, and want the murderers caught and punished. Beyond that, we're entitled to our own opinions about what happened that night and who's responsible, and some of us have quite strong feelings one way or the other.

I respectfully have to disagree with you here, however, when you suggest that Maytee would be creating online identities and arguing with herself on FB to throw LE off the scent! This then feeds into your theory, which you've stated openly here all along, that she was somehow involved in her son's death, and I do not for one second believe she was.

I think AP and TW are really aggrieved that Maytee is drawing attention to them when they might have thought they'd covered their tracks well enough to avoid suspicion. IMO they're going on FB to defend themselves from Maytee's accusations and turn suspicion back onto her. It was only when she blocked them from her page that they created new identities so they could continue to comment.

It's not just AP and TW's past history that makes them logical suspects, but a whole combination of factors already well covered.

I love you onefortheroad I appreciate your honest perspective and there’s several things you eloquently pointed out that I totally agree with…

1. A’s comments are disturbing (IMO…brutal & sadistic in nature)
2. So much jealousy going on with all these people (IMO especially with TW)

Lastly, I too believe that TW knows EXACTLY what happened the night of the murders and whether she participated or arranged it IS till out for LE & a jury to decide. One thing is for sure, as time goes on at least we can get a better idea of all these dirt bags true feelings of one another. IMO…just saying.

[d505]

CSI is a television series not reality.

[NightOwl]

Missed my fellow Mockers...can't wait to catch up...hope there has been some arrests...I was SO glad to see Maytee knows now we are (most of us) nice folks wanting justice for her beautiful and precious son and darling Lisa...

to that

Where is Zerospheres & little Vel, Jane? SS is taking a break hope WolfHouse will be on shortly and Kitty1 is back on glad of that - yes JsMom you miss the Mockers (very nice post)

[JsMom]

'NightOwl'

Where is Zerospheres & little Vel, Jane? SS is taking a break hope WolfHouse will be on shortly and Kitty1 is back on glad of that - yes JsMom you miss the Mockers (very nice post)

Yah Where Are ALL Our MotherMockers At? Vel, might still be in the hood sniffin around lookin for clues!:B Its Been Soooo I feel Im gettin :wheelchair: waitin on ARRESTS!!!

[NightOwl]

page pleez

So has anyone seen VDs new tatoo? FB has a photo of it. And Maytee comments.

By the way, I think this page turning is getting out of control. All you have to do is post a reply

Just checked VDs tattoo out all down his left arm Wow that is sure something! He had to LOVE Johnny! there were a series of photographs a New Years Eve one with VD & BA - I think thats TW with her back to us and the fellow JB that moved away - I noticed him in several pictures with Lisa. Thanks much Adub for post.

[Wish.I.was.a.P.I]

Regarding the Tattoo that VD got, I know Maytee posted a picture of it but I could have sworn she said "Look at the tattoo T got"..or something like that but my point is, she used the name T?? Is VD also T?

Another thing I just want to say is that I've seen a few comments about how people think that Maytee may know more than she leads on. When I read that, I don't think that statement is also saying that they think Maytee killed her had anything to do with the killing of her son and Lisa. Please don't jump to conclusions when people post that they think Maytee may know more. I think she may know more but that doesn't mean I think she had anything to do with having her son murdered. Do I think she'd have the Straub house robbed, or have given somone information about the Straub house to be robbed, yes, but that doesn't mean I think she had her son killed by any means. Just my opinion.

[Duchess]

CSI is a television series not reality.

You really didn't see that post as tongue in cheek?

[Nina]

CSI is a television series not reality.

That was a joke.

[DickTracy]

Regarding the Tattoo that VD got, I know Maytee posted a picture of it but I could have sworn she said "Look at the tattoo T got"..or something like that but my point is, she used the name T?? Is VD also T?

I thought that too at first. They both have the same tattoo. { Maytee La Cubana Vazquez Did you get one??? Thats the same one t got ;,,,,((( }