Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[pplrcrazy]

In the line of work I do I deal with people who take pain meds for surgeries and so forth and Im telling you now she is taking them for her own personal pleasure, I can tell by the way she acts on interviews and why she wears those sun glass' and slurs and talks slowly and not to mention, they way she constatnly repeats her self alll of the time! She knew what Johnny and Lisa were in to and what kind of life they were living, thats why she was in a panic so fast right from the beggining and thats why she is accusing their so called "friends".. I heard a while back on a blog site that there was "rumor" that maytee owed some people some money and when they came to collect it she told them that her son Johnny had the money and before she could get ahold of johnny and tell him to leave their house it was too late.. I know this is hear say but I believe IMO that theres some truth to this and thats possibly why she is so dead set on TW and AG and or calling the police for answers every 5 mins.. Maybe she feels guilty and she is trying to cover it up, as I have said before, her behavior is odd for a grieving mother and she almost acts as if she has something to hide.... Sorry for the typos... Im rushing through this...

[ZEROSPHERES]

I asked question on previous post and wondered whether anyone has
considered that Johnny was given drugs by someone in his family (to sell
and/or use). Is this way out in left field?
Also asked before if anyone knew whether Johnny had every abused
women (based on the story of him hitting Lisa's mgirlfriend/roommate in
the stomach).
This is no way intended to blame the victims, but sadly the lives of the
victims are scrunitized with a fine tooth comb.

To your first question, it's a possibility as we don't know for sure where his drugs came from. As to Johnny possibly abusing women, I'd find that surprising. By all accounts, he was a funny, friendly, outgoing guy, and was very close to his mother, which just doesn't sound to me like someone that would hurt women. I remember reading about him hitting some girl in the stomach, but have no idea if that's true.

Here is that post 1653 that may help clarify the rumours....


I have been creeping on this forum for days, and decided to put in the little bit that I know.
I met Lisa when I was a freshman in high school. She truly was the girl that I wanted to be. She was bold, had many friends, she was very pretty, and was known as a bit of a party girl.
Though I lost contact with her over the years, she wasnt completely out of my life, as she lived with one of my best friends up until November/December. (I wanna say late November but I'm not certain)
So Lisa was living with my good friend, E. They had been best friends since grade school and got an apartment together. E soon came to have problems with Johnny, who, as many have speculated, was a sketchy drug dealer. Maytee was very, very wrong when she said her son had no enemies.
E often complained about Johnny showing up at the apartment, uninvited, even when Lisa wasn't home, often bringing his "sketchy" friends. Eventually, she told Lisa that Johnny wasn't allowed over anymore.
There was an incident which resulted in the two girls terminating their lease, which is when Lisa returned to live with her parents in Holland. Johnny had showed up, though not allowed. Somehow an argument broke out between him and E. She told him he needed to leave and he punched her in the stomach. Now E is a 100 pound girl, but she said that he punched her so hard that it took her a minute to be able to steady herself and catch her breath. Johnny then left, the girls put the chain lock on, and he tried to get back in. When he gave up, he slammed the door so hard that it jammed into the frame, and E's dad had to come take it off the hinges in order to let them out of the apartment.
Love Lisa, but she stood up for Johnny and E couldn't hang with it anymore, so they broke off their lease.

E isn't the only one of Lisa's friends that didn't want to be around Johnny. From what it seems of my friends that remained in contact with her, most of the people she hung out with were his friends. Alot of her more "tactful" friends didn't want to see her when he was around. And he came around whenever he pleased.

[NightOwl]

Night Owl, I know~~~~~~~~~I thought it strange noone was interested in that post. It was way back in the beginning~~~~
The poster said Lisa and her roommate (S xxx rings a bell but not sure)
were moving out of apartment and in the process, it is alleged that
Johnny hit roommate in stomach. Pretty sure I didn't dream this!

Hurry and change the name to S before Lady Cop spots it. Thanks!

[ZEROSPHERES]

The reason I have a problem with Unknowns account is because of this.... Did John Sr & TW ever leave the Straubs between 911 call one & 911 call 2? The 1^st 911 call by Maytee was at 1:20, in that phone call she says that TW came & picked up John Sr & they were on their way to the Straubs. The 2^nd 911 call Maytee herself is on her way to the Straubs with her military cousin, she arrives there & this is when she blocks in TWs car & confronts her with "I think you set up my son" She also says on the 2^nd 911 call that the police were just there & did nothing & she wants to know where her son is yadda yadda.

I see your point....I mistrust TW because of inconsistancies that have been in her answers here on 'Mock' and Unknown was getting second hand info so that is problematic....I have already stated that I don't buy it, that the perps stayed so long and you have helped reinforce that ....thanks

zero

[blueberryhill]

Thanks NO for finding that post and oops i used a name not related to case~~~~~~sorry. I
have heard about the whip and laser.
Roommate's name started with e
Also, to One for the road, most abusersJ are not recognized as such and most (even close friends) don't recognize
it cuz they appear so nice in public. It just concerns me if this is more than a rumor, that he hit a woman.
THis probably would put him on someone's hate list.

[Freshbait78]

I see your point....I mistrust TW because of inconsistancies that have been in her answers here on 'Mock' and Unknown was getting second hand info so that is problematic....I have already stated that I don't buy it, that the perps stayed so long and you have helped reinforce that ....thanks

zero

I don't believe too much of anything TW has said either, like you said too many inconsistancies. She's been under my radar from day 1

[pspence]

ZeroSpheres - everytime I see Hitler groovin' to the music, I have to giggle...

[Adub]

TW says this while here on Mock:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there .the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

However, that's not true. She didn't leave the 1^st time the police were there because she was confronted by Maytee on the 2^nd 911 call & the dispatcher asks TW if there is an officer there & tells TW to talk to them. If TW & John Sr never left between 911 calls 1 & 2, how did the killers turn off the TV & lights & escape unnoticed?

You're making a lot of sense, but yet I do not read it as TW saying she left the 1^st time the police were there.... TW said it was the first time that Johnny's dad was there. Meaning that TW was not there when the door was kicked in. She had already left.

[NightOwl]

This friend of Lisa's said she found him to be polite and kind - check here. http://www.independentcollegian.com/refl...-1.2467667

[blueberryhill]

Thanks Zero, for posting entire post re Lisa and roommate. Could be rumor of course,
but could be relevant.

[NightOwl]

pplcrazy, Very interesting theory! 14581 Post

[kitty1]

TW says this while here on Mock:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there .the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

However, that's not true. She didn't leave the 1^st time the police were there because she was confronted by Maytee on the 2^nd 911 call & the dispatcher asks TW if there is an officer there & tells TW to talk to them. If TW & John Sr never left between 911 calls 1 & 2, how did the killers turn off the TV & lights & escape unnoticed?

You're making a lot of sense, but yet I do not read it as TW saying she left the 1^st time the police were there.... TW said it was the first time that Johnny's dad was there. Meaning that TW was not there when the door was kicked in. She had already left.

That is how I understood it as well. T said she was there for the 2^nd 911 call with John Sr. The police were there and taking care of it so she left.

[pplrcrazy]

IN regards to johnny punching lisa's friend in the stomach....Sorry to say but I don't think that is a rumor, I think that is very truthful.. Theres something in him where is was able to hang around the people that he did and do the drugs that he did and be in jail like he was.. Your not a great person and yet able to live that life style.. Im not buying it... LIke the saying, " you are what you eat" well you find friends alike and live the life style you feel comfortable living.. Its sad that this happened to him before he could grow and change but if you choose to live a life style of drugs and crime and associate your self with HOODRATS and CRIMINALS then what do you expect to happen.. The only part I dont understand is, why would he be haning out with TW if he was scared of AG?? That makes no sense, and why would TW being hanging out with him if she knew AG didnt care for Johnny because he was a "snitch"??? Makes nooo sense to me at all...

[NightOwl]

TW says this while here on Mock:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there .the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

However, that's not true. She didn't leave the 1^st time the police were there because she was confronted by Maytee on the 2^nd 911 call & the dispatcher asks TW if there is an officer there & tells TW to talk to them. If TW & John Sr never left between 911 calls 1 & 2, how did the killers turn off the TV & lights & escape unnoticed?

You're making a lot of sense, but yet I do not read it as TW saying she left the 1^st time the police were there.... TW said it was the first time that Johnny's dad was there. Meaning that TW was not there when the door was kicked in. She had already left.

Great Job! Freshbait78 & Adub - Zooming in! Thanks.

[Freshbait78]

TW says this while here on Mock:
i left while the police were ther this was the first time his dad was there .the police said to go they didnt see nothing wrong.i guess johnnys dad went back and kicked the door in.i was not there

However, that's not true. She didn't leave the 1^st time the police were there because she was confronted by Maytee on the 2^nd 911 call & the dispatcher asks TW if there is an officer there & tells TW to talk to them. If TW & John Sr never left between 911 calls 1 & 2, how did the killers turn off the TV & lights & escape unnoticed?

You're making a lot of sense, but yet I do not read it as TW saying she left the 1^st time the police were there.... TW said it was the first time that Johnny's dad was there. Meaning that TW was not there when the door was kicked in. She had already left.

That is how I understood it as well. T said she was there for the 2^nd 911 call with John Sr. The police were there and taking care of it so she left.

So are you both saying that you don't think that TW & John Sr were at the Straubs the very 1^st time that the police came out to check things out? Maybe the police had arrived & left before they had arrived & were still enroute?

[blueberryhill]

Re timeline: TW's alibi could be proven with phone records so yes, I think she made a phone call at the time
she said to Johnny. However, think someone else at the house answered using Johnny's phone. I would guess
that by this time, both victims had been restrained and death happened within next hour. My guess is that
perps were ready to strike when victims arrived home.

[Adub]

So are you both saying that you don't think that TW & John Sr were at the Straubs the very 1^st time that the police came out to check things out? Maybe the police had arrived & left before they had arrived & were still enroute?

I think that TW and John Sr were there the whole time. TW left when Maytee arrived.

[Freshbait78]

Theres something in him where is was able to hang around the people that he did and do the drugs that he did and be in jail like he was.. Your not a great person and yet able to live that life style.. Im not buying it... LIke the saying, " you are what you eat" well you find friends alike and live the life style you feel comfortable living.. Its sad that this happened to him before he could grow and change but if you choose to live a life style of drugs and crime and associate your self with HOODRATS and CRIMINALS then what do you expect to happen

Keep in mind that Lisa did the same with the exception of the jail time, though she did have a DUI, I don't think she did any jail time for it. She also hung out with the same hoodrats & criminals & by all apearances, from photos we've seen, this had been going on before she met Johnny. I don't bring this up to slander her name but when you say "Your not a great person and yet able to live that life style" Does that also apply to Lisa? or just to Johnny? As far as the both of them hanging out with TW while having bad blood with AP.... that doesn't make sense to me either & it would seem to go against the "street code" they seem to be so committed to.

[Freshbait78]

I think that TW and John Sr were there the whole time. TW left when Maytee arrived.

So she was there during the 1^st & 2^nd police visits but not the 3^rd after John Sr kicked in the door. That was the point I was trying to make, was that if TW & John Sr were there during both police visits, then Unknowns info that he got, that the perps were there during the 1^st police visit cannot be true. If it were true, the perps would have had to escaped unnoticed after turning off the TV & some lights while TW & John Sr stood right there.

[kitty1]

You're making a lot of sense, but yet I do not read it as TW saying she left the 1^st time the police were there.... TW said it was the first time that Johnny's dad was there. Meaning that TW was not there when the door was kicked in. She had already left.

[/quote]
That is how I understood it as well. T said she was there for the 2^nd 911 call with John Sr. The police were there and taking care of it so she left.

[/quote]

So are you both saying that you don't think that TW & John Sr were at the Straubs the very 1^st time that the police came out to check things out? Maybe the police had arrived & left before they had arrived & were still enroute?
[/quote]
No I don't believe they were there for the first 911 call. The police had already been there once, then left. Maytee was on the phone enroute during 2^nd 911 call and when she arived at the Straubs tiff and John Sr. were there. Tiff left the 2^nd time police were there. This is how I understood and I havr actually never questioned it to be any other way.