ABORTION

[Carsman]

Continuous advancing technology, many times makes what was once a somewhat not so easy decision for women, into a mind altering one! The more you know, the more difficult it becomes!

[BlueTiki]

Sanger...I've only read a brief summary of her life/cause but from what little I've read, admirable woman and well ahead of the times. And STILL the right message all these decades later.

I was hoping her unwavering stance on eugenics would bring you comfort. Seriously . . . I really did.

Ironically, Sanger's message is the same position used against the illegal aliens residing in the US.

And those who use it are deemed racist or xenophobes.

Who knew?

[username]

Sanger...I've only read a brief summary of her life/cause but from what little I've read, admirable woman and well ahead of the times. And STILL the right message all these decades later.

I was hoping her unwavering stance on eugenics would bring you comfort. Seriously . . . I really did.

Ironically, Sanger's message is the same position used against the illegal aliens residing in the US.

And those who use it are deemed racist or xenophobes.

Who knew?

Huh. Now why would that be comforting to me....? Because I'm feeble minded and shouldn't have reproduced when I was 15 anyway?

You make me think, Tiki, when my stay at home brain has sometimes gotten lazy. Thank you....seriously, although I confess to sometimes NOT being able to follow your train of thought.


As an advocate of Birth Control, I wish to take advantage of the present opportunity to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the "unfit" and the "fit", admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit though less fertile parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.

https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webe...238946.xml

While it's completely politically incorrect, I agree that reproduction of the masses (welfare baby after welfare baby) is not beneficial to society and I agree with her stance on it with regards to pushing birth control and education (making it widely available to everyone, actually). However, I think many of the very people that keep popping out baby after baby, those living in poverty, the "uneducated" etc., we can and ought to do more to make b/c even more readily available to these folks. I mean...I have (as an adult) the resources, brain capacity, transportation, money and everything else I need to go get a prescription for birth control. For those that don't have that "stuff", I think b/c should be literally available "where they are". Whether it's in the welfare offices, available OTC with something like a food stamp (we'll call it a b/c stamp) etc.

All that said, eugenics was twisted and perverted by the Nazi regime (and others) to the extent of murdering individuals in an effort to create some superior race so in that regards, I don't think I'll be putting an "I eugenics" bumper sticker on my car in the very near future or anything.

[Blindgreed1]

Sanger...I've only read a brief summary of her life/cause but from what little I've read, admirable woman and well ahead of the times. And STILL the right message all these decades later.

I was hoping her unwavering stance on eugenics would bring you comfort. Seriously . . . I really did.

Ironically, Sanger's message is the same position used against the illegal aliens residing in the US.

And those who use it are deemed racist or xenophobes.

Who knew?

Huh. Now why would that be comforting to me....? Because I'm feeble minded and shouldn't have reproduced when I was 15 anyway?

You make me think, Tiki, when my stay at home brain has sometimes gotten lazy. Thank you....seriously, although I confess to sometimes NOT being able to follow your train of thought.


As an advocate of Birth Control, I wish to take advantage of the present opportunity to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the "unfit" and the "fit", admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit though less fertile parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.

https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webe...238946.xml

While it's completely politically incorrect, I agree that reproduction of the masses (welfare baby after welfare baby) is not beneficial to society and I agree with her stance on it with regards to pushing birth control and education (making it widely available to everyone, actually). However, I think many of the very people that keep popping out baby after baby, those living in poverty, the "uneducated" etc., we can and ought to do more to make b/c even more readily available to these folks. I mean...I have (as an adult) the resources, brain capacity, transportation, money and everything else I need to go get a prescription for birth control. For those that don't have that "stuff", I think b/c should be literally available "where they are". Whether it's in the welfare offices, available OTC with something like a food stamp (we'll call it a b/c stamp) etc.

All that said, eugenics was twisted and perverted by the Nazi regime (and others) to the extent of murdering individuals in an effort to create some superior race so in that regards, I don't think I'll be putting an "I eugenics" bumper sticker on my car in the very near future or anything.

Birth control availability isn't the reason they are popping out baby after baby. They do it to get a bigger welfare check.

[username]

Birth control availability isn't the reason they are popping out baby after baby. They do it to get a bigger welfare check.

I've heard that although it amazes me that you can somehow "earn" more from having a baby than it costs to raise that same child (even if you are a piece of shit parent).

I support family cap policies:

Welfare benefits are most often calculated based on family size. Many states passed family cap policies, which deny additional benefits or reduce the cash grant to families who have additional children while on assistance. According to the Welfare Rules Database from the Urban Institute, and NCSL legislative summaries, at least 19 states currently have a family cap policy and an additional two states have a flat cash assistance grant regardless of family size. Most of these state policies were passed in or around 1996 - 1997.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-servi...icies.aspx

I think HotD was correct when she posted earlier that a large number of at least the vocal anti-abortionists may also be anti-birth control, education etc. Shame.

[Blindgreed1]

Birth control availability isn't the reason they are popping out baby after baby. They do it to get a bigger welfare check.

I've heard that although it amazes me that you can somehow "earn" more from having a baby than it costs to raise that same child (even if you are a piece of shit parent).

I support family cap policies:

Welfare benefits are most often calculated based on family size. Many states passed family cap policies, which deny additional benefits or reduce the cash grant to families who have additional children while on assistance. According to the Welfare Rules Database from the Urban Institute, and NCSL legislative summaries, at least 19 states currently have a family cap policy and an additional two states have a flat cash assistance grant regardless of family size. Most of these state policies were passed in or around 1996 - 1997.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-servi...icies.aspx

I think HotD was correct when she posted earlier that a large number of at least the vocal anti-abortionists may also be anti-birth control, education etc. Shame.

We have a cap here now, and oddly enough, once they hit the cap they quit having babies. Weird huh? And yes catholics are against abortion and BC.

[Duchess]

And yes catholics are against abortion and BC.

Our Pope advocates responsible parenting and if utilizing birth control helps with that then he doesn't have a problem with it. He went so far as to chastise a woman who already had seven children, all by C-section. He asked her if she wanted to leave seven orphans and told her she was tempting God.

[Maggot]

Sanger was not a masturbator. Nope, she deplored it..........It probably saved more children being berthed than she ever realized ...carry on........

[Jimbone]

And yes catholics are against abortion and BC.

Meh, not really. If they really were, they'd vote differently. But they don't.

[aussiefriend]

Hey Jimmy, abortion is racist!

Where you on hiatus when I was posting about these guys speaking in a different language in the nurses station? You could have got me a good one then.

[Jimbone]

I guess I did miss it. What thread?

[aussiefriend]

I can't remember but I got hammered.

[Jimbone]

Guess you won't be letting your inner racist out again, will you?

[Carsman]

And yes catholics are against abortion and BC.

Meh, not really. If they really were, they'd vote differently. But they don't.

Many Catholics may be against abortion & "BC", but they certainly don't follow what they say. Otherwise they would all have 10, 11, 12 or more kids. Not just the one or two most of them have! (It's evident BC is involved somewhere along the line)

[aussiefriend]

Guess you won't be letting your inner racist out again, will you?

Well I won't let it run amuck like you do with yours!

[Maggot]

The Catholics did what the Muslims are doing now. 7 children was the goal for having children.

[Carsman]

Don't know many Catholic families (only maybe the older generations) that have even come close to that goal!

[Maggot]

I know quite a few our family had 5

[pyropappy]

If a pregnant women is murdered, the perp is charged with a double homicide; why is abortion not considered murder?

[Duchess]

Don't know many Catholic families (only maybe the older generations) that have even come close to that goal!

I agree with this. My Dad comes from a large Catholic family and even my own immediate family is quite big by today's standards. I think it's mostly (fairly) young Catholics who practice birth control.