The truth about racism

[Duchess]

Whoa

[Cracker]

Did you see that Duchess? Weird.

[Duchess]

No, I didn't, I was just responding to your 'wow". What happened?

[Cracker]

I was adding an "s" to my post, because I'm just slightly anal, and it posted the an SQL error message (a long one) instead of my edit. Then it automatically fixed itself.

Hal is alive and well at Mock. haha

[Middle Finger]

You can't really call it evolution if it is less than 100,000 years or so, but you can trace behaviors back over thousands of years.

The mechanism to protect and care more for your own and to dislike and mistrust other groups goes back millions of years to our primate ancestors. There are MANY things we do today as a direct result of our millions of years of evolving, bringing along that same basic primate core. Racism is just one of them.

My grievances are more economic than social. I don't care what you do if you finance it yourself. I do care if I have to contribute to your fuckedupness AND listen to your fat mouth at the movies.

Cracker draws the line at the theater. And in line at the grocery store. (thank gawd mostly white people like Publix hahahahahaha)

I'm not getting you. How are you contributing to fuckedupness and fat mouths at movie theaters?

[aussiefriend]

Lets not colour this discussion that it is evolution or scientific, racism is hatred, its social. thats it.

It is evolution and scientific. It was predictable and natural that a tribalistic social dynamic would result in conflict, dislike, and mistrust of other groups/tribes. Primates will sometimes "hate" another primate just because they eat differently than the others.

There is a built-in mechanism for caring and liking your own as a matter of survival. That is why racism flourished with humans.

If you want to think it is some totally made up thing out of nowhere with no connection to our animal past then go ahead and earn your new title of Delusional Bitch.

Now is that nice? I am trying to be nice here.

[aussiefriend]

Lets not colour this discussion that it is evolution or scientific, racism is hatred, its social. thats it.

It is evolution and scientific. It was predictable and natural that a tribalistic social dynamic would result in conflict, dislike, and mistrust of other groups/tribes. Primates will sometimes "hate" another primate just because they eat differently than the others.

There is a built-in mechanism for caring and liking your own as a matter of survival. That is why racism flourished with humans.

If you want to think it is some totally made up thing out of nowhere with no connection to our animal past then go ahead and earn your new title of Delusional Bitch.

Also MF the fights they are having these days are all about religion.

Who told you it was scientific? You might like to call me a DB but you contradicted yourself by mentioning a "tribalistic social dynamic". Keep going and I will throw down the gauntlet and ask you to back up what you are saying with some facts.

[Cracker]

Also MF the fights they are having these days are all about religion.

Who told you it was scientific? You might like to call me a DB but you contradicted yourself by mentioning a "tribalistic social dynamic". Keep going and I will throw down the gauntlet and ask you to back up what you are saying with some facts.

Religion is, and has always been, a way to control the masses. It is a social phenonmena that has more to do with tribalism and money and land and greed than it does with whatever respective savior or martyr.

The major tribes broke into the major religions. It is all based on geography and ethnicity and linguistics. I offer the Great Schism as an example of this fact. It wasn't just about leavening in the bread and the body of Christ.

Religious groups ARE modern-day tribes.

[Maggot]

Hi Crack! How is "it" going?

[Cracker]

My grievances are more economic than social. I don't care what you do if you finance it yourself. I do care if I have to contribute to your fuckedupness AND listen to your fat mouth at the movies.

I'm not getting you. How are you contributing to fuckedupness and fat mouths at movie theaters?

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I make sure I live on the side of town with the least amount of apartments and low-income housing. Usually I can avoid people who behave like they were raised by wolves, but not at the movies. Everybody goes to the movie theater in town. And Walmart.

[Cracker]

Hi Crack! How is "it" going?

Eh. OK. Tore a tendon so I can't go out with my friends tonight. They decided the injury would make me the perfect DD, but I told them to stuff it. Did they want me to wait in the car while they go in to have a few? Not happening.

[Maggot]

Hi Crack! How is "it" going?

Eh. OK. Tore a tendon so I can't go out with my friends tonight. They decided the injury would make me the perfect DD, but I told them to stuff it. Did they want me to wait in the car while they go in to have a few? Not happening.

Sorry about your tendon, be more carefull whipping (wiping) your ass next time.

[aussiefriend]

Also MF the fights they are having these days are all about religion.

Who told you it was scientific? You might like to call me a DB but you contradicted yourself by mentioning a "tribalistic social dynamic". Keep going and I will throw down the gauntlet and ask you to back up what you are saying with some facts.

Religion is, and has always been, a way to control the masses. It is a social phenonmena that has more to do with tribalism and money and land and greed than it does with whatever respective savior or martyr.

The major tribes broke into the major religions. It is all based on geography and ethnicity and linguistics. I offer the Great Schism as an example of this fact. It wasn't just about leavening in the bread and the body of Christ.

Religious groups ARE modern-day tribes.

What about the huge campaign over the ages against the jews? I have heard a rabbi describe it once as metaphysical and I would agree. There is something there.

I am not controlled by religion and some of the smartest people I know acknowledge God. Like for example, my bioscience lecturer, she is a very smart woman with a photoscopic memory.

People are connecting with "something" I think its the unknown that is what all the fuss is about. There is something to it.

[Duchess]

I don't hold anyone's race, creed, color against them. I look at them as people. I know racists and I'm pretty sure they are racist because that's how they were raised, chances are if you come from parents who hate blacks, Jews, etc., then you will probably hate them too and you won't be able to give a reason why. I tested that theory & the person got pissed at ME for putting her on the spot...of course rolling my eyes right in her face didn't help. That's my MO, roll eyes, say, Jesus Christ.

[Cracker]

I have Mere Christianity (one of my fav books). Anything of any intellligence that can be said regarding God has already been said by C.S. Lewis. I also hold a degree from a Baptist university, along with the obligatory 10 full hours of religious study. I was also raised in a Christian home (Methodist). Oh, and I live in the Bible Belt. I have been exposed.

My finding: Organized religion was made by man and is mostly bullshit. It has very little to do with an actual Creator and has more to do with making people pay money and do what the official rule book says. I can't get behind that. That people pretend they have any concept of a being/mind that created this universe when they can't even understand the most basic of its systems and rules is the supreme exercise in arrogance. The only religious nut I would listen to at this point would have to have a PhD in Quantum Mechanics. They would at least have a clue.

I also don't have any sympathy for the hoardes of stupid, non-productive citizens (who would be described as "the weak" in Biblical terms) in this country. Most of what constitutes intelligence is familial. It is cultivated through early infant/childhood experience and is increased in relation to parental care and effort. We are a nation of fucking stupid people because most parents are stupid now and are raising stupid children. They are imposing an intellectual cap on their offspring by not learning through experience and formal education, choosing instead to hang out around the crib and play video games.

I apologize for neither sentiment. Rather than claiming I have a generalized feeling of good will gained from some outside source, I have formed my opinions based on what I have encountered and have seen to be true. If people would like to change my mind, quit raising stupid fucking kids, quit building church buildings and paying clergy waaaay too much for their charitable works with the tithe money you collect, and stop talking so fucking loud at the movies. Those are my demands.

[Cracker]

From a report on the Head Start program, an pre-kindergarten program for impoverished children:

Head Start provides comprehensive services for
children from low-income families, aged three to
five. The program is administered by the
Administration for Children and Families (ACF),
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Grants are awarded to public or private non-profit
agencies by ACF Regional Offices and the Head
Start Bureau’s American Indian and Migrant
Programs Branches. The community has to match
twenty percent of the program cost.
According to information provided by the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services,
Administration for Children and Families, Head
Start programs are tailored to the local needs of the
participating children and the community served.
However, all Head Start programs must focus on:

education

nutrition

socio-economic development

physical and mental health

parental involvement


White children who participated in Head Start
were 47% less likely to repeat a grade later in
elementary school when compared to their
siblings who did not attend the program.

African American children were found to lose
benefits gained from Head Start faster than
white children and, by age 10, they retained no
gains, while white children still retained an
overall gain of five percentage points.

WTH?

[Cracker]

It doesn't matter what society tries to do for people, it is a waste of money. We can NEVER overcome the fucked up influence of a bad upbringing by bad parents. Every single social problem can be traced back to the home. Every single one. Even schools can't overcome the problem children sent from the ghettos and trailer parks because 80% of what you are and what you know and how you think and behave come FROM THE HOME.

You cannot blame society for your failings any longer. I don't accept the blame. My kids are fabulous.

[Cracker]

Are you guys tired of talking about this? Be honest. I can take a hint... Unless I find some really good shit on the webs...

[Duchess]

It makes me want to call my parents & thank them profusely for all they've done for me.

[Duchess]

I'm oblivious to much that doesn't concern me so reading some of this has been an education in itself so, no I'm not sick of it.