Did the ancients know more than we do?

[IMaDick]

You could spend your entire life learning about the past and still not know much.

Clad never should have told you he had only spent 5 years studying this stuff.

I'm sure it won't take him long to figure out what you're all about, he seems like a little less than a retard to me and we know only a full fledged retard like OP continues to fall for your shit.;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;/ (this last part is from the kitten)

[Duchess]

(this last part is from the kitten)

Aww..so you left it in. You big marshmallow.

[cladking]

I'm very dense and just a little stupid but I did find some more from
the most ancient literature.

Horus hath caused the children of Horus to count thee up in the place which thou fillest. "Osiris Pepi Nefer-ka-Ra, natron hath 354. been presented unto thee, and thou art censed, and Nut hath given thee to be as a god to thine enemy in thy name of 'God.' 355. Horus of the two years hath counted thee up, and thou becomest young in thy name of 'Lake of the year.'"

Specifically this is from THE LITURGY OF FUNERARY OFFERINGS.

http://fortunaty.net.../lfo/lfo114.htm

It was the Lake of the Year whose God was Nḥi after which the ancient
Egyptians named their years. This was the amount of water that flowed
into the Saqqara enclosure.

[cladking]

Well, since the thread has 666 views I'll add this to get it off that evil number;

Utterance 666.
1931-1(Nt. Jéquier, XXIX 761). To say: O N. [pass?] the great lake (?), even this, to the spirits,
1931-2 (Nt. 762). this water (ḫnś) to the dead.
1931-3 (Nt. 762). Guard thyself against these its people, whose house (home) is that bush,
1931a (Nt. 762). the heavenly (?) dȝ.t, in its name of "Dȝt.t,"

Same lake by the way. The dȝ.t is the word for geyser apparently and dȝ.t.t is the feminine form of the word. A lake is all encompassing which is a feminine trait and hence the feminine ending.

This is so simple but I can't seem to get it across.

[Cracker]

I was reading about the "Band of Peace." They said the structures weren't 8 miles from the Nile when they were built, they were next to the Nile. That makes more sense to me.

Ever heard of this guy, clad?
Dr. ABD’EL HAKIM AWYAN

He said:
The ancient life system in Egypt, the Khemetian tradition being passed down through the mother – mother is the teacher, not the father like in patriarchy system – this is matriarchy; she is the goddess, she is everything – and how! And in the museum you have the statues and you notice the woman put her arm around the man – so – and that shows they are equal ? No! – the woman have the upper hand. When she put the arm round the man’s shoulder, she is saying “This is mine!” You see also the sculptor in the old days put ceremonial (woman’s) wig on a man’s head when he promoted a mortal woman more than a man (man wearing a woman’s wig denotes high status). Only man with wisdom who wear women wig – so these are scribes, physicians, and the rest of it…

Smart guy.

[cladking]

No, I'm not familiar with him.

The ancient Egyptians certainly weren't strictly patriarchal though. Feminine traits were highly prized in nature and in people. Even the pantheon was balanced and the Goddesses were sometimes more powerful than the Gods though power tended to usually be a male trait.

In later times there was even a woman pharoah.

I just don't know how they were organized but they lived by the concept of "balance" and this probably manifested throughout the culture.

[Cracker]

You should look that guy up, clad. He still speaks the original language and has a different view of what the hieroglyphics mean. He says his oral tradition (Souf, I think, is the language) is waaaaay different than the view Egyptologists are pushing on the public. And he says the pyramids are NOT tombs. I didn't realize they have never found a mummy in any of the big pyramids (only the stepped pyramids were intended to be tombs).

He is more of the view that the pyramids were a type of Leyden jar to store electrical charge and energize the people.

[cladking]

You should look that guy up, clad. He still speaks the original language and has a different view of what the hieroglyphics mean. He says his oral tradition (Souf, I think, is the language) is waaaaay different than the view Egyptologists are pushing on the public. And he says the pyramids are NOT tombs. I didn't realize they have never found a mummy in any of the big pyramids (only the stepped pyramids were intended to be tombs).

He is more of the view that the pyramids were a type of Leyden jar to store electrical charge and energize the people.

I think I did run into him shortly after I started working on this. He does have a more accurate view of the builders than orthodoxy, I believe. There is ample reason to believe women were considered real people and that the society might have been matriarchal. There are numerous references to the maternal instinct in vultures which were venerated.

I believe the language is misunderstood and mistranslated. If the literal meaning of the PT is the intended one than all the supposed grammatical errors disappear and it becomes clear that objects all have masculine and feminine characteristics. The Egyptians viewed things from "inside" . A bottle is always masculine but becomes feminine when referring to the properties of the inside. One's feminine mouth drinks from a masuline bottle that is feminine internally. I believe the different tricks they used led to a generally far higher level of understanding in conversation. If you didn't grasp the intent you probably knew it. Egyptology has just completely misunderstood everything because they've tried to force the ancients' words into their own preconceptions. They've analyzed the words metaphorically when they were meant literally.

[Cracker]

I just don't know how they were organized but they lived by the concept of "balance" and this probably manifested throughout the culture.

That sounds similar to Vedic thought.

[Cracker]

I think I did run into him shortly after I started working on this. He does have a more accurate view of the builders than orthodoxy, I believe.


Egyptology has just completely misunderstood everything because they've tried to force the ancients' words into their own preconceptions. They've analyzed the words metaphorically when they were meant literally.

He also said this: "Now I’m pointing to the ‘gyptera’, which is a symbol of the ancient god – Osiris. A ‘gypt’ is the word we still use to address older people, like grandmother, grandfather – ‘gypt’. (This is used as decoration around the top of the wall.) "

Is that where Egypt gets its name?

I agree about the translation. I was reading something about the boats (w word, wasarat or something like that) and how translators think it means in the spiritual sense when they are probably really talking about a boat. Egyptologists seem to have made up half of it. It's a shame to change the author's original intent. I always hated deconstructing literature.

[Cracker]

This is from some (crazy spiritual healing) tour company that used to take tours to the man Hakim. I would have gone on that...

Bu Wizzer, meaning the Land of Osiris, was an area of Khemit (the local name for ancient Egypt), stretching to Abu Roash in the North and Dashur in the South, bordered by the Libyan desert to the west and Helwan to the east. Bu Wizzer incorporated Giza, Saqqara, Abu Sir and Abu Gurab (site of an ancient ruined obelisk). These sacred sites are all linked by a Fibonacci Spiral - a naturally occurring phenomenon which mirrors the sacred geometry of the Golden Mean Spiral (based on the Phi Ratio featured everywhere in human anatomy). This is the energy spiral passing through the King’s Chamber causing the heightened energy experienced there. It is why this was such a potent location for the Left and Right Eyes of Horus Mystery Schools Initiations.

Joanna has been taking tuition from Hakim - an elderly indigenous Khemitian. The traditional name for Egypt is Khemit, pronounced Khempt. Hakim is the latest in a line of oral tradition keepers of the ancient Khemitian wisdom.

The name EGYPT was derived by the Greeks who occupied the land around 500 BC. A stone tablet in Memphis gave tribute to the land Hit Ka Ptah (later pronounced Hi-gi-ptos = Egypt) which meant place of the image of Ptah. Ptah was a prominent deity at Memphis in the Old Kingdom (2700-2100 BC). The language of the Ancient Khemitians was known as Souf. The Greeks regarded Egypt as the font of all knowledge, hence the word Philosophy, derived from Philo (son of) - Souf (Egyptian language).

The word pyramid is also Greek, meaning what is on the horizon. The Khemitian name for pyramid is Per-Neter meaning House of Nature or even House of the Gods. Most pyramids, and certainly the three main ones at Giza, were never built as burial chambers (for example the sarcophagus in the King’s Chamber of the Great Pyramid is larger than the entrance to the chamber) but as sacred places to be at one with nature and the universe. Built on a massive clockwise white light energy spiral, it was most likely used as an initiation chamber following twelve years of study into the Left Eye of Horus Mystery School and twelve years with the Right Eye of Horus Mystery School.

Initiates meditated out on the spiral for between two-and-a-half and four days, returning to their bodies with an expanded consciousness and understanding of unity. Traces of a white powder secreted by the pituitary gland through the forehead when the Theta state level of meditation is reached, have been found in some of these sarcophagi. A few initiates found the experience so wonderful that they decided not to return to their bodies and ‘died’ in the process – but it was their choice. The Queen’s Chamber was used to energetically stabilise the initiates after their return. Hakim believes that the Sphinx was built over 54,000 years ago, and the Pyramids at Giza around 13,000 years ago, using technology far in advance of today’s. This included sonar cutting equipment and anti-gravitational devices which enabled them to lift great weights effortlessly.

Life was viewed as a cycle, connected with the sun which was born every morning in the East and set every night in the West. Nut - the Goddess of the Sky - was said to be give birth to the sun in the mornings and swallow it at night. During the hours of darkness the sun disc was said to travel the Dwat - or void - until it was reborn. The cycle of life was seen as being similar, with no fear attached to either the beginning or end. The Khemitians had no word for death in their language. A dying person was said to be Westing.

It was also believed that we all have the capacity for 360 senses, rather than the five senses that we acknowledge. These other senses are re-awakened by self-empowerment activities including positive intent, meditation, healing energies, attunements and by pilgrimages to key sacred sites. All of these activities raise our vibratory rate and therefore act as triggers for clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience and much more that cannot be readily identified by current levels of understanding. These senses can also be empowered by the elements. We are said to be over 90% water. Maya (also the name of a major ancient civilisation) and Ankh were both Khemitian words used for water. The Ankh was also the key to everlasting life. An old expression said ‘she has life, she has water, she is water’.


Saqqara was undoubtedly a healing metropolis at least 7000 years ago. You can still see the platform used by the healing physicians to diagnose medical conditions. Patients would stand on the stage and the physicians would enter one of 21 chambers surrounding the stage area. These chambers each contained, at around head height, a niche about two foot wide, two foot high and two foot deep. By placing the head inside the niche and concentrating on the patient, the physician made an empathic connection with the patient’s auric field and also with the energy field of the Earth. The construction of the healing temple allowed the signals from the patient to be amplified by underground water flow which determined what healing treatments would rectify the ailment. These healing chambers and diagnostic niches are shown below.

The Egyptian five pointed star represented the five elements of fire, water, earth, air, and ether. Reyad means ‘elemental’, like a little piece of Heaven - the source of the Cosmic Spirit - Chi, Prana or whatever we wish to call it. Hakim believes that the meaning of the word within you is much greater than any definition. The 5 pointed star also represented the five stages of the sun during the day and the five stages of life: Dawn known as Kheper (the scarab), high noon known as Ra (the ram), the afternoon sun was Oon (the wise), full afternoon sun Aten (the wiser) and finally at dusk Amen (the hidden or veil).

[Cracker]

Hakim has his own religion: KHEMITOLOGY

http://www.khemitology.com/khemitology.html

http://www.gizapyramid.com/blue.htm

He might be a little nutty. Or he IS the keeper of ancient wisdom. Or he's been out in the heat too long.

(He died in 2008, so I take the mean stuff back. Hakim, can you please focus your energy on my house so my electric bill isn't off the charts this month? Thanks.)

[cladking]

He also said this: "Now I’m pointing to the ‘gyptera’, which is a symbol of the ancient god – Osiris. A ‘gypt’ is the word we still use to address older people, like grandmother, grandfather – ‘gypt’. (This is used as decoration around the top of the wall.) "

Is that where Egypt gets its name?

I agree about the translation. I was reading something about the boats (w word, wasarat or something like that) and how translators think it means in the spiritual sense when they are probably really talking about a boat. Egyptologists seem to have made up half of it. It's a shame to change the author's original intent. I always hated deconstructing literature.

I've already forgotten a lot of what I know about Egypt and this especially applies to things that don't affect my theory or are not well understood and the origin of the word "Egypt" falls into this latter category. What is reasonably well known is the ancients referred to "Kmt" usually rendered "Kemet" which liuterally means "Black Land" after the color of the earth when high Nile receeds presumably. "Egypt" is a corruption of the Greek "Aegypta" if memory serves but how this word arose appears to be speculation. Some respected Egyptologists believe that the ancients typically referred to the country as "The Two Lands" which they believe are the united "Upper" and "Lower" Egypt but I suspect they might be wrong even on this. I can't seem to rule out the possibility that "Upper Egypt" is the high land up outside the Nile (Giza and the Land of Horus especially as well as the oases etc) and that lower Egypt is the Nile Valley itself. This is not so well established as they would have you believe. Certainly there have been political divisions between the delta and the rest of the Nile Valley in the past though. Simply stated many terms changed their meaning before our first attested and established finding of them. Nothing survives from the age of pyramid building and Egyptology mostly just forces later concepts and facts back into time to fill this void.

The most disturbing thing to me and what should be telling to all is that orthodoxy simply doesn't recognize anything about the great pyramid builders other than things related directly and specifically about religion. The answer to every single question one can imagine is "it was for unknown religious reasons". Of course they omit the word "unknown" and argue amongst themselves about the specific religious reasons. There is nothing in orthodox thought that explains how these people lived and ran an economy and no allowance for infrastructure to accomplish their sophisticated economy and tremendous lifting to build.

Orthodoxy will be proven wrong in time because it is inconsistent with reality and human nature.

[cladking]

Hakim knew something but Much of what he said most probably either bore no resemblance to reality or was a distortion of reality. This is much the same as all the theories about the ancients. If I'm right then most of orthodox thought is really just a distortion of reality. They are basically correct most of the time but at right angles to the truth. For instance they believe the Mehet Weret Cow channeled "celestial" waters in order to make the king live forever. But they see this as a religious concept and metaphoric rather than literal. The Cow was actually a tall stone construction that caught water "up among the stars" in order to lift the stone to build the king's ka so that he lived forever. Sometimes they're so far wrong I can't even determinine how they got so confused and other times they can be essentially correct. Usually they simply mistake the intended literal meaning of the words as religious gobblety gook. They overlook the actual physical evidence because it's not what they expect to see. People don't see what they don't expect. And, in this case, they are simply oblivious to facts and logic as well as the evidence of their own eyes. Instead they just keep hoping I'll go away.

I found this especially interesting;

Saqqara was undoubtedly a healing metropolis at least 7000 years ago. You can still see the platform used by the healing physicians to diagnose medical conditions. Patients would stand on the stage and the physicians would enter one of 21 chambers surrounding the stage area. These chambers each contained, at around head height, a niche about two foot wide, two foot high and two foot deep. By placing the head inside the niche and concentrating on the patient, the physician made an empathic connection with the patient’s auric field and also with the energy field of the Earth. The construction of the healing temple allowed the signals from the patient to be amplified by underground water flow which determined what healing treatments would rectify the ailment. These healing chambers and diagnostic niches are shown below.

There isn't supposed to be any water at Saqqara. This is where Djoser's Pyramid (1^st great pyramid) is located and is named after the ballast that was used to lift stones (Seker). The water named Osiris became Seker when he sat in the counterweight ([]nw-boat). I'm not certain to which niches the author is referring.

Again though it is painfully obvious to me that the so called "religious" leaders were actually scientists. The so called magic sceptres were actually machine parts. The so called temples were really industrial plants to cut or handle stone. Imhotep was not some "mystical seer" as orthodoxy would have you believe. He was the last man on earth who knew everything. After Imhotep who must have had a prodigious intellect and memory there was simply too much knowledge for one person to possess it all. Imhotep's title is usually translated "Chief of Seers" but I can assure you it almost certainly should be translated as "Chief Observer" or "Head of Scientists". These people were not superstitious bumpkins like Egyptologists are and could not have designed and built the great pyramids if they were.

[cladking]

Nobody knows where the term "pyramid" came from. It is not directly Greek origin despite its appearance. I like the guess that it means "horizon" since it is in keeping with the real meaning if I'm correct. G1 was even known to the ancients as "Khufu's Horizon".

My best guess is that it's related to the Egyptian woird which is "mr" (if memory serves). The meaning here is vague but my favorite interpretation is "Instrument of Ascension". If I could just make up something then it would be "Place of Ascension" so "Instrument of Ascension" comes extremely close. Since the Mehet Weret Cow could have been intimately connected then "instrument of ascension" fits perfectly but the idea the name didn't change with the cannibalization of the cow doesn't seem "Egyptian" to me. It is a very close fit.

Of course Egyptology never notices the actual facts don't support their assumptions.

[Lady Cop]

Clad, you might enjoy a book i'm reading right now, "Cleopatra" by Stacy Schiff. it's not the usual overheated fictional dreck, it's rather a scholarly work. there is much discussion of the gods and goddesses as well as 'contemporaneous' descriptions of the landscape, architecture, politics etc.

[cladking]

One of these days I'm going to have to start reading about the later Egyptians. I know these people had a very advanced society like their ancestors but I've just never gotten very interested. I guess it's mostly the "impossibility" of building the great pyramids that got me interested and I just haven't moved on from this yet.

[Lady Cop]

very cool photo~


That's Cleopatra on the left side of a wall at a temple at Dendera—one of the few images that bear her name. She is shown fulfilling her role as pharaoh by making offerings to the gods. The appearance here of her son by Julius Caesar is propaganda aimed at strengthening his position as her heir. He was captured and executed shortly after her demise.

National Geographic

[cladking]

I'm still working on this but have been distracted a lot recently by life and arguing with Egyptologists. I often wonder how my progress with this could be so slow. This could have all been solved and presented with a ribbon in six months if a real researcher were working on it. I'm finding more evidence and support for the great pyramids being all step pyramids. i.e.- they are stacked like layer cakes and then smoothed over as they are completed. I believe these steps essentially prove a means was used that was capable of lifting stones only a given amount so they had to be relayed up the side. This is highly inconsistent with ramps.

Somehow it seems almost impossible to get through to people. They've simply been spoon fed the idea that ramps were the only possible means for so long they can't even entertain the possibility of something else or see all the evidence for it. Each tactic I've tried has met dismal failure. I want to move on from here but there's nowhere to go until this is established it would seem.

Ironically if I'm right about the ancients then words were immensely powerful to them and the written word was even moreso. Words had the power to open vistas of discovery and to understand nature. Whereas today words have no power at all. People are wed to beliefs which are not open to discussion. We rarely succeed at communication and almost never notice the fact. We misunderstand our past and our present and rush headlong into a future without understanding our own nature.

One of these days I'm really going to get interested in the later Egyptians and try to trace how ideas evolved in Egypt. But for now I find the great pyramid builders truly inspiring and fascinating people in the extreme. I think I'd have to make a lot fewer changes than most people to understand them and their language. I've always had a sort of "primitive" outlook that meshes well with who I believe these people really were.

[Cracker]

Ironically if I'm right about the ancients then words were immensely powerful to them and the written word was even moreso. Words had the power to open vistas of discovery and to understand nature.

That idea mirrors Taoism.

Tao te Ching chapter 1:

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.