I wanna kick Egyptologist az.

[cladking]

Admit it Clad..........You are insane and are willing to prove it.

...Mad as a hatter and prove it every day...

[Cracker]

A few years ago I was watering a sapling with a hose and nozzle when a hummingbird flew over and just "posted" a mere 10' away. It was during a drought and I considered it might be thirsty so flicked a little water toward it and it flew off.

A buddy tells a story about walking between two fields and having a crow raising a ruckus and trying to communicate with him it seemed. It followed him for some distance along a road and then flew right into a car and killed.

Humans might be a little smarter than most animals but we are the thickest when it comes understanding our place in nature.

I don't think you are crazy. All horses love me. They come lay their heads on me.

Not cats, though. They can tell I don't fuck around with peeing on stuff.

At times I think I would like to be closer to nature. Then I get hot and I go inside. haha

[cladking]

I used to figure 97% of people were mostly nuts and 3% were mostly sane. I was right in the middle so I was about half nuts.

Now I figure 97% of people are 75% nuts and 3% are 50% nuts. I guess this makes me more nuts than not.

...nevermind.

I love to observe nature and natural processes looking for answers to complex questions and looking fpor things that no one understands. Like how can a yew tree that's sending out pollen do it except through the shaking caused by wind. A strong wind might dislodge no pollen while a lighter breeze later causes a large amount to be emitted. Can the tree communicate with other yews and launch only under ideal conditions? Is it enjoying it? (it appears to to be sometimes). I had a two week discussion about why there's less snow around the bases of trees than elsewhere last winter. We identified about a dozen causes and probably got all the biggies. The biggest might be just that there's a little hill around trees pushed up by their root systems so that the snow isn't as deep by the tree's trunk.

I'm normally not able to answer the questions but I like to ask them. People seem to think they're smart and do need to be reminded they aren't. So many strange things are being discovered now days and many people just prefer not to think about them. From cosmology to zoology we really don't know much of anything at all.

[cladking]

I'm always flabbergasted by Egyptologists who are so smart that they don't need to look up the traits of animals and plants mentioned in the ancient literature. These were so important to them that their so called 'gods" were part human part animal but Egytologists don't feel the need to understand the traits of the animals. The texts will say a stone flew like the "fledgling of a swallow" and they think I'm nuts for looking up how a swallow fledgling flies. Well... ...it flies low to the ground and looks like it's being pulled through the air;

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac...D=37992519

But it's the same thing with many other words. They won't look up things they aren't familiar with and some of the translators use words that don't even exist in English. God only knows what they're talking about but Egyptologists don't even notice.

You really can't get a good feel for the translation unless you also have a feel for the translator. But I suppose if you believe it's all just religious gobblety gook as Egyptologists do then it doesn't really matter what they said merely what you think they meant.

In a nutshell they went wrong because of very poor reading comprehension skills. If even one of them had ever considered the possibility that the text was meant literally this would have been discovered 150 years ago when it was first translated.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/

So instead we have lived in ignorance of our past because they don't understand English.

Hey, at least I know I'm stupid. What's their excuse?

[Cracker]

then it doesn't really matter what they said merely what you think they meant.

That was very profound, clad.

You would be interested in Derrida ("There is nothing outside the text.") and his views on all texts being related to some other text. Wonder how he would approach old Egypt and the first writings? He would say they are manifestations of the spoken text, I guess. Deconstuctivism my ass. At some point, somebody wrote something as a result of a real idea or observance.

[cladking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

After reading the wiki article on deconstructionism I'm still not sure I entirely understand it but it has led to one insight;

"Its apparently solid ground is no rock, but thin air."

What I've been doing with the Pyramid Texts is to some extent deconstructionism and what I've been doing the the pyramid is reverse engineering.

But where as wiki says all texts from western civilization have nothing outside the text, the ancient thinking and ancient texts are different and this might be part of the reason they were not understood. There is solid ground in the Pyramid Texts. It is all solid ground but it is "landscaped" by hyperbole and rhymes. It is full of puns and word play and it is built on solid ground while complete in itself.

I believe it is complete because the authors used the words of the "Neters" (the Gods) (the natures). It is an expression of the Gods because they thought in term of those Gods. Even what they built and how they lived were an expression of the Gods. Each term, each part of nature in the PT is defined in terms of each other part so it is complete in itself. It says what it says and means what it means even though it is broadly mistranslated and wholly misunderstood. Even the lack of referrents can't obscure its meaning because these referrents can be deduced.

What we say and what we write is dependent on our place in time and space. What the ancients wrote transcends it's authors because the authors lived through nature and were in a time and place that were ageless and independent of influences outside of nature which apply everywhere.

It is the Greek misunderstanding of this which created western civilization and it is our misunterstanding of western civilization which makes these words so opaque. But it is nature itself which can and will unravel these words so that everyone can see them. I may have to be nature's instrument in this case.

Most people say I'm a tool anyway.

[Duchess]

Most people say I'm a tool anyway.

Hahaha! You're so cute.

I like reading you & Cracker, you both make learning interesting.

I'm sure that's the dorkiest thing I'll say all day. Jeezus.

[cladking]

Hahaha! You're so cute.

I like reading you & Cracker, you both make learning interesting.

I'm sure that's the dorkiest thing I'll say all day. Jeezus. [/i][/size]

That sure isn't what the Egyptologists tell me.

I'd love to bury the hatchet with them and all I'd need is for them to admit the facts. They don't have to agree with me just stop the fiction that there is evidence for their beliefs and stop saying I ignore the evidence. The only thing I ignore are assumptions and everything that's founded on their assumptions.

It is my sincere belief that Egyptology has enough information already to solve the means the great pyramids were built if they just looked at it instead of ordered it to fit assumptions.

I have a lot of respect for Egyptologists but rarely get a chance to say so since their first weapon against heresy is insult.

[Cracker]

I have a lot of respect for Egyptologists but rarely get a chance to say so since their first weapon against heresy is insult.

The Gift of Insults.

There was once an old man known for being able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended throughout the land and many gathered to study under him.

One day a young warrior arrived at the old man’s village. He was determined to be the first to defeat the great master, since he had both strength and the ability to notice and exploit an opponent’s weakness.

The old master gladly accepted the young warrior’s challenge. As the two faced one another, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. The verbal insults went on for hours, yet the old master merely stood there motionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Defeated, he left.

The great master’s students gathered around the old man. “How could you endure such an indignity?” they wondered. “And how were you able to drive him away?”

“If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it,” the master replied, “to whom does the gift belong?”

[Cracker]

Hey clad, have you seen this?

http://www.kaheel7.com/eng/index.php/uns...-the-quran

They say the pyramid stones were baked in place. You were looking in the wrong texts. The Quran had the answer all along. hahaha

Here's the link without the Allah stuff: http://www.livescience.com/1554-surprisi...built.html

[Cracker]

Ever hear of the Voynich manuscript, clad? Interesting stuff. Has pics of the Fibonacci sequence in nature (plants).

Yale also has a decent collection of Coptic papyrus: http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/digital...pyrus.html

[Cracker]

Did you see this, clad? A crackpot cracked the Voynich "code."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/0...latestnews

[cladking]

Did you see this, clad? A crackpot cracked the Voynich "code."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/0...latestnews

I saw the headline on one of my sites.

I've looked at this thing closely enough to be confident someone would need god's help to decipher it. It could have a coherent meaning but I tend to doubt it. My guess is it's a form of doodling.

[cladking]

I'd ask God Herself about it but She hates it when I bother Her too much.

[Lady Cop]

interesting article Clad...i emailed it to you, but wanted to post it for others. oooooooo secret pyramid doors!

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/1...test=faces

[cladking]

Hawass is officially out as two days ago. Of course, this is about the 5^th time he's out and I've lost count but he is out. This is probably good for everyone who wants answers instead of the status quo. The new guy is going to be putting more people to work and inviting outsiders. Hawass had many strenghts but he regarded all outsiders with contempt. He listened only to Egyptologists and outside scientists always answered to the source of funding; Egyptology.

Sometimes an "air shaft" is only an "airshaft". These may be sexy to modern people and Egyptologists but the ancients considered them the dorsal air siphon of Serket whom dropped on Her anus (the lower chamber). There's nothing behind these except core stone since they were abandoned as the pyramid grew in height and the king's chamber shafts proved sufficient to the task of providing air for the "rowers" in the grand gallery.

Hawass thought he'd find the real kings burial chamber in the upper southern shaft (or above it) but this was based on a work of fiction written many hundreds of years after the pyramid was built. He often projected later ideas back onto the builders; live by the sword, die by the sword.

This will be about as interesting to me as Al Capone's vault or anything else Gerry Rivers dreams up next. The best that can be hoped for is pyramid top debris that was accidently left behind like a standard weight or part of a workman's lunch. It's improbable the shaft extends beyond the next course of blocks.

[Cracker]

Hawass is officially out as two days ago.

I know he is abrasive, but was quite a character. What happened? I hope they don't kill him now. Haha Silly Egyptians rioting and killing people. They so crazy...

[cladking]

Hawass is officially out as two days ago.

I know he is abrasive, but was quite a character. What happened? I hope they don't kill him now. Haha Silly Egyptians rioting and killing people. They so crazy...

There have been a lot of things going on in front of the cameras and behind the scenes. It's tough to say exactly what did him in but he's not as young as he was and there are a lot more knives in the back to dodge. He had no friends in Egyptology and few friends in Egypt other than the higher ups who loved him because of the attention and tourist dollars he brought. It was probably in a large degree his close relationships to the old regime that did him in but in Egypt it's never just one thing and this goes many times over for an individual like Hawass.

He has left a legacy but it will be years until we catch up with the science that hasn't been getting done. I hope things improve and stabilize for the Egyptian people and wish the new antiquity's cheif great success in protecting and discovering Egypt's and man's past. I do have very high hopes.

[Cracker]

Is it true antiquities were stolen and damaged in the fighting over there? Because I would be pissed, too. You can't replace that stuff.

Egypt doesn't strike me as a forward-thinking scientific nation. I have doubts that will change with Hawass gone.

I do know I wouldn't travel over there now, or anytime soon. The more they go on and on about killing white people and Christians and Jews, the less I want to to visit them. They should think about that shit. They hate us, but they love our money.

Obama was supposed to make the Middle East like us. At least Bush made them fear us. Now they just hate us. Obama made an enemy of Israel and Pakistan laughs in his face. Yeah, I'm not going to Egypt anytime soon.

[Lady Cop]

Cracker: Is it true antiquities were stolen and damaged in the fighting over there? Because I would be pissed, too. You can't replace that stuff.


hell, some of the pics vanished. :(

http://mockforums.net/thread-4730.html?h...ian+museum