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NAPLES, Fla. (AP) — Sheriff's officials in southwest Florida say a clerk at a 24-hour food store shot and killed a man who tried to rob her and take her 1-year-old daughter.
Store owner Del Ackerman told the Naples Daily News ( http://bit.ly/rnKaJe ) his granddaughter shot the man after he stormed into the store Tuesday afternoon and demanded money and grabbed the stroller that held her baby.
Authorities say 22-year-old Elizabeth Easterly was alone in the store with her 1- and 2-year-old daughters. Collier County Sheriff's spokesman Jamie Mosbach says the man was acting erratically before the incident.
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"Easterly did just as she had been taught — she drew a gun and aimed for the would-be robber’s knee".
WTF! that's a crap thing to teach someone. a head is a better target than a knee!
if you need to shoot someone, you shoot to kill, not at their fucking knee.
the crack-head died anyway, so maybe she missed the knee and hit center mass like she should have.
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Who taught her that? Geez, she could have been killed.
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I'm all for gun control. Knowing how to control your gun makes you a much better shot. 
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This is another area where I have mixed feelings. I'm not anti-gun but I would support stricter controls to try to ensure that only responsible individuals are allowed to possess them.
I quickly pulled this; I'm not certain of the accuracy but I do often here about children injured in gun accidents.
The Children's Defense Fund's most recent data (published in 2004; "Protect Children Instead of Guns 2004") show that gunfire killed 2,911 American children and teens in 2001, which equals "one child every three hours, eight children every day, and more than fifty children every week" for that year. In fact, more children and teenagers were killed by gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, and influenza combined. Youths in the United States have a one in 1,339 chance of being killed by gunfire before the age of twenty. They are also sixteen times more likely to be murdered with a gun, eleven times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to be accidentally killed by a gun than children in other industrialized countries.
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Your point with 10 year old data is . . . ?
Kids die. Kids kill other kids.
Welcome to the world.
Pull stats from Africa regarding child deaths and get back on your weepy wagon.
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(10-19-2011, 10:46 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Your point with 10 year old data is . . . ?
You're usually quicker than this--not enough Folgers this morning?
My problem with guns is the asshat parents who store them irresponsibly, a kid gets their hands on a weapon and, oops, accidentally shoots little Johnny from down the street.
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Busted. For reals.
You were the random victim of my intended nastiness.
I woke-up mean and cranky.
And then I read your drivel . . . 
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I don't like guns, I think they are dangerous, hahaha...but I'm glad they are in my home & I'm glad I was taught to use them. Please don't make me shoot you.
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Could you imagine what would have happened if she did not defend her life, or that of her childs. Good for her!
Hope she gets treated to a spa day after that!
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(10-19-2011, 10:59 AM)username Wrote: My problem with guns is the asshat parents who store them irresponsibly, a kid gets their hands on a weapon and, oops, accidentally shoots little Johnny from down the street.
It's true those asshat parents are the problem with leaving their guns accessible to kids, but there are also plenty of asshat parents who leave their kids unsupervised, leave drugs around the house for their children to ingest (accidental poisonings of kids increased 28% from 2001-2008), live a lifestyle that gets their child involved in the drug world (a la Maytee) or bring child molesters into their children's lives, drink and drive with the kids in the car, etc. And then there's the women who drink and/or do drugs while pregnant producing children who are often mentally/emotionally handicapped for their entire lives. I wish we could prevent it all.
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The latest data I could pull from the CDC website were for 2008.
Numbers are:
Age 0-17 Firearm deaths
Total Firearms deaths: 1475
Unintentional deaths: 98 (Accidental firearm deaths)
Undetermined deaths: 26 (Not determined if death was accidental or not)
Age 0-19 Firearm deaths
Total Firearm deaths: 2966
Unintentional deaths: 123
Undetermined deaths: 39
The Childrens Defense Fund uses statistics for children ages 0-19, which doubles the number of deaths. However, in the U.S. you are a legal adult at age 18, therefore the 0-17 age range is more accurate if you are discussing childrens deaths due to firemarms. Adding the unintentional and undetermined columns for firearms deaths comes to 124 deaths that could have been caused due to parental, caregiver, or extended familial carelessness with a firearm.
Please compare the firearm stats with the following:
2008 Poisoning Deaths ages 0-17
Total poisoning deaths: 494
Unintentional poisoning: 333
Undetermined poisoning: 66
The total for unintentional and undetermined poisoning total 399 deaths, which is more than 3 times greater than firearms deaths in 2008.
More information at http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal.html
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(10-19-2011, 10:42 AM)username Wrote: This is another area where I have mixed feelings. I'm not anti-gun but I would support stricter controls to try to ensure that only responsible individuals are allowed to possess them.
Ummm...We already have that, thats what a Concealed Carry permit and the form that has to be filled in order to buy a gun are for.
If you check you will find that there are VERY few incedents involving License holders or legally bought guns. There are a few, but not many. I have no problem with the concept of Gun Control, my dad taught me that and uncle sam backed it up. Its the do good maroons that feel like they need to make a lot of rules for me to live by that I have a problem with.
To bad there is not an Asshat form that gets filled out, that would stop a lot of things.
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(10-19-2011, 04:26 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: If you check you will find that there are VERY few incedents involving License holders or legally bought guns.
That's good to know. As I said, I don't have a problem with gun ownership in general--I just want to know that they're being sold to people that are responsible enough to handle them and that we're making every effort to keep them out of the hands of criminals (a near impossible but worthwhile effort).
I've never bought a gun but they seem exceptionally easy to get. There was an advertisement for a gun show near here recently and the advertising basically consisted of "come one, come all--get ur guns here"!
Apparently we need to make a better effort at keeping poisonous substances away from the asshats too. 
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Did you know that you can get a paintball gun and load it with little balls of pepper spray?
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(10-19-2011, 05:04 PM)Adub Wrote: Did you know that you can get a paintball gun and load it with little balls of pepper spray?
No, I didn't know that. Cool. One of my sons used to own a paintball field. Those little balls hurt when they hit.
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