Hey clad

[cladking]

Sure I'd love to see Maggot's response.

Some people might argue that if I were sane that I'd be concerned about outing a bunch of old folks who run the world. If I'm right fig eaters have done a lot more than getting rid of a thorn in their side over the centuries. Whole wars have been fought to protect them probably. But this whole thing is coming undone. A professional hit on me would point in only one direction and who'd want to spend LIFE in prison. Remember the Twilight Zone where a guy bargains for immortality with the devil but then claims to have killed his wife so he can experience the electric chair just for sport. He got LIFE in prison. If I go down the pyramid theory gets a whole bunch of attention and they are found out. So I figure either I'm wrong and there's no danger or I'm right and there's no real danger.

So look at the big banking families. Like the ones with a name that means red shield. The specific family members should be easy to find if you just google images of the family (Rothschild) and look for the faces that show up in multiple generations. Look at the ears; these are supposed to be nearly as distinct as fingerprints. Keep in mind the farther I get away from how they built the pyramid the more tenuous my deductions become and the less confidence I have in them. My confidence that fig eaters exist today is not extremely high so hence a reluctance to name him (them?).

[cladking]

I've always avoided studying much Egyptian history from after the great pyramid building age because that's how Egyptology went wrong. But here's one from about 500 years later that I missed until just now;

“a man of an infinite number of cubits, whose name is ‘Evil Day’. As for the day of giving birth and becoming pregnant—there is no giving of birth and sycamores will not bear figs.”

Seth tells Horus that this is his name so that Horus will save him from a snake bite.

Remember snakes are leaks of water or gas and Set(h) is the part of the geyser under the ground. The Egyptians didn't know where the water in the geysers originated but many believed it came from the Island of Elephantine near Aswan because it often ran red. They mined red ochre on this island. It was really red because the carbonic acid which is carbonated water dissolved the egyptian red sandstone and the siderite coloring of it was very similar to red ochre.

Once Set(h) couldn't get it up anymore; once he could no longer lift Osiris who rode on his back the economy was destroyed and the figs died.

Everything just seems to fit like a hand in a glove.

[Cracker]

Do you feel you can trust historical sources, clad? They certainly had a different point of view and didn't have snopes.com...

[cladking]

Do you feel you can trust historical sources, clad? They certainly had a different point of view and didn't have snopes.com...

Generally, yes.

But "trust" may be way too big of a word. People have a unique way of viewing reality that has evolved over the eons. Most people in any given culture share this viewpoint. It is a construct not only of education and language but is passed down to us from birth.

Most ancient peoples considered accuracy and truthfullness to be related, important, and necessary. If they didn't understand something they wouldn't relate it and if they did they'd be certain that it conformed to their understanding. People today play very fast and loose with ideas and facts. Even scientists will relate things that are so wholly ambiguous they could be describing anything from a firefly to a supernova.

There is a strong tendency for facts to get twisted in a generational chinese telephone but the end product is usually quite close to the initial reality. Myth is probably intentionally designed to allow a more accurate retelling. Much of the reality of ancient Egypt is visible in the myths. It appears that before the invention of writing this accuracy was even much higher since there were oral traditions which were passed down verbatum. When writing appeared the oral traditions ceased as superfluous and most human history was lost. (probably)

I found a new resource that might open up a lot of new leads. I'll get back to you on it.

I also wrote out a list of referents this morning for another site. I'll place it in a different post.

[cladking]

The true nature and scope of the ancient Egyptian Science has been wholly misunderstood. The Science was based primarily on observation since they lacked particle accelerators and anemometers. It is apparent that the observer would sometimes introduce variables into the process he was observing and these were the first true scientific experiments. What the science lacked in formality was offset by its ability to gain knowledge without complexity and its flexibility. It was largely based on philosophy just like modern science but the practitioners of the ancient science were aware results depended on philosophical underpinnings, definitions, and axioms where few people today realize that these even play a role far less that they define the results of experimentation and the meaning of such things to man and nature: no fact is the truth though statements of fact can be organized as truth.

The reason that the Pyramid Texts have been misunderstood is that there were complex rules for the expression of all ideas and scientific observation. Of course an even greater but less visible cause is that the referents for most of the more complex ideas and words are missing. We translate a word as “snake” or “boat” but don’t realize that the first might not be a legless reptile and the second might not travel on water any more than a mortar boat or a ‘57 Chevy does today. Without the proper referents it is simply impossible to communicate. It is utterly impossible to understand the PT without referents. Rather than seeking these referents by context within the PT scholars have inserted definitions and ideas from later times for the exact same words. It makes the PT clumsy and incomprehensible. It makes it the earliest version of the books of magic from which they yanked the definitions of the terms.

Then rather than take this book of magic which they themselves created as distinct they apply it across the board to the entire culture and along with information and objects found in tombs present the entire Egyptian culture in these terms. We have been presented a vary warped and inaccurate picture of these people and their beliefs. We have applied these inaccuracies even to the reasons and means by which the great pyramids were built. We have assumed these people were changeless and inert from the earliest days and were obsessed with death and the afterlife without ever considering most of what we know was improperly analyzed after being ripped from tombs. The living culture doesn’t survive because they lived in the valley and there are very few objects which can be found under many meters of sediment. This was a vibrant and living culture with a living and vibrant science and it has been mistaken for people obsessed with death and moribund by religious beliefs.

Their “Bible” doesn’t survive except in bits and fragments of ancient literature and a few chapter headings in the PT itself but this work would have been more equivalent to the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics then to a prayer book. It contained the philosophical ideas that formed the basis of observational science. It likely also contained some results and even numerical tables. It almost certainly had a lot of information about stone.

These people were very down to earth. They were a part of nature and considered themselves a part of nature. They expressed themselves in “natural” terms and thought in natural terms. Their Gods, their “neters” were aspects of nature and were depicted with things from nature with man being the largest component of this depiction in most cases. To the Egyptians everything was in balance because man was the observer and the Gods the actors. The Gods were “true of voice” because the Gods were created in man’s image and language itself reflected nature; it reflected the neters. Their language was misunderstood because these ideas were not readily apparent. Their sentence structure and rules of grammar were also heavily influenced by their beliefs and trust in nature. One could “pray” for an outcome or event but one could not assign characteristics to natural processes. Unlike us they knew that as time went by their understanding would grow and evolve so saying something like the sun is round was a “sacrilege”. They would instead say “the sun (Re’) in its (his) name of that which is round “ or refer to the great circle that sets in the west. There are numerous such rules and conventions and these I’ll save for a later post. When they described a thing or process that had no defined God they would compare it to plants or animals. They were exceedingly keen observers and this especially applied to their observations of flora and fauna. Even the most delicate nuance of the behavior of animals was noted and used to describe things from everyday life. They simply didn’t think or express themselves as modern people do. Where we have virtually infinite ways to express any thought no matter how complex and risk being wholly misunderstood, they had a very limited number of ways to express any idea. Any idea could be expressed but there was a single “proper” way to say it and the more learned a man was the more closely he could approximate this ideal. Sentences could become quite complex and only learned people might understand them. Those who didn’t take the meaning would hear gobblety gook.

Since we lack so many referents and we don’t know the rules of grammar it’s not surprising that we mistook the work as goblety gook. As more and more anachronistic meanings and ideas are plugged into this work the farther and farther we get away from the original intent. This book is quite obviously a book of ritual that was read aloud to the assembled throngs at the king’s ascension ceremony; the w3g-festival on the Giza Plateau (during the so called 4^th dynasty). These were the Rituals of Ascension. But the details have to be deduced from learning the referents of the words from context. Each time a word is used it gains definitional and connotative meanings and if used enough times the referent becomes known; it is those meanings. The meaning can then legitimately be inserted back into the text to reveal further meanings and referents for disparate terms. As this process proceeds a coherent literal meaning for the PT emerges. I have not engaged in this procedure in a vacuum. Perhaps it would be more legitimate to do it this way but the fact is that there isn’t nearly enough information in this short work to identify the majority of the terms and the complexity of doing this without other information is quite staggering. I’d compare trying to figure out terms that are used only a few times with little definition assigned to planning a chess move seven moves in advance; it’s possible but the number of permutations becomes too great. So I’ve simply chosen to apply the existing physical evidence to the determination of many of these terms. I’ve constructed a model of the implications on the physical evidence and use this model as well as the context to identify referents.

Using the process of finding referents by context there are some conclusions which are simply obvious and inescapable. Where Egyptology pronounces the conclusion that ramps must have been used to build the Great Pyramid based on no evidence or reason at all one must conclude by the discovery of referents that there was cool effervescent water on the Giza Plateau named Osiris and it was Osiris in his name of Seker whom
provided the power to lift the stones. But using logic anyone can judge for himself. One doesn’t have to assume that the builders were so ignorant that they couldn’t even come up with an easy method to get the stones up like pulling them up on ropes as the pyramid grew higher.

The referents that change the PT from a book of gobblety gook into a coherent “narrative” that makes the builders appear to be sane are as follows. I intend to refrain at this point by making this list comprehensive since this would require far more effort and might have no benefit. If anyone is interested in a more comprehensive listing I’ll be happy to add the missing ones. This means these will just tend to be the more important and more favorite referents rather than all of them:

[cladking]

...Con't from previous post;

Eye of Horus: Any opening through which the water naturally flows or is intended to flow.
Serpent, snake: Any opening through which a fluid passes that was not intended.
Uraeus serpent: The natural (original) Eye of Horus.
“I[].t-wt.t”, “efflux”: CO2, carbon dioxide, “risings begetter” in Egyptian
[]nw-boat: The counterweight which lifted the stones and in which Osiris became Seker.
Fire-pan: A signaling device that was a floating oil lamp and burned out if the water stopped.
Rennenutet: A small ridge in the Upper Eye of Horus that channeled CO2 under the fire pan.
Shm-sceptre; an oar shaped device which was inserted into the crown in the Eye of Horus to deflect it.
Crown: The top of the column of water.
Duat: Geyser. In Egyptian this referred to the entire geyser from its origin to the Marsh of Offerings.
Natron, a libation: A chemical introduced to force eruptions.
The winding watercourse: The waterways on the pyramid top and base.
Mehet Weret Cow; Contained the Upper Eye of Horus and channeled the celestial waters.
Arms of Nut: The drilled wells through which the water sprayed.
Nbht-sceptre; A device that sat in the nurse canal in the mehet weret and waved the “variegated feathers” when water flowed.
Horus; God of the Land of Rainbows (the geyser field where the great pyramids were built)
Set; The water under and on the ground.
Apron, SSMT: This was the “sacred girdle”, the water catchment device that surrounded pyramids.
Nhi: God of the Year. The quantity of water caught in the Saquarra catchment and recorded on the Palermo Stone.
Boat of 770 Cubits: The G2 apron.
Serket: the Goddess of the northern counterweight and the air siphon which allowed respiration in G1.
Nephthys: “house basket” The Goddess of the eastern ascender.
The sons of Horus: These were Gods of the four sides of the pyramid.
Anubis: The God of the pyramid top which oversaw all operations.
Kebehwet: Goddess of top pressure.
Nehebkau: The hydraulic cycle.
Lake of the Jackal: The queens chamber which became smaller with altitude.
Dm-sceptres: the rollers, greased stones, or (more likely) pulleys which transferred forces across the pyramid top.
Ba-sceptre: probably a weir on the pyramid top which defined Kebehwet.
WAs-scepter: A tool to operate the djed.
The Djed: A hollow sycamore log which directed the water at the Eye. The word means stable in all four dimensions.
Shu, Tefnut: “Gods” of upward and downward.
Atum: The natural outlet for water at Giza.
Ben ben: A conically shaped stone that formed on the primeval mound and the ka of Atum.
Primeval mound: The minerals that accreted at the outlet.
Ma’at: Balance. This is not only the balance of nature and way to live but the balance used to lift stones.
Ma’at pole: The balance indicator on the pyramid top used by the “ferryman”.
Ladder: Counterweight or ascender run (usually upon the pyramid itself).
Ladder of Set: Cliff face counterweights at G1.
Stairway: The pyramid.
Mr (instrument of ascension): The pyramid.
The ka of the king: The pyramid.
The word of the Gods: The pyramid.
The Sky: The tomb of the king.
Osiris: A column of cool effervescent water that off-gasses CO2.
Broadhall: The caves through which Osiris flows.
Rosteau: Giza, literally “the place of the mouth of caves”.
Those with ready hands: The human pyramid builders.
The ankh: A representation of the geyser and a sort of “catechism” to remember the Gods.
Long strides: The 80’ vertical drop of the counterweights.
[]b[]w, heaven, the heights, doors of heaven, etc: “the height” at which water was caught.

There are quite a few more and many more specifics.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/pyt/index.htm

[Lady Cop]

Clad, this is a better-than-usual slideshow i found at Washington Post/Smithsonian exhibit---> i liked the mummified bull.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/...z9#photo=1