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everyones contraception? I know that the word used is free, but we all know that's bullshit, nothing is free someone has to pay for it.
So the question is should the government force all of us to pay for birth control up to and including the morning after pill?
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Obama chief of staff: No more compromise, contraceptive rule is done deal
Published February 12, 2012
Despite renewed statements of concern by Catholic leaders and lawmakers, the Obama administration is done negotiating and will finalize its plan requiring insurance companies to provide free contraception to women working and studying at religious institutions, President Obama's chief of staff said Sunday.
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(02-13-2012, 11:38 AM)IMaDick Wrote: So the question is should the government force all of us to pay for birth control up to and including the morning after pill?
We all know a certain class of people would take advantage of that so yeah, I'd rather pay for that and/or their abortions rather than a lifetime of welfare. I'd even go so far as to say I'd be delighted to help pay for them all to be spayed & neutered too.
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I can see a person wanting to help out that certian class of people and freely give to that cause, but should everyone be forced to pay for it by government intervention into the free exercise of giving or not giving or to disagree and not want to help?
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Except for through our voting, we don't really get to pick and choose how our tax dollars are spent. I might not give a rat's ass about pot hole repair but I can't direct my tax dollars away from it.
I disagreed with Obama forcing Catholic employers to provide b/c and I feel like this "compromise" is sort of an end run and I understand why many Catholics are still unhappy. That said, I agree with Duchess, I'm all for providing ready access to b/c to low income families.
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Catholics believe that the only acceptable manner of birth control is abstinence, that may have changed in the years since I was a regular church goer but I doubt it. There are many ridiculous "rules" in being a practicing Catholic, that's just one of many.
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Why force insurance companies to provide them? why not just supply them to the hospitals to be distributed to whomever walks in and asks for them? why force the issue onto religious entitities ?
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(02-13-2012, 12:42 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Why force insurance companies to provide them?
Because insurance companies pay for Viagra & other like prescriptions.
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Free? are those other drugs provided free of charge?
You pay for your insurance don't you Duchess?
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(02-13-2012, 12:47 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Free? are those drugs provided free of charge?
I doubt it but I don't know for certain.
I shouldn't even be addressing this as I don't have all the facts. Didn't this come about because funding for Planned Parenthood was cut completely?
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(02-13-2012, 12:47 PM)IMaDick Wrote: You pay for your insurance don't you Duchess?
Yup, an obscene amount of money. Every time I write a check I hear Maggot in my mind telling me to cut my insurance & put that money in a medical expense fund, I'd like to but I fear it coming back and biting me in the ass.
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(02-13-2012, 12:28 PM)Duchess Wrote:
Catholics believe that the only acceptable manner of birth control is abstinence, that may have changed in the years since I was a regular church goer but I doubt it. There are many ridiculous "rules" in being a practicing Catholic, that's just one of many.
The class of people that are the most in need of these services are not well lnown for following rules imposed by society in general. They asre certainly not going to stop fucking just because a guy in an origami hat told them to.
I am with you, I would rather pay for BC and abortions than a lifetime of welfare, prison time and funerals for their victims.
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I can't get my head around this...
"But if a woman's employer is a charity or a hospital that has a religious objection to providing contraceptive services as part of their health plan. The insurance company -- not the hospital, not the charity -- will be required to reach out and offer the woman contraceptive care free of charge without co-pays, without hassle."
It's not like an employer (any employer) typically has their own pharmacy on site and they're handing out b/c. I don't get this. He's still saying the insurance company that a Catholic employer chooses will have to provide contraception, right? How is that different than saying the "employer" has to provide the contraception? I suppose because b/c isn't part of the plan. And how can you require insurance companies to give away free b/c? I guess because we're going to pay them to do it.
Ha! I answered my own questions while I was typing that.
Like I said before, I agree with Duchess about getting b/c to low income individuals (hell it should be mandatory if you're on welfare) but if I were Catholic, I'm not sure I'd be endorsing this "compromise" either.
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Poor people already get free birth control in this country. And they have babies for free and feed them for free and house them for free and we pay them to stay home and do it.
My insurance doesn't cover birth control. I have to pay extra for that. Because I have one of those paid plans for people who aren't pieces of shit and know that a baby isn't a paycheck, a baby is an expense.
The real issue is we need to stop paying people to have babies.
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To stop scum squirting out sprogs I think its worth every penny giving them free birth control the only worry is will they be smart enough to fucking use it?
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(02-14-2012, 08:56 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: will they be smart enough to fucking use it?
Doubtful unless they have drive/ambition, the desire to have a productive life.
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Surely even the most dumb worthless fuck of an excuse for a man knows why and how to put a condom on his dick?
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I don't think it's about knowing how, I think it's about caring enough to do so.
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It's not just about 'a certain class of people'. I think a service like that should be means tested.
The bottom line is that the government is not a bottomless pit.
Pregnancy especially with people in low socioeconomic groups (including drug users) and the long term effects it has on the health system are far greater than the minimum amount of contraception. This is how this they justify this as a solution to minimise the effects (crime, unwanted pregancy, fetal alcohol syndrome, child abuse, the list goes on) that it is having on the public purse. All of this impacts on police, CPS, hospitals and so on.
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