walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[Adub]

O'M with the IT guy on the stand. First thing out of O'Mara's mouth how much does the needed software cost. Ha!

[Cynical Ninja]

I think everyone here knows what my views are by now about this case.

But....

I still think its a bit of a disgrace that Zimmermans defence has to beg online for donations just so they can try and mount a decent defence.

Justice should be blind and not about how much cash you have access to.

The government have recently made cuts in the legal aid budget in the UK but all serious cases still get legal aid if required. That means everyone accused gets the right to have a decent and compotent defence whether they are a prince or pauper.

[username]

If you're poor you can get a public defender and everything is paid for. I guess if G had let himself go bankrupt or something, his legal costs would be covered by tax payer dollars (like Jodi Arias). IDK exactly how that works.

[Adub]

George loves the begging site. It affirms his innocence. In his mind.

[Adub]

If you're poor you can get a public defender and everything is paid for. I guess if G had let himself go bankrupt or something, his legal costs would be covered by tax payer dollars (like Jodi Arias). IDK exactly how that works.

But George has got to eat. I don't think the State would pick up that tab.

[Cynical Ninja]

If you're poor you can get a public defender and everything is paid for. I guess if G had let himself go bankrupt or something, his legal costs would be covered by tax payer dollars (like Jodi Arias). IDK exactly how that works.

Are public defenders as compotent and well equipped as privately paid for lawyers? Something tells me if OJ had just had a public defender he wouldn't have gotten away with murder.

[Adub]

If you're poor you can get a public defender and everything is paid for. I guess if G had let himself go bankrupt or something, his legal costs would be covered by tax payer dollars (like Jodi Arias). IDK exactly how that works.

Are public defenders as compotent and well equipped as privately paid for lawyers? Something tells me if OJ had just had a public defender he wouldn't have gotten away with murder.

The State would have paid O'Mara. That is what they did with Casey Anthony. O'Mara was all set to file for indigency when the whole pay pal perjury mess happened. And George had his first bond revoked.
He has no one to blame but himself. He is a big fat liar.

[HairOfTheDog]

I still think its a bit of a disgrace that Zimmermans defence has to beg online for donations just so they can try and mount a decent defence.

The government have recently made cuts in the legal aid budget in the UK but all serious cases still get legal aid if required. That means everyone accused gets the right to have a decent and compotent defence whether they are a prince or pauper.

I get what you're saying.

But, Zimmerman chose a private defense and eluded his first pro bono attorneys - he basically went rogue and did interviews, set up a website to solicit money, contacted the state attorneys office...against those attorneys' advice. They may not have been able to operate pro bono all the way through, but George was basically creating his own defense strategy at that time. They dropped him. That's when O'Mara came into the picture.

Zimmerman probably could have chosen a public defender as well.

Definitely, Zimmerman could have avoided trial altogether if he had been willing to testify and cross-examined at a hearing as to his version of events and been granted immunity from the judge using the Stand Your Ground laws. He waived that option to go to trial using standard self defense instead.

It's not that George didn't have other options, this is the defense route he's chosen. IMO.

ETA: Posting at same time as user and Adub.

[username]

What a dumb ass. It 's hard to look at him. It looks like he's storing food in his cheeks.

[HairOfTheDog]

What a dumb ass. It 's hard to look at him. It looks like he's storing food in his cheeks.

I don't know what's going on with the constant shifting of eyes from side to side.

[Cynical Ninja]

I don't know what's going on with the constant shifting of eyes from side to side.

Oh christ! I don't think doing an impersonation of a moustache twirling villain from the silent movie era is going to help his case at this point.

Constantly looking from side to side is a sign of shiftiness and deception.

[Adub]

What a dumb ass. It 's hard to look at him. It looks like he's storing food in his cheeks.

I don't know what's going on with the constant shifting of eyes from side to side.

Bernie needs to calm down, he is scaring the defendant.

[Cynical Ninja]

I get what you're saying.

But, Zimmerman chose a private defense and eluded his first pro bono attorneys - he basically went rogue and did interviews, set up a website to solicit money, contacted the state attorneys office...against those attorneys' advice. They may not have been able to operate pro bono all the way through, but George was basically creating his own defense strategy at that time. They dropped him. That's when O'Mara came into the picture.

Zimmerman probably could have chosen a public defender as well.

Definitely, Zimmerman could have avoided trial altogether if he had been willing to testify and cross-examined at a hearing as to his version of events and been granted immunity from the judge using the Stand Your Ground laws. He waived that option to go to trial using standard self defense instead.

It's not that George didn't have other options, this is the defense route he's chosen. IMO.

ETA: Posting at same time as user and Adub.

Thanks for that now I understand the circumstances of how he has ended up begging for donations online, like someone else mentioned I think could be using the begging site to help his case.

“Well all these people here who donated to my case so obviously they think I'm innocent”. I'm sorry but that just doesn't wash for me and I'm pretty sure it won't wash with the jury either.

Why didn't he choose to testify and give his version of events at the time? Because of a fear of further incriminating himself? Because he seems to be doing a good job of that himself in the period leading up to the trial.

[HairOfTheDog]

What a dumb ass. It 's hard to look at him. It looks like he's storing food in his cheeks.

I don't know what's going on with the constant shifting of eyes from side to side.

Bernie needs to calm down, he is scaring the defendant.

This is amusing internal political drama, but so shady.

I don't even get the IT Director's beef. Why the heck did he go to White?

The shit was turned over to the defense in source file format before the IT guy even talked to de la Rionda about it. O'Mara referenced the evidence in question in court; so he already had it.

Why O'Mara is wasting all this time with a weak pursuit of sanctions when he's got a trial starting in 4 days is puzzling. Unless he thinks getting these sanctions will win him a trial delay and what he's desperately hoping for is more time, again.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there's any way Judge Nelson is going to delay trial because the defense contends that they should have had evidence handed over in another format, evidence that has been ruled inadmissable.

[Adub]

Why O'Mara is wasting all this time with a weak pursuit of sanctions when he's got a trial starting in 4 days is puzzling. Unless he thinks getting these sanctions will win him a trial delay and what he's desperately hoping for is more time, again.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there's any way Judge Nelson is going to delay trial because the defense contends that they should have had evidence handed over in another format, evidence that has been ruled inadmissable.

The defense trying to discredit the State. Maybe setting up for an appeal. The defense has been doing this relentlessly since the beginning. A distraction from the real issues. These phone records will not even be allowed in as evidence. It is not exculpatory, so no discovery abuse, anyways. O'M already did this with the W8 lied story months back. The judge did not care then, and she will not care now.

Kruidbos and White both live in a ruralish area that is 90% white and a bunch of gun nuts. Their family roots in the area go back generations. Bunch of racist rednecks hating on the Cuban guy (BDLR) and the Lebanese lady (Corey)?

[ramseycat]

You would think G would lose weight due to stress. Not bulk up like he's eating prime rib every night.

[Adub]

You would think G would lose weight due to stress. Not bulk up like he's eating prime rib every night.

He looks corn fed to me.

[Duchess]

[Adub]

I'm curious, Adub. How do you see George wanting to be a cop as being a motive for murder?

"They were such obedient children. They were such a nice family. The children always said yes ma'am and no ma'am," said Kay Hall.

George Hall, who is a retired Presbyterian pastor, says Zimmerman came back to the area several years ago to ask him to write a recommendation letter for him so he could become a police officer. Rev. Hall did that, but Zimmerman never did become a police officer. And Hall thinks that disappointment may have played a part in the tragedy...


George Hall thinks the Florida shooting may have been Zimmerman's misguided and tragic attempt to prove he could be a cop anyway.

George Hall doesn't buy Zimmerman's explanation that it was self defense. "He is a big boy. He could've taken that younger boy on. Without a gun."

Neither Hall nor his wife ever saw anything that showed violence or racism from the Zimmerman when he grew up here.

"I feel for him, for I feel a lot more for the family of the other boy. They lost a child."


http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.as...yid=198039

[Adub]

Here it is. The big push for a continuance. From Mutt and Jeff.