Cracker...front and center!!!

[Duchess]

*face palm*

Never mind, Dick.

[HairOfTheDog]

Dick, you need to take your semantics issues up with the State Attorney's special prosecutor's office in this case. They have charged George Zimmerman with the crime of second degree murder, against the victim Trayvon Martin. He made be acquitted of the charges. Those charges may be reduced. It may be determined that he acted in self defense.

But, it's a fact, not my interpretation or assumption that Zimmerman has been charged with a crime against a victim at this time. All according to the probable cause affidavit. I'm going with the facts available to us at this time. Not semantics, not personal prejudices, and not unfounded assumptions.

[IMaDick]

Dick, you need to take your semantics issues up with the State Attorney's special prosecutor's office in this case. They have charged George Zimmerman with the crime of second degree murder, against the victim Trayvon Martin. He made be acquitted of the charges. Those charges may be reduced. It may be determined that he acted in self defense.

But, it's a fact, not my interpretation or assumption that Zimmerman has been charged with a crime against a victim at this time. Read the probably cause affidavit. I'm going with the facts available to us at this time. Not semantics, not personal prejudices, and not unfounded assumptions.

No I don't, I can take up my semantics issues right here.

Your conclusions are nothing more than your prejudices in reflection.

Duchess doesn't get it,Cracker doesn't get it,and you don't get it.

Has there been a crime committed? do we know that as a fact?

We have a suspected crime, we have a suspected criminal and we have a suspected victim.

we don't have anything that makes any of those fact yet other than preconceived "even if those preconceived notions are retarded" conclusions.

Is the Victim dead? we know that a young person is dead but has it been proven that he was the victim, We have a man in jail that was arrested on a suspected crime but has it been proven that He committed a crime?

[HairOfTheDog]

No I don't, I can take up my semantics issues right here.

Your conclusions are nothing more than your prejudices in reflection.

Duchess doesn't get it,Cracker doesn't get it,and you don't get it.

Has there been a crime committed? do we know that as a fact?

We have a suspected crime, we have a suspected criminal and we have a suspected victim.

we don't have anything that makes any of those fact yet other than preconceived "even if those preconceived notions are retarded" conclusions.

Is the Victim dead? we know that a young person is dead but has it been proven that he was the victim, We have a man in jail that was arrested on a suspected crime but has it been proven that He committed a crime?

Okay Dick. I do, in fact, get it. I think everyone posting or reading here is aware that this case hasn't gone to trial. Therefore, it's a suspected crime, a suspected victim, etc... I haven't made up my mind on anything, as I've clearly stated. You stating that my not putting "suspected" before the terms "crime" and "victim" makes you more aware of my true opinion than I is a silly assertion.

So, because you are right that at this time and until/unless a jury determines otherwise, this case is about a "suspected" crime: I will use "suspected" in front of "crime" and "victim" in future posts. Your point is valid about the language.

[username]

As far as who threw the first punch, for all we know (and don't know) maybe George approached with his gun out and Trayvon attacked fearing for his life. Would it not be reasonable to defend yourself against someone you believe is chasing you?

Nobody knows for certain what happened in those few minutes. Yet. Hopefully the truth will come out.

[Cynical Ninja]

Trayvon was unarmed Zimmerman was armed, in the UK this makes a difference in fucked up yankee doodle land it doesn't.

[HairOfTheDog]

As far as who threw the first punch, for all we know (and don't know) maybe George approached with his gun out and Trayvon attacked fearing for his life. Would it not be reasonable to defend yourself against someone you believe is chasing you?

Nobody knows for certain what happened in those few minutes. Yet. Hopefully the truth will come out.

This ^ We don't know what happened after Zimmerman pursued Martin. Period. Interesting to read everyone's speculation based on what we do know, but all we know for sure is Travvon was pursued by Zimmerman and was shot dead by Zimmerman.

Dick is correct; we have a "suspected" crime of murder in the second degree by George Zimmerman, against a dead 17 year old, the "alleged" or "suspected" victim, Trayvon Martin. This is what the investigators and prosecutors are contending. They've seen the evidence available. I am very interested in seeing if this case makes it to trial and hearing/seeing that evidence. I too hope the truth comes out.

[Cracker]

As far as who threw the first punch, for all we know (and don't know) maybe George approached with his gun out and Trayvon attacked fearing for his life. Would it not be reasonable to defend yourself against someone you believe is chasing you?

Jesus Christ.

[Cracker]

The Road To Absolution

The long way:

1.) Provide for your kids in a safe environment.
2.) Make sure they get an education.
3.) Raise a good citizen. You will have to monitor their drug use and friends.
4.) Enforce reasonable rules to keep your children from harm.
5.) Punish if you have to, encourage and model good behavior even though nobody makes you.
6.) Know where your kids are.

The short way:

1.) Blame whitey if you don't feel like doing all the work yourself.

[username]

As far as who threw the first punch, for all we know (and don't know) maybe George approached with his gun out and Trayvon attacked fearing for his life. Would it not be reasonable to defend yourself against someone you believe is chasing you?

Jesus Christ.

That was an informative, thoughtful post. Thanks for sharing.

[username]

The Road To Absolution

The long way:

1.) Provide for your kids in a safe environment.
2.) Make sure they get an education.
3.) Raise a good citizen. You will have to monitor their drug use and friends.
4.) Enforce reasonable rules to keep your children from harm.
5.) Punish if you have to, encourage and model good behavior even though nobody makes you.
6.) Know where your kids are.

The short way:

1.) Blame whitey if you don't feel like doing all the work yourself.

I think I heard the older brother is currently attending college? Definitely a fucked up family.

[Adub]

Trayvon was unarmed Zimmerman was armed, in the UK this makes a difference in fucked up yankee doodle land it doesn't.

No it doesn't, evidently. What should make a difference is just who allegedly committed an unlawful act. And why? Trayvon was racially profiled by Zimmerman as being a part of the "assholes" who always get away. That is part and parcel of a depraved, racial mindset.

Zimmerman was screwed by his imagination.

Just how many months had Zimmerman went to bed conjuring up images of being the hero to track down the "assholes" that often got over the back wall?

Dang, those previous 911 calls are damning, imho.

[username]

If Zimmerman had made a racial comment, I might have seen this as racial profiling but apparently he didn't. He might have profiled but it wasn't necessarily a racist act. I heard the Feds are likely to drop their civil rights case soon because there's no evidence race played a factor.

Hope I got that right. I'm not verifying on my damn phone.

[Adub]

it is so obvious from the totality of Zimmermans 911 calls that he, Zimmerman, was hating on the black folk. Atleast as far as his neighborhood went. Zimmerman is a creep.

Or maybe it was his fucking wife's fault. She is the one that ID'd the black kids that had allegedly broke into homes in the neighborhood. She is probably a stupid white bitch. A racist herself.

[username]

i think the walking while black thread is actually a good place to have this conversation. it is on topic and pertinent. but up to you.

I'm going back to the original thread now. I think the point has been made that Cracker can't objectively view this case through her darkie colored glasses.

[JsMom]

Amen User

[Midwest Spy]

The Road To Absolution

The long way:

1.) Provide for your kids in a safe environment.
2.) Make sure they get an education.
3.) Raise a good citizen. You will have to monitor their drug use and friends.
4.) Enforce reasonable rules to keep your children from harm.
5.) Punish if you have to, encourage and model good behavior even though nobody makes you.
6.) Know where your kids are.

The short way:

1.) Blame whitey if you don't feel like doing all the work yourself.

Unfortunately, Cracker, this ^^^^^^^^^^ doesn't sell advertising for CNN.

[Midwest Spy]

As far as who threw the first punch, for all we know (and don't know) maybe George approached with his gun out and Trayvon attacked fearing for his life. Would it not be reasonable to defend yourself against someone you believe is chasing you?

Nobody knows for certain what happened in those few minutes. Yet. Hopefully the truth will come out.

Very idiotic, User. WTF? He had his gun out, so Trayvon decided to attack?

Holy shit!

[Midwest Spy]

it is so obvious from the totality of Zimmermans 911 calls that he, Zimmerman, was hating on the black folk. Atleast as far as his neighborhood went. Zimmerman is a creep.

Or maybe it was his fucking wife's fault. She is the one that ID'd the black kids that had allegedly broke into homes in the neighborhood. She is probably a stupid white bitch. A racist herself.

More idiots still trying to make this a white-black thing instead of a hispanic-black thing.

Sorry, but if you're so naive as to believe that young black men don't commit the majority of crimes, you're an idiot.

[Cracker]

i think the walking while black thread is actually a good place to have this conversation. it is on topic and pertinent. but up to you.

I'm going back to the original thread now. I think the point has been made that Cracker can't objectively view this case through her darkie colored glasses.

If calling me a racist is all you got, and all you heard, that is entirely your problem. I'm not shy discussing racial issues. I don't like many of the things I see and I think people should do better. I was raised in the Great Liberal State of California, too. I started out just like you. Wonder why I'm not a bleeding liberal? Hm.

Everybody who doesn't agree with you must be completely flawed in some way because you are 100% objective. The killing just CAN'T be justified because I am a racist.

I bet Zimmerman was trying to shoot Jesus and Trayvon rescued him. THAT is what really happened.

As far as who threw the first punch, for all we know (and don't know) maybe George approached with his gun out and Trayvon attacked fearing for his life. Would it not be reasonable to defend yourself against someone you believe is chasing you?

Nobody knows for certain what happened in those few minutes. Yet. Hopefully the truth will come out.

Very idiotic, User. WTF? He had his gun out, so Trayvon decided to attack?

Holy shit!

That didn't convince you? RACIST!

stupid white bitch. A racist herself.

RACIST!

I would have pegged you for the Hispanic side. Confused now. You don't like white people or your Mexican neighbor. How do you feel about The Rock?