DEATH PENALTY

[Duchess]

Yea or nay?

[Lady Cop]

surprise! absolutely. when guilt is beyond a doubt.

[username]

I'm going to vote against it largely because of the costs. Let them rot in horrible conditions for all I care but I don't want to pay the exhorbitant costs to prosecute death penalty cases and I doubt there's a legal/safe way to speed up the process to make it cost effective. At least in California.

[Duchess]

I have mixed feelings about it. The dad that just murdered his daughters & called his wife to come home, he should get it immediately, there's zero doubt he's guilty but I'm not always as certain of one's guilt as I am in this instance.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

User that makes no sence. The case has to be prosecuted no matter what. The greatest cost is in babysitting the guilty fuckers for 18 or 20 years while they go through all kinds of appeals.
I think maybe more care should be used in making sure we have the right guy, but once it is determined we do indeed have the right guy, fry his murdering, child raping ass and be done with it

[Lady Cop]

some fine examples here:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4103.html

and here, females on death row:

http://mockforums.net/thread-5873.html?h...+death+row

[HairOfTheDog]

User that makes no sence. The case has to be prosecuted no matter what. The greatest cost is in babysitting the guilty fuckers for 18 or 20 years while they go through all kinds of appeals.
I think maybe more care should be used in making sure we have the right guy, but once it is determined we do indeed have the right guy, fry his murdering, child raping ass and be done with it

I agree. IF there's a solid confession that has been verified and/or if DNA results and all other physical and circumstantial evidence indicate guilt, I've come to the opinion that the death penalty is warranted. If there's less than that and the convict is claiming innocence, then I'm okay with life in prison.

The cost of housing these prisoners into their golden years and with the prison population living longer just like the rest of society, the cost is exorbitant. They get full health care and it ain't cheap.

[Midwest Spy]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows how I feel on this subject.

[Riotgear]

Until the legal system is perfect and there's zero possibility of an innocent person being executed, the only intelligent position is nay.

[username]

User that makes no sence. The case has to be prosecuted no matter what. The greatest cost is in babysitting the guilty fuckers for 18 or 20 years while they go through all kinds of appeals.
I think maybe more care should be used in making sure we have the right guy, but once it is determined we do indeed have the right guy, fry his murdering, child raping ass and be done with it

I snatched this quote from the article that follows:

The state's 714 death row prisoners cost $184 million more per year than those sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.The least expensive death penalty trial costs $1.1 million more than the most expensive life-without-parole case.

Jury selection in a capital case runs three to four weeks longer and costs $200,000 more than in life-without-parole cases.

The state pays up to $300,000 for attorneys to represent each capital inmate on appeal.

The heightened security practices mandated for death row inmates added $100,663 to the cost of incarcerating each capital prisoner last year, for a total of $72 million.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/20/...s-20110620

I think it's all well and good to say if you have a confession or irrefutable evidence, to proceed quickly with the death penalty but that type of reform hasn't occurred in California and I doubt our highly democratic state will ever push it through. JMO. I'd rather spend the money on schools.

[Lady Cop]

Until the legal system is perfect and there's zero possibility of an innocent person being executed, the only intelligent position is nay.

i am quite intelligent thankyou, and i said when there is no doubt. i am very well aware of the poor history of the DP, but thankfully DNA and forensics make cases easier to prove or disprove.

[Riotgear]

Until the legal system is perfect and there's zero possibility of an innocent person being executed, the only intelligent position is nay.

when there is no doubt

That's a pretty damn short list.

[Lady Cop]

Until the legal system is perfect and there's zero possibility of an innocent person being executed, the only intelligent position is nay.

when there is no doubt

That's a pretty damn short list.

not really. i made a career out of murder.

[ramseycat]

I agree with LC. IF there is NO doubt as to the person's guilt, then yes kill them. Or if the guilty party requests it, yes kill them.

Sometimes I do think that it is a worse punishment to let them rot in prison for the rest of their lives. But that has to include NO privilidges. No tv, letters, internet, rec time. They get solitary confinement with very plain bland food and just water. Why should they get to relax in a cell with tv and books and be able to send and receive letters all while getting 3 squares a day?

[HairOfTheDog]

User that makes no sence. The case has to be prosecuted no matter what. The greatest cost is in babysitting the guilty fuckers for 18 or 20 years while they go through all kinds of appeals.
I think maybe more care should be used in making sure we have the right guy, but once it is determined we do indeed have the right guy, fry his murdering, child raping ass and be done with it

I snatched this quote from the article that follows:

The state's 714 death row prisoners cost $184 million more per year than those sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.The least expensive death penalty trial costs $1.1 million more than the most expensive life-without-parole case.

Jury selection in a capital case runs three to four weeks longer and costs $200,000 more than in life-without-parole cases.

The state pays up to $300,000 for attorneys to represent each capital inmate on appeal.

The heightened security practices mandated for death row inmates added $100,663 to the cost of incarcerating each capital prisoner last year, for a total of $72 million.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/20/...s-20110620

I think it's all well and good to say if you have a confession or irrefutable evidence, to proceed quickly with the death penalty but that type of reform hasn't occurred in California and I doubt our highly democratic state will ever push it through. JMO. I'd rather spend the money on schools.

I see your point; thanks for the numbers.

Another thing that I take into account is prison overcrowding and the cost of opening up new prisons that have to house prisoners to older ages with more care. The cost of long term care increases annually. I can see both sides.

I'd like to see lesser penalties for some non-violent crimes and somewhat reluctantly support the DP for irrefutable guilt cases. Right now, the country spends more on incarceration than education. That's messed up, I agree.

[Riotgear]

Until the legal system is perfect and there's zero possibility of an innocent person being executed, the only intelligent position is nay.

when there is no doubt

That's a pretty damn short list.

not really. i made a career out of murder.

Sounds like you might have you 'reasonable doubt' and 'no doubt' mixed up.

[Lady Cop]

Gear: you might have you 'reasonable doubt' and 'no doubt' mixed up

i assure you i don't.
and further, you may be surprised to know i support the Innocence Project.

i don't want to see innocent people executed!

[Riotgear]

Then you might be surprised to find out that I fully support DP under certain ultra specific conditions. Like for instance - Felony entry to my home. Instant death penalty as applied by me.

It's permanent action as applied by The State where I want perfection before I sign on.

In the above scenario I have my good sense (hopefully) and right to stand my ground to rely on. If I make a mistake and unlawfully kill someone I'll stand trial. Seems only fair to demand perfection from The State that demands the same from me. Seeing as how we all know the Justice System isn't perfect and won't be any time soon, the DP is a philosophical wash. For now.

[Donovan]

I think cyanide pills like the one that one guy took ought to be supplied voluntarily to convicted perps at the point of their sentencing. Like the "door number two" option. That way, a lot of those cowards would save us the trouble.

As for innocent victims....ah, fuck 'em. Our current methods of killing people are so humane I might wanna go that way myself. Besides, I really don't like anybody, and the less of them out there breathing up my air the better I like it.

Probably my only neocon fascist tendency...

[Riotgear]

Somewhere IMadick got a semi^