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unemployment and underemployment
#1
i knew this was coming, sorry, pretty long article.
but i feel badly for these people who devoted their lives to NASA and the space center.
my Uncle was a true rocket scientist there at Cocoa Beach, he passed away before this. i know he would have been heartbroken on several levels. the people and the program he devoted his life to.
it's so tough out there.
i feel for the people who have been disappointed in their careers and jobs and educations.

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July 15, 2012

Associated Press

TITUSVILLE, Fla. – A year after NASA ended the three-decade-long U.S. space shuttle program, thousands of formerly well-paid engineers and other workers around the Kennedy Space Center are still struggling to find jobs to replace the careers that flourished when shuttles blasted off from the Florida "Space Coast."

Some have headed to South Carolina to build airplanes in that state's growing industry, and others have moved as far as Afghanistan to work as government contractors. Some found lower-paying jobs beneath their technical skills that allowed them to stay. Many are still looking for work and cutting back on things like driving and utilities to save money.

"Nobody wants to hire the old guy," said Terry White, a 62-year-old former project manager who worked 33 years for the shuttle program until he was laid off after Atlantis landed last July 21. "There just isn't a lot of work around here. Or if so, the wages are really small."

White earned more than $100,000 a year at the end of his career at the space center. The prospects of finding a job that pay anywhere near that along the Space Coast are slim.

"I could take an $11-an-hour job that is 40 miles away," he said "But with gas prices and all that, it's not really worthwhile."

More than 7,400 people, who once had labored on one of history's most complicated engineering achievements, lost their jobs when the shuttle program ended last July. While other shuttle workers in Houston, New Orleans and Huntsville, Ala., lost jobs, those areas had bigger economies to absorb the workers. In less economically diverse Brevard County, the mainly contractor positions cut by NASA accounted for just under 5 percent of the county's private sectors jobs.

The Kennedy Space Center's current workforce of 8,500 workers is the smallest in more in than 35 years. In the middle of the last decade, the space center employed around 15,000 workers.

James Peek, a 48-year-old quality inspector for the shuttles, has applied for 50 positions with no success since he was laid off in October 2010. He has taken odd jobs glazing windows for a luxury hotel in Orlando and working as a security guard. He has no health insurance and incurred a $13,000 bill when he was hospitalized for three days last May.

"With most companies, it's like your application goes into a black hole," Peek said. "We're struggling to stay afloat."

Jobless space workers have signed up for Brevard Workforce's job placement and training services. Slightly more than half of the 5,700 workers the agency has been able to track have found jobs, but more than a quarter of those positions were outside Florida. Those jobs have been in the fields of engineering, mechanics and security, according to the agency.

Brevard County's unemployment rate spiked in the months that the shuttle program wound down, going from 10.6 percent in April 2011 to 11.7 percent in August 2011. It has since declined to 9 percent, a result of a smaller workforce as many former shuttle workers either moved away or retired earlier than planned. Brevard County has added 2,700 jobs since the beginning of the year, but many are in the southern part of the 72-mile-long county where information technology giant Harris Corp. and airplane-maker Embraer are located. Jobless space workers in the northern part of the county jokingly refer to those high-tech workers as "their rich cousins."

Some local employers are finding that the former space workers' salary demands are sometimes too high.

"STOP sending former Space Center employees," one employer wrote to Brevard Workforce, the local job agency, in a comment included in its monthly committee report. "They have an unrealistic salary expectation."

Taxpayer money allocated for job training programs for displaced space shuttle workers also is dwindling a year after the program ended.

Adding to the difficulties of finding a new job is the age of many of the former shuttle workers. Many spent their entire careers working on the space shuttles and are now in their 50s and 60s.

In between sending out resumes and meeting at networking events, many of the space workers are volunteering at Kennedy Space Center, giving tours to dignitaries and providing oral histories to tourists who stop by the Vehicle Assembly Building.

Even though many of the older space workers like White had years to plan for the end of the shuttle program, they stuck around, hoping to prepare the orbiters for displays in museums in Florida, Los Angeles and Washington after the program ended. They expected younger shuttle workers to move over to the successor Constellation program whose goal was to send astronauts to the moon and then Mars. But the cancellation of the Constellation program in 2010 increased the competition for those few jobs left prepping the shuttles.

Some shuttle workers, such as Kevin Harrington, had been holding out hope that the program announced after Constellation's demise — a heavy-lift rocket system that would launch astronauts in an Orion space capsule — would offer immediate widespread job opportunities. But the plans announced last year won't have unmanned test launches of the Space Launch System for another five years, and the first manned mission won't be for about another decade.

Private-sector companies, such as Paypal founder Elon Musk's Space X, are starting unmanned launches from Kennedy Space Center, but their need for workers doesn't come close to what was required for the shuttle program.

"We expected a little more action from our government, at least in figuring out what direction we're going to go in," said Harrington, 55, who worked on the shuttles' thermal protection system earning about $80,000 a year. "Ultimately, that would inform which direction we would go in. A lot of us thought, since we have such deep roots in the community, we could wait it out. It was hopeful at first. Now it isn't so hopeful. Things aren't moving fast."

Many of the former space workers find camaraderie and job tips each Friday at the weekly breakfast of the Spacecoast Technical Network, a group created by former Kennedy Space Center workers. Just hours before 70 members dined on eggs, biscuits and coffee at a recent meeting, three Chinese astronauts parachuted back to Earth in a capsule halfway around the world. For the space workers, it was yet another sign of the growing competition facing the United States as a leader of space exploration. At the moment, the United States has no way of sending astronauts to space in its own vehicles, and NASA is relying on the Soviet-made Soyuz capsules to send U.S. astronauts to the international space station.

One of the network's founders, Bill Bender, recently joined more than two dozen other colleagues working on a reconnaissance project for a contractor in Afghanistan where they are earning six-figure annual incomes.

Bender had been out of work for about a year from his job on the cancelled Constellation program when he took the one-year contract to work halfway around the world.

"As the months passed, I began to realize the hard reality that things I had known and taken for granted no longer existed. Stable work, good pay, benefits, etc. were no longer a reasonable expectation," Bender wrote in a recent email from Afghanistan. "As time went by and it was getting closer to a year without a job ... the (Afghan) opportunity looked better and better. The money was very good due to compensation for hardship and danger."

Those who have remained on the Space Coast without jobs are cutting back on small luxuries. Harrington has trimmed back on eating out and vacations.

Al Schmidt, who worked 27 years at the space center, has cut back on using his car and utilities at home to save money. The 60-year-old's unemployment benefits are running out soon, and without a new U.S. space program offering ready-to-go jobs, he is contemplating retirement, something he doesn't want to do.

"I live day to day. I can't afford new cars or lots of groceries," Schmidt said. "From where I sit, there is nothing coming online soon enough to resolve my problem."


















































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#2
some history:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4719.html

NASA was a big part of my family's life.

















































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#3
That's sad. I don't really understand why they ended what seemed to be a successful program. Does ending it mean we're done (at least for the foreseeable future) visiting the space station and such?
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#4
Might have something to do with that UM skunkworks shuttle that's still up there AFAIK.
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#5
Unfortunately, it seems those "highly paid" workers never thought it would ever come to an end. Thus, not considering ever saving for a rainy day, & or even eventual retirement. Sad not being able to drive their car, & or having to cut back on utilities. 55, 60, 62, what were they thinking?
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#6
Plus it's a real bitch to go out to eat less and hold off on vacations.
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#7
there is still some activity at the Cape. much of it commercial.

the Orlando Sentinel has an excellent ongoing section on space/the Cape here:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/

some topics--->

'Extreme' solar flare erupts, looks like storm is headed to Earth
Space drone returns to Earth after 469 days on orbit (Video)
Astronomers find fifth moon at Pluto
Doubts linger about space station's science potential
Private company will work with NASA equipment
Is Gingrich's 'grandiose' space vision realistic?
NASA races to find tenants for vacant shuttle facilities
NASA set to launch big new Mars rover nicknamed 'Curiosity'
Report: Former shuttle astronaut killed in Jet Ski accident
NASA plans an Orion test launch in 2014
After several delays, Delta IV rocket lifts off at 9:15 a.m.
NASA may extend Russian contract to fly to space station
Atlas V rocket lifts off from Cape Canaveral
Former shuttle workers face uncertain future
Atlas V rocket launch from Cape Canaveral delayed until Wednesday
Blurred vision plagues astronauts who spend months in space


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the Deep Space Climate Observatory, mothballed several years ago, might go up after all. (NASA rendering)

















































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#8
this thread wasn't meant to be only about the plight of NASA people, but anyone who has employment woes. feel free to post.

















































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(07-15-2012, 05:03 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: this thread wasn't meant to be only about the plight of NASA people, but anyone who has employment woes. feel free to post.

Except Clang.
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#10
Hope and change..........Dramaqueen
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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#11
(07-15-2012, 06:27 PM)Maggot Wrote: Hope and change..........Dramaqueen

It was Bush who decided to end the shuttle program I think.
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#12
Right, it's not just the shuttle program people who are jobless. My SIL got this great job 5 years ago in Mo, where he had to relocate his whole family there, from FL. Three weeks ago, out of the blue, he got laid off from that great job. His career was specialized in the NCAA field, for the last 12 years. There are no other jobs in the entire state in that field. Therefore, he now needs to look outside his comfort zone. And start looking to take an extreme reduction in salary to start over in some other field. His $2,200 /mo mortgage still remains the same. So depending on how much of a reduction, will determine how fast things may/will become difficult.
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#13
I am one of those guys that dedicated a lot of time in a career only to have it snatched away. I worked for the same company for 16 years, they transferred me to Florida in 95. I was making Very good money, benefits, stocks, company cars etc.. Then, Someone invented "Outsourcing" They sold us off like a bunch of runaway slaves, I was shocked that it came up to my level. The contract company that picked us up had a seriously diminished beni package, no contributions, 5 days of vac after a year (I had 5 weeks before), lasted 18 months and then got laid off. I put in well over 300 applications, all over the place. The companies that did need guys like me could get a guy half my age and pay him 13 what I made. He could do half the job but in their math it worked out.
I finally had to go to work swinging a hammer and doing whatever I could get. I kept the bills paid like that for 4 years. Made it on word of mouth, personal recommendations, house painting, sprinklers, landscaping, babysitting rich folks houses. Finally about 4 years ago I got back in cellular, but only making 34 of what I should and no benefits. Got to fight tooth and nail these days, but back in and doing ok. This deal I am on now will keep me working at home for maybe 2 years, then see what happens.
I know a Lot of guys lost cars, houses, everything. Its a hard world out there now.
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