Fuck Muhammad!!!

[Mohammed]

What the heck does .... IMO mean?

Yes, not only should they have been locked up, but what I wonder about is that it seems there is a nice cache of AK's in France. I wouldn't even know whom to talk to in Germany, or maybe I should try walking into a Mosque in Frankfurt or Berlin and ask around. It's really not easy getting your hands onto one, quite impossible really, or at least it was supposed to be that way.

Forget Hebdo. Let's talk about targets and the increase of sophistication in their operations.

You talk like we are not afraid to be targets, it's because nobody reads such here, and we sure won't change our life styles because of these nutcases. Yet, it is America that had the biggest change of life style on the planet. A sign on Doha airport states "All Passengers please arrive 2 hours before Check In. Except Passengers to the United States who should arrive 3 hours before."

The first and original target was the botched attempt at the World Trade Center parking lot. It reminds me of the first suicide bomber here in town who threw himself on top of the Korean Ambassadors Car with something resembling a large firecracker. Fuck all happened. Just like the poor guy they loaded on a plane with explosive panties. They each burned their balls, but that was it.

But then they learned. And learning they do.

East Africa, Tanzania and Kenya, US Embassies. They had progressed and arrived with a bang. After that came 9/11. And the World could not believe it. You bet you changed your life style! Not you as per se, but your Government sure did. From useless suicide bombers they progressed to taking down 120 soldiers during a parade, walking into the Defence Minsitry here and gunning down anybody who they walked into, including the German GM of the GIZ, the last attack a few days back. They have sure learned!

So what are they actually after? Recognition, honour, glory. And some, especially those on top, money.

What would it need to have something "awesome" happening in the US nowadays? Some Fanatic walking thru New York shooting down folks? You got the Blacks doing that, you got high school kids doing more damage in their school than any decent fanatic could ever achieve. It would be just another day in the States. However, try to run a publication like Hebdo, and sure enough NOW you would have a target. Taken out in the most "honourable" way, now THAT's something that people might talk about. Or like in France, go onto the Streets by the millions. And heavenly glory is guaranteed! Among their brethren at least. So for the States you would need something seriously big. Shooting a few folks? Pffft, any good and decent American can do that very much by him or herself.

America knows that. Here for instance the Drone program is having some funny side effect, which is why it is also so popular. The Arab or tribal way is simply if you walk into my house and shoot my family, I, or my tribal brothers, will now hunt down you or your family and tribe, and do the very same thing. Easy. Now with the Drones however, even so they know who is actually behind it, they still don't have anything tangible, as in a real person, hence are left highly confused with what to do. They can not retaliate. However, of course if now somebody comes along and grooms that hatred and gives it a target among the tribes, many a young man will go then and join the ranks of those fighting America, which is mainly Al Qaeda.

Funnily enough, the banner of the Houtis, which by now is all over the place, on walls, next to roads, says in its first two sentences "Death to Israel, Death to America", yet, Al Qaeda and the Houtis hate each other with a passion.

Anyway, back to the Fanatic Muslim problem.

ISIL has attracted many. How did they become so powerful in so many ways? Veteran fighters who have been in Pakistan and Afghanistan say they have not many anything as organized, coordinated, well equipped and clearly highly trained as them. And those Afghan Mujahedin sure kicked some ass! The Kurds are shocked! Bless them.

The British told the Americans they are making a big mistake shortly after they put their former close buddy Saddam up the rope. All his Generals and Officers came from one side. The Americans installed the other. So basically all of a sudden you have a jobless and pissed off army with fuck all to do. Same thing happened to Khomeini shortly after he took over Iran. He almost wiped out all the Generals and Officers of the 5^th largest army on the planet that time, as they all belonged to the Shah. Thank God Saddam shortly after started a war with Khomeini, resulting in Khomeini calling many a General down from the chopping block so to please fly those planes and lead the left overs from the army. Surely they wouldn't mind as they were about to die shortly anyway. True story.

So back to ISIL and all this radical movement. You got a huge capable pissed off military that has everything an army dreams about. Know how, equipment, detailed knowledge of where the country keeps its weapons and what are the weak spots, now add a bit of radicalism and propaganda to it, and many a rich Arab will send you a monthly check, sponsored by the never ending need for oil by mainly America and West European countries. The irony!

No, you as in a country, were the first and harshest to change your life style. that's for sure.

But just like me, your Government learned what to watch out for and to kick ass, whereby Europe is still what I consider full of tree huggers. I just have to look around here. Not a single American with any of the UN organizations. Apart from the lone lunatic raving reporter who falls into that same category, i.e. Luke, you will not find any Yank moving around here anymore. The only ones are with the US Embassy, and that place got turned into a fucking castle!

But Europeans? All of our UN friends are from there, Asia or Middle East. We must help this poor place. Look at how beautiful it could be. Surely if we help enough there will be some change, some hope. Fuck it I say.

What to do? I have not the slightest idea. At least not right now as I'm going to join Jade now in the bathtub, then get up at 4am to fly out into the desert to check our camps for a week. To me it's simply all just dirty business. If there is an office in the States that would bring out a few million people onto the streets if they shoot it down, trust me, it is being considered right now! White House would be a dream come true. But those are well known and watched over by your security guys. I actually think they must have slapped themselves when they heard about those lone lunatics that managed to get into it.

"Mashalla Ahmed, surely if some silly infidel can walk into that place of evil like into a shopping mall, why not one of us?!"

"Because of the beards Ali, because of the beards."

Seriously, what the heck does IMO mean?

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm looking forward to reading your post later, Mo. Unfortunately, I have some unpleasant business to attend to this morning.

For now: IMO just means "in my opinion". I'm weird about not positioning as fact what is really only opinion.

[Mohammed]

Don't you worry darling, it's 9pm here and I'm just getting ready for bed as I'll be getting up at 4 :(

IMO I'll be back in a week. I hope

[HairOfTheDog]

I do believe that moving forward France will invoke harsher penalties for terrorist-related activity of any kind. They'd be foolish not to do so.

⁹⁄₁₁ woke up the American population; we were, in general, ignorant and complacent in regards to Islamic extremism and terrorist activities before those concepts literally came crashing in on us, right before our eyes. So, there's more screening at the airports now, as there probably should have been before the attack on the Twin Towers. But, extra minutes at airport security does not equate to a "significant change in lifestyle", it's an occasional minor inconvenience.

I don't know if I'm representative of the American population on the whole, but ⁹⁄₁₁ didn't instill fear in me and hasn't affected the way I live my life. I don't personally know anyone who has restricted his/her personal freedoms because of that event. However, it did increase my interest and awareness of extremism outside American borders and how it affects the lives of those in other countries (and how it affects global politics as well).

You, on the other hand, are busy trying to avoid becoming a victim by remaining a moving target. I see that as a major change in lifestyle caused by fear (wisely so) of extremists.

I completely agree with your contention that extremists/terrorists have learned from experience and have benefited from exploiting technologies (internet, social media); technologies which actually symbolize some of what they claim to abhor in western society. They are more effective at global recruiting and gaining wide scale exposure than they were 15 years ago; no doubt about it. And, yep, Mr. Baghdadi and some of his rival contemporaries are making big bucks off the ignorant loyalty, desperation and murderous acts of their followers.

At the same time, I think the rest of the world has learned more about them and how to deal with them too. We can have this type of exchange on an internet forum and, presumably, people reading along generally know about terrorist hotbeds; are familiar with terrorist groups like IS, Qaeda, Boko Haram; have a basic awareness of Muslim doctrine, etc... And, governments and national security forces know more about how terrorist organizations and cells operate and how to guard against them too. We don't understand everything about the extremists, nor they about us. We are not immune to attack from them; nor they from us. But, we sure do know a hell of a lot more about each other than we did just a couple of decades ago, on both a micro and macro level.

You're high when you claim that America is so violent in day to day life that an attack by Islamic extremists would virtually go unnoticed in the United States, Mo. The bombing (in the name of Islam) of the Boston Marathon by an American citizen and his older brother was quite terribly "awesome". So too was the mass shooting/murders of American soldiers by a radicalized American Army Major and psychiatrist. Surely you heard about those attacks, no?

In regards to your claim that if America had a Charlie Hebdo type publication it would give Islamic terrorists a note-worthy target that is currently non-existent, that's some major bullshit you're spewing, mi amor. As I said upthread, America as a country and Americans as a people are already glaring targets for Islamic extremists/avengers -- the terrorists haven't exactly kept that secret. While old-school satirical print publications like Charlie Hebdo aren't part of American culture today, a terrorist looking for the kind of honour and glory that you describe has plenty of high profile potential targets on US soil -- for example, Fox news stations around the country, Anti-Muslim politicians in different states, major geographical landmarks in key U.S. cities, etc...

Anyway, I believe that terrorism is here to stay, at least for the forseeable future. Terrorists are becoming more sophisticated, and their designated foes are becoming more aggressive in defending against terrorist acts. And so it goes and goes. Sometimes terrorist organizations, cells, and lone wolves succeed in racking up a high body count with surprise attacks. Even with the best security and most vigilant intel, the element of surprise can't be avoided altogether.

The fact that the major terrorist groups and Islamic sectors in the Middle East are fighting against each other for power and wealth is an advantage to the West, for sure. I don't think the Shiite and Sunni Muslims will be motivated to put aside their fights with each other to join forces against non-Muslims in the near future, if ever. They've been going at if for ages. But, yeah, western societies do need to remain aware of possible repercussions for engaging in wars and conflicts in Islamic countries, poking fun at Muhammad, and continuing to speak freely against terrorism at the hands of Islamic extremists. That doesn't mean significantly changing our lifestyles or negotiating our freedoms, as you continue to insist -- that's just not happening from my perspective, Mo. I instead see people uniting in protest against extremist/terrorist strikes and more committed than ever to protecting our freedoms and lifestyles, even though that sometimes means loss of innocent lives.

[Duchess]

Charlie Hebdo's first cover since the murders. According to what I read, the man who penned this is still alive only because he overslept last week.

The French newspaper Liberation has given a home to the surviving staff where they are reported to be working under heavy guard.

"Tout est pardonne,'' which translates into English as all is forgiven.

[Maggot]

I think that the extreme terrorist groups target the un-educated young population of various countries. They also target the vulnerable that may have had a family member killed or people they know that were close that were killed. As more are killed more lean towards the "cause" over the years the ones that were 8-12 years old and have seen family members killed not knowing the reasoning behind their death but just knowing they died at the hands of the any western devils.
Their educational levels are at a 3^rd grade level and emotion begins to play an ever enveloping roll in their lives. They see their brothers signed on and hear the stories of their cause and want to be part of the movement, any movement no matter how radical, once a person kills it becomes easier to do without moral intervention. They are not killing because its bad but because it is the "right" thing to do in their misunderstanding of righteous deeds.
Thus the ranks of the death squads grow filled with young impressionable servants that are directed safely from behind the steel curtain. The only way I can see of squashing this is to go to the younger generation and try and change the mindset before it becomes sour, and that takes years to do. It needs to start from within and from the good Muslims that are not filled with hate. But they are scared and until they band together and come up with something more attractive than the Daesh have to offer times will remain on edge.

[Duchess]

I wish there were more politicians like this. I can support this attitude -

The Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam has said Muslim immigrants who do not appreciate the way of life in Western civilisations can 'fuck off'.

Ahmed Aboutaleb, who arrived in the Netherlands aged 15, spoke out in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last week.

Appearing on live television just hours after the shootings, Mayor Aboutaleb said Muslims who 'do not like freedom can pack your bags and leave'.

Story

[HairOfTheDog]

This is an interesting panel discussion with Bill Maher, Salman Rushdie and a couple of others.

It covers several of the topics and questions touched upon in this thread in the wake of the French terrorist attacks.



Very worthwhile watch/listen.

Maher's feelings on Islam -- "when there's this many bad apples, there's something wrong with the orchard."

Elsewhere last week, extremist Islamic Nigerian terrorists Boko Haram killed an estimated 2,000 people in Baga. 2,000 people. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/09/africa...-violence/

I keep wondering what that international coalition of experts who went to Nigeria to help officials there combat terrorism and bring back the kidnapped schoolgirls are doing.

[Duchess]

Very worthwhile watch/listen.

Yes, it was. I always find Bill and his panels interesting & funny and I almost always agree with him. Today was no different.

[Duchess]

Not only fuck Muhammad but fuck those Jew bitches too. They digitally removed the female leaders that participated in the march in Paris the other day. They claim they did so as to not offend some of their readers. Whatta crock of shit.

This is the original photograph -



...and this is it after being altered.



They suck ass.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Tantamount to the same bullshit the muslims are doing, Denying women the places they have earned and perpetuating the hate, discontent and prejudice against women. All while wrapping it up in a veil of piety and religion.

[Duchess]

Now some Muslims are calling for the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists to be hanged immediately. They are calling their latest cover the worst act of terrorism. Bitch please.

[Duchess]

John Kerry took James Taylor to France with him where James sang, "You've Got A Friend".

[Maggot]

I wonder if Kerry cried.

[Mohammed]

But, extra minutes at airport security does not equate to a "significant change in lifestyle", it's an occasional minor inconvenience.

I don't know if I'm representative of the American population on the whole, but ⁹⁄₁₁ didn't instill fear in me and hasn't affected the way I live my life. I don't personally know anyone who has restricted his/her personal freedoms because of that event. However, it did increase my interest and awareness of extremism outside American borders and how it affects the lives of those in other countries (and how it affects global politics as well).

You're high when you claim that America is so violent in day to day life that an attack by Islamic extremists would virtually go unnoticed in the United States, Mo. The bombing (in the name of Islam) of the Boston Marathon by an American citizen and his older brother was quite terribly "awesome". So too was the mass shooting/murders of American soldiers by a radicalized American Army Major and psychiatrist. Surely you heard about those attacks, no?

In regards to your claim that if America had a Charlie Hebdo type publication it would give Islamic terrorists a note-worthy target that is currently non-existent, that's some major bullshit you're spewing, mi amor. As I said upthread, America as a country and Americans as a people are already glaring targets for Islamic extremists/avengers -- the terrorists haven't exactly kept that secret.

Anyway, I believe that terrorism is here to stay, at least for the forseeable future. Terrorists are becoming more sophisticated, and their designated foes are becoming more aggressive in defending against terrorist acts. And so it goes and goes. Sometimes terrorist organizations, cells, and lone wolves succeed in racking up a high body count with surprise attacks. Even with the best security and most vigilant intel, the element of surprise can't be avoided altogether.

The fact that the major terrorist groups and Islamic sectors in the Middle East are fighting against each other for power and wealth is an advantage to the West, for sure. I don't think the Shiite and Sunni Muslims will be motivated to put aside their fights with each other to join forces against non-Muslims in the near future, if ever. They've been going at if for ages. But, yeah, western societies do need to remain aware of possible repercussions for engaging in wars and conflicts in Islamic countries, poking fun at Muhammad, and continuing to speak freely against terrorism at the hands of Islamic extremists. That doesn't mean significantly changing our lifestyles or negotiating our freedoms, as you continue to insist -- that's just not happening from my perspective, Mo. I instead see people uniting in protest against extremist/terrorist strikes and more committed than ever to protecting our freedoms and lifestyles, even though that sometimes means loss of innocent lives.

Of course you yourself don't change your daily life much. Why would you, you have a huge sponge of safety around yourself and your day. Once the radicals would think about attacking gays in the name of Islam, that might change so and San Francisco would be right there on top of the list with Sydney and Cape Town.

Considering the size of the States and its population, your chances of being a victim in a terrorist attack are less than you falling out of bed and dying from that. Sort of like a Scandinavian teenager getting all paranoid because of the attacks in London and Spain that time. However, ironically they also got a bit terrified by an attack right from the other side of the spectrum.

No, you yourself and about 85% of your citizens do not see any change, however, check your army, your foreign service, those that work in the airline business, and lately anybody on Capitol Hill it seems. And yes, if you would have a publication like Hebdo, those too. An individual needs to have a certain level to be a target, so 95% of you don't matter. An American in America is pretty much just .... well, an American in America. It would look a bit silly I guess, even so somewhat amusing, if some Muslims all of a sudden pop up in Chicago and state "We just kidnapped an American here, fuck yeah baby! We are off now to Dunkin Doughnuts!"

But such is not the case for your Foreign Service people, who most probably had the biggest change of their former life styles, as I was very much part of that over here to make that happen.

From moving around town, living in wonderful compounds or private 3 story villa's, being part of social events, they are all on lockdown now and either sleep right in their offices at the Embassy or have been moved into the old Sheraton here, where the Department tried to upgrade it as good as possible, but during the initial stage, my time, it was equivalent of taking you out of a luxurious mansion with pool and putting you into a cardboard box that started growing new life forms. On the in and outside!

No my gorgeous crab cake munching beauty, as long as you are not close to anything that could be a target, which are right on the other side of your country mainly, unless of course Hollywood will bring out a movie about Mohammed played by Ali G, I don't think the West Coast will be in any danger. And I'm sure happy about that!

Don't go any further East than the western boarder of Ohio and you should be fine. And the South is safe of course. From the Muslims at least.

[aussiefriend]

John Kerry took James Taylor to France with him where James sang, "You've Got A Friend".

If James Taylor and John Kerry had sung "Mockingbird" I would have been more impressed.

[Duchess]

Don't go any further East than the western boarder of Ohio and you should be fine.

I live on the East Coast.

[Mohammed]

I don't think they are after cute girls riding around stoned on a horse farm, so you should be ok I think.

Don't call your horse Muhammad so, that might change everything!

[Duchess]

Don't call your horse Muhammad so, that might change everything!

Whew. Good thing I call them all punkin'.

[FAHQTOO]

Don't go any further East than the western boarder of Ohio and you should be fine.

I live on the East Coast.

I live 15 miles West of the Western Ohio border, so I'm good....it was nice knowing you Duchess...