GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Blindgreed1]

I quit. I should know better than getting into a discussion with you about guns. Unless I look at things from your point of view I will never be right.

Yeah. And Unless I look at things from your point of view I will never be right.

No, you're just never right, but thanks for playing.

[crash]

I quit. I should know better than getting into a discussion with you about guns. Unless I look at things from your point of view I will never be right.

Yeah. And Unless I look at things from your point of view I will never be right.

No, you're just never right, but thanks for playing.

What is that stupid thing you Americans say about I know you are but what am I or some shit

[crash]

And nice sticking up for your bud there, although I thought he was packing enough guns to look after himself.

Maybe Zero was right..

[Maggot]

....................I see pea soup.

[Blindgreed1]

And nice sticking up for your bud there, although I thought he was packing enough guns to look after himself.

Maybe Zero was right..

There's nothing wrong with two men sharing a warm embrace Crash. There is something wrong with your photoshop skills though.

[crash]

I didn't photoshop anything, just copied the link..

[F.U.]

You are quite the comedian there crash.

[Blindgreed1]

I didn't photoshop anything, just copied the link..

So we found yet another thing that you suck at. Great work in here today folks!

[Duchess]

Just so everyone knows - I am editing the chop out of the posts involved. I don't want my Members pix on the open board. Y'all can take this to any of the private forums if you are so inclined. Carry on...

[crash]

I didn't photoshop anything, just copied the link..

So we found yet another thing that you suck at. Great work in here today folks!

Ooo...a bit of butt hurt? Bit close to the truth?

Bah..the only thing we found is that you suck at comprehension, well reconfirmed really, and you feel the need to jump in at every turn and defend your gun toting buddy, FU.

You and crayla would make a great couple; you know, grasps on reality at about the same level and all..

[Maggot]

Fucking Crash! You bastard! No soup for you!

[Mohammed]

I believe the good thing about America is that as for the average citizen it doesn't matter whatever happens as long as it doesn't do so on your front lawn, and regarding the size of the country it can manage to absorb a lot of shit that way, as it simply keeps most in a happily ignorant bliss, which again, I believe is a good thing.

[HairOfTheDog]

Just to clarify, ^ that number of firearm deaths in the U.S. over the decade includes suicides, Mo.

Suicides by self-inflicted gunshot wounds are still firearm deaths, of course. I'm only clarifying because I've noticed that there's a tendency for people to think "homicide" when they see "firearm deaths" and the majority of firearm deaths in the U.S. are actually suicides.

In any event, even when suicides are removed from the equation, the U.S. is, unfortunately, still the most violent gun culture in the developed world by far.



I disagree with you about ignorant bliss being a good thing when it comes to gun violence in this country, but I'm not sure there wasn't a healthy dose of facetiousness in that comment.

Anyhow, I think the firearm analysis charts and comparisons at Vox are really interesting: http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun...es-america

[Blindgreed1]

I didn't photoshop anything, just copied the link..

So we found yet another thing that you suck at. Great work in here today folks!

Ooo...a bit of butt hurt? Bit close to the truth?

Bah..the only thing we found is that you suck at comprehension, well reconfirmed really, and you feel the need to jump in at every turn and defend your gun toting buddy, FU.

You and crayla would make a great couple; you know, grasps on reality at about the same level and all..

Swing and a miss. Again... Is this your first time on the internet? Here's some more interesting data points for your crusade of how successful Australias gun laws are:
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

[Mohammed]

Now that's not what those guys say on that link HotD put up.

5) Other developed countries have had huge successes with gun control

In 1996, a 28-year-old man walked into a cafe in Port Arthur, Australia, ate lunch, pulled a semi-automatic rifle out of his bag, and opened fire on the crowd, killing 35 people and wounding 23 more. It was the worst mass shooting in Australia's history.

Australian lawmakers responded with new legislation that, among other provisions, banned certain types of firearms, such as automatic and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. The Australian government confiscated 650,000 of these guns through a gun buyback program, in which it purchased firearms from gun owners. It established a registry of all guns owned in the country and required a permit for all new firearm purchases. (This is much further than bills typically proposed in the US, which almost never make a serious attempt to immediately reduce the number of guns in the country).

The result: Australia's firearm homicide rate dropped by about 42 percent in the seven years after the law passed, and its firearm suicide rate fell by 57 percent, according to one review of the evidence by Harvard researchers.

Now, it's difficult to know for sure how much of the drop in homicides and suicides was caused specifically by the gun buyback program. Australia's gun deaths, for one, were already declining before the law passed. But Harvard's David Hemenway and Mary Vriniotis argue that the gun buyback program very likely played a role: "First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates."

One study of the program, by Australian researchers, found that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people correlated with up to a 50 percent drop in firearm homicides, and a 74 percent drop in gun suicides. As Vox's Dylan Matthews noted, the drop in homicides wasn't statistically significant. But the drop in suicides most definitely was — and the results are striking.

[Blindgreed1]

Now that's not what those guys say on that link HotD put up.

5) Other developed countries have had huge successes with gun control

In 1996, a 28-year-old man walked into a cafe in Port Arthur, Australia, ate lunch, pulled a semi-automatic rifle out of his bag, and opened fire on the crowd, killing 35 people and wounding 23 more. It was the worst mass shooting in Australia's history.

Australian lawmakers responded with new legislation that, among other provisions, banned certain types of firearms, such as automatic and semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. The Australian government confiscated 650,000 of these guns through a gun buyback program, in which it purchased firearms from gun owners. It established a registry of all guns owned in the country and required a permit for all new firearm purchases. (This is much further than bills typically proposed in the US, which almost never make a serious attempt to immediately reduce the number of guns in the country).

The result: Australia's firearm homicide rate dropped by about 42 percent in the seven years after the law passed, and its firearm suicide rate fell by 57 percent, according to one review of the evidence by Harvard researchers.

Now, it's difficult to know for sure how much of the drop in homicides and suicides was caused specifically by the gun buyback program. Australia's gun deaths, for one, were already declining before the law passed. But Harvard's David Hemenway and Mary Vriniotis argue that the gun buyback program very likely played a role: "First, the drop in firearm deaths was largest among the type of firearms most affected by the buyback. Second, firearm deaths in states with higher buyback rates per capita fell proportionately more than in states with lower buyback rates."

One study of the program, by Australian researchers, found that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people correlated with up to a 50 percent drop in firearm homicides, and a 74 percent drop in gun suicides. As Vox's Dylan Matthews noted, the drop in homicides wasn't statistically significant. But the drop in suicides most definitely was — and the results are striking.

I don't rely on what "guys say" as facts Mo. The statistics I posted are validated.

[HairOfTheDog]

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

^ ^ Gunnar's text was copied and pasted from this source: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/?Article_ID=17847

The NCPA is an anti-governmental regulation organization. The source for the six year old NCPA cut and paste was a cut and paste from an Austin Examiner article posted on a website called Free Republic; content written by American anti gun-control activist/writer Howard Nemerov.

Anyway, here are the statistics for Australia's violent crime from 1996 through 2012 direct from the Australian Institute of Criminology: http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vi...ntCol.html

[Mohammed]

Of course and I sure agree with you. Now here is one thing that I see in a seriously gun crazy country.

Yemen. After the US the country with the second biggest gun ownership on the planet. Sure, right now it's a war going on here, so casualties are somewhat expected, but lets look at it otherwise. 3 year old boys in the village handle an AK or Glock. It is part of growing up and I would say you got an average of 3 AK's per house. Weapons are simply part of daily life and are casually carried around all across the country and supermarkets.

But yet, you will not find any sort of mass shootings, kids going on a rampage in their schools, or even adults going mad with them. Now why is that? It's a serious question I have. Where is the obvious difference?

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't rely on what "guys say" as facts Mo. The statistics I posted are validated.

All data/stats in the VOX piece and charts are directly sourced within the piece http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun...es-america

When you copy and paste text from somewhere else, Gunnar, it would be appreciated if you would acknowledge/link the original source. I'm not being anal, just careful about infringement issues.

[Duchess]

just careful about infringement issues.

Thank you for being on top of that!