MURDERED: 8 yr old Leila Fowler - 12 yr old brother charged

[Jimbone]

Or Slingblade 2: Electric Boogaloo

[RJs-Ex]

It's telling that the dad says he won't believe his son is guilty until he "sees proof" (paraphrased). To me, he's saying he believes his son is guilty, but he doesn't think it will be proven. Otherwise, he'd just say, "My son is innocent."

Does anyone know how far away the bio-mom (Priscilla?) lives from her kids? I mean, is she in the same town, or nearby? TIA.

[Midwest Spy]

I just wonder how long that poor little 8-year old lived in fear of her big brother.

As many have stated, he's probably been this way his whole life.

She'd probably been scared of him for as long as she could remember.

No one there to protect her.

Complete bullshit.

[Adub]

It's telling that the dad says he won't believe his son is guilty until he "sees proof" (paraphrased). To me, he's saying he believes his son is guilty, but he doesn't think it will be proven. Otherwise, he'd just say, "My son is innocent."

Does anyone know how far away the bio-mom (Priscilla?) lives from her kids? I mean, is she in the same town, or nearby? TIA.

I'm pretty sure she lives in Stockton. It is about an hour away.

And when a juvenile is locked-up, the detectives don't tell the parents much. I think the arrest came as a shock. They probably took the kid in for questioning, took him back into an interview room, and made the parent wait out front. Then one of the detectives came out front, and told the waiting parent that their son was being taken into custody. And that he would be able to call home as soon as he was booked. Dad wanted to know what the hell went on in the backroom.

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks, Adub.

Do you have any idea whether Barney is the bio-dad to all of the children and who the bio-moms are for each?

TIA.

[HairOfTheDog]

The suspect was arraigned in juvenile court today.

He was asked several times by the judge if he understood the charges against him and he answered, “Yes,” each time, KXTV reported

The boy was ordered to remain in custody. He is due back in court May 29.

His attorney commented to reporters that he hasn't seen any incriminating evidence from the prosecutors.

[Adub]

Thanks, Adub.

Do you have any idea whether Barney is the bio-dad to all of the children and who the bio-moms are for each?

TIA.

I don't really know. But, Crystal does have one or two of her own. One for sure, and he is like 10 or 11. The five-year-old boy may be Barneys, and then the 2-year-old is Barney and Crystals.

Barney had four kids when he got with Crystal. With Justin being the oldest and Leila being the youngest. I think Leila and Isiah were Priscilla's only two kids with Barney. But, the teenage girl may be Barney and Priscilla's, very confusing.

But Crystal wants to be called The Mom by all of them. I think Crystal is a bitch. I read some of her shit-talking on fb.

[Eat Shit And Die]

That is one fucked up family tree.

[username]

The kid is 12. He's a child still. I imagine his family and his upbringing were majorly fucked up. I'm not excusing what he did but I think LE will find that this kid had a completely dysfunctional childhood.

[LytoMe]

Under law here, I am not sure about CA, a parent or guardian has to be present for all questioning of a minor. They can not just take a 12 year old in the back and question him, a "legal" parent has to be with him. Meaning the BIO Dad or the BIO Mom. The so called "step mom" would not be allow by law.

Has ANYONE said why they search the lake or pond area? They had to have known something to have such a search in that area.

[Adub]

Under law here, I am not sure about CA, a parent or guardian has to be present for all questioning of a minor. They can not just take a 12 year old in the back and question him, a "legal" parent has to be with him. Meaning the BIO Dad or the BIO Mom. The so called "step mom" would not be allow by law.

In CA, juveniles can be, and are, questioned without a parent in the room. They make the parents wait out front.

[LytoMe]

Under law here, I am not sure about CA, a parent or guardian has to be present for all questioning of a minor. They can not just take a 12 year old in the back and question him, a "legal" parent has to be with him. Meaning the BIO Dad or the BIO Mom. The so called "step mom" would not be allow by law.

In CA, juveniles can be, and are, questioned without a parent in the room. They make the parents wait out front.

That is so shocking. We have won many cases, because the officer never waited for the parent, or guardian.

I am anxious to find out what he had to say, 12 year old against a trained Officer.

[Adub]

And, they don't have to tell the Juvenile about Miranda until he's arrested. Or just before. So the detectives can work on him to tell them what they want, and then tell him about Miranda as they are cuffing him up.

[LytoMe]

And, they don't have to tell the Juvenile about Miranda until he's arrested. Or just before. So the detectives can work on him to tell them what they want, and then tell him about Miranda as they are cuffing him up.

But can they use a juvenile's statement before he is read his Miranda rights?

[Adub]

And, they don't have to tell the Juvenile about Miranda until he's arrested. Or just before. So the detectives can work on him to tell them what they want, and then tell him about Miranda as they are cuffing him up.

But can they use a juvenile's statement before he is read his Miranda rights?

Yes, there was just a Supreme Court case that decided just that. As long as the kid is not in custody, only being questioned, it is assumed that he is free to leave. If he asks for his parents, or an attorney, the questions have to stop until a parent or attorney is present. Short of that, it is all good. But, we'll see. I was surprised that the hearing was open to the public. Juvenile Court is usually closed to family only. I guess murder opens it up to the public.

[LytoMe]

And, they don't have to tell the Juvenile about Miranda until he's arrested. Or just before. So the detectives can work on him to tell them what they want, and then tell him about Miranda as they are cuffing him up.

But can they use a juvenile's statement before he is read his Miranda rights?

Yes, there was just a Supreme Court case that decided just that. As long as the kid is not in custody, only being questioned, it is assumed that he is free to leave. If he asks for his parents, or an attorney, the questions have to stop until a parent or attorney is present. Short of that, it is all good. But, we'll see. I was surprised that the hearing was open to the public. Juvenile Court is usually closed to family only. I guess murder opens it up to the public.

I would assume that Murder would open it up, and it is a public case now. I know, that even trying to locate a juvenile document it is almost impossible!

[HairOfTheDog]

Yes, there was just a Supreme Court case that decided just that. As long as the kid is not in custody, only being questioned, it is assumed that he is free to leave. If he asks for his parents, or an attorney, the questions have to stop until a parent or attorney is present. Short of that, it is all good. But, we'll see. I was surprised that the hearing was open to the public. Juvenile Court is usually closed to family only. I guess murder opens it up to the public.

The news earlier in the week said that the hearing would be closed, but then I came across a couple of pieces with the 12 year old, Isaiah's, name mentioned and quotes from the courtroom. Guess this explains it.

So, this was from a Calaveras County radio station's website yesterday:


The lawyers (Plesser and Reichel), Stepmom Crystal Walters, and Dad Barney Fowler

Isaiah Fowler walked into court dressed in a green jumpsuit.

Defense attorney Steven Plesser says there are still many questions.

"Why do the police think the minor did it, what forensic evidence is out there, how solid is it, how is it possible for a 12 year old to commit an offense like this, and how could a 12 year old commit an offense like this in such a way that would not lead to an immediate arrest."

The boy's mother and father sat in court, and defense co-counsel Mark Reichel spoke for them.

"Like any good family this is extremely problematic for them, I can tell you they love all of their children, like every good family, they love all of their children," said Reichel.

Isaiah cannot be tried as an adult, but the judge said he could be confined until his 23^rd birthday if he's found guilty. No plea was entered by the defense, and the hearing has been continued until May 29^th.
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The suspect's lawyers are stressing the close, loving family bit for the record, imo. Truth, damage control, expectations of charges against other family members? Who knows.

I too am interested to learn if there is a history of authorities (police or CPS) being dispatched to the home.

NOTE: Since the 12 year old's name is now being used by some mainstream media (MSM), no problem using it at Mock.

[LytoMe]

Still curious how the attorney is being paid, I KNOW we do not not court appearances or even Letters of representation without a NICE chunk of change down! That is where all the money went from the donations I am sure.

[HairOfTheDog]

Still curious how the attorney is being paid, I KNOW we do not not court appearances or even Letters of representation without a NICE chunk of change down! That is where all the money went from the donations I am sure.

Possibly some of the donation money and some pro-bono work as well?

Here's the attorneys' website, LytoMe.

http://www.reichelplesser.com/

Wonder if they've handled anything even close to this case in the past?

[Adub]

Still curious how the attorney is being paid, I KNOW we do not not court appearances or even Letters of representation without a NICE chunk of change down! That is where all the money went from the donations I am sure.

Possibly some of the donation money and some pro-bono work as well?

Here's the attorneys' website, LytoMe.

http://www.reichelplesser.com/

Wonder if they've handled anything even close to this case in the past?

I've looked. No murders that I have seen. They do seem to advocate for drug dealers and drunk drivers and domestic abusers. They are probably doing it for the TEE VEE time. But a retainer is probably not more than $5,000 and can be made in payments. Like a $1,000 a month. I already don't like them.