(08-08-2012, 03:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: more from the source of the last couple emails i posted:

(posts: #22161 & 22165)

a friend of Cameo's.
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I do believe that if Sam did have something to do with this he would have rolled on the true killers as soon as he was told he was looking at death. He is a good dad to his kids. And I truely don't think he would take that from his kids if he didn't have to.
O n before I forget. Just bc the cigarette butt had cameos DNA on it doesn't mean he smoked it. They never mentioned whether it was saliva or any other form of DNA. His could of transferred just by pulling the cigarette out of the pack n handing it to another person. Just thought I'd share that bit of info. As for the Clarke's n their crazy Rantings I think they are threatening the wrong ppl, they n I mean maytee needs to lay off the fb n get on the phone n start threatening the detective that messed this whole investigation up n didn't do his job period. Accused an innocent person from a cigarette, I do wonder that detective feels the least bit of guilt for taking damn near a yr of his life away from his children especially after meeting them n seeing how much they love their father
As for cameos alibi I think his phone records pretty much covered that. N I know ppl will say o well his phone was on the eastside don't mean he was. But anyone that knows cameo knows he don't leave anywhere without his phone not even to go to the bathroom.

(08-08-2012, 07:43 AM)queen bitch Wrote: How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 07:43 AM)queen bitch Wrote: How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

(08-08-2012, 12:53 PM)Sean69 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 07:43 AM)queen bitch Wrote: How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

Are you F'N kidding me?! Put a rubber over your head and snap out of it! Better yet, have someone duct tape your hands and legs and then snap out of it!

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did and has questions of when he is gonna see him or why he can only talk to him for a certain amount of time compared to seeing him every other weekend. ...... my son wakes up every morning excited for a piece of mail to come from his father. ....yes the whole case is sad and unbelievable but at the end of the day it affects way more people then everyone thinks. ... yes it was a very horrible thing that ha happened to Johnny and Lisa but they were grown adults who lived a life they lived and took the chances they took by living that life. ...what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did

Greenfrog:
what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????
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Thanks for being here Greenfrog.

it's always children who suffer in criminal cases where a parent ends up absent from their lives. they are totally innocent and sympathetic.

IN GENERAL living a criminal life does not include looking ahead to consequences...for anyone in their lives. parents, spouses, siblings, kids, friends. thug life IN GENERAL does not consider the future.
i am not speaking of any one person in particular. i mean anyone in the drug thug, murder & robbery life. Johnny and Lisa didn't have children...but maybe they would have. maybe they would have grown out of drug use. they did have siblings and parents whose hearts are broken forever.

anyone who parents the child of an imprisoned parent has great challenges. they need to focus any anger on the person who caused the situation. who didn't live a straight clean life for their child(ren). and teach them to live a decent productive life. that is the only way to overcome the bad. they need solid standards to live by and firm boundaries.

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

(08-08-2012, 04:49 PM)LoserCity Wrote: But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

(08-08-2012, 02:09 PM)Green Ribbon Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did and has questions of when he is gonna see him or why he can only talk to him for a certain amount of time compared to seeing him every other weekend. ...... my son wakes up every morning excited for a piece of mail to come from his father. ....yes the whole case is sad and unbelievable but at the end of the day it affects way more people then everyone thinks. ... yes it was a very horrible thing that ha happened to Johnny and Lisa but they were grown adults who lived a life they lived and took the chances they took by living that life. ...what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????

I do have sympathy for your son and I can imagine is going to be difficult to have that conversation with him in the future as to where/why his father is where he is in his life.

I don't obviously know what your relationship was like with Sam, however posters on here have read his police record and it isn't pretty, so they are obviously going to base their/our opinions on what we have read.

I get what you are saying about Johnny and Lisa, but I'd add no one (or at least very few people ) deserve to die by the choices they make in life and in this instance I don't believe their choices should have ended up with them dying in the horrible way they did. Remember no one likes to hear victim blaming.

Can you tell us more about Lisa and Johnny's life choices? What were they doing that would have put them at risk in your opinion?

Why didn't Sam say to his lawyer that he was there buying pills if that was the case?

Anyhow, I wish you the best in bringing up your son, its obviously not going to be easy given what has happened, but if you can bring him up on the straight and narrow and teach him that there are different choices in life to what his father has made, then you will have done a good job.

(08-08-2012, 02:25 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did

Wow. I had no idea that someone so closely associated to Sam was in Mock. Thank you very much for participating, I know it couldn't have been easy for you to come here & post and I really appreciate that you've taken the time to do so. I say that sincerely.

(08-08-2012, 04:49 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

(08-08-2012, 08:07 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 04:49 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

Yes u are very right what he wanted when he wanted but what he did do meant the world to him then and still does to this day and yes I had to choose either stick with him and let our son see us fight and argue or leave and Sammy jr would not have his perfect family with his mom and dad

(08-08-2012, 02:33 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: AMEN!!! to the two previous posts.

(08-08-2012, 02:25 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did

Wow. I had no idea that someone so closely associated to Sam was in Mock.