(08-08-2012, 03:07 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: more from the source of the last couple emails i posted:

(posts: #22161 & 22165)

a friend of Cameo's.
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I do believe that if Sam did have something to do with this he would have rolled on the true killers as soon as he was told he was looking at death. He is a good dad to his kids. And I truely don't think he would take that from his kids if he didn't have to.
O n before I forget. Just bc the cigarette butt had cameos DNA on it doesn't mean he smoked it. They never mentioned whether it was saliva or any other form of DNA. His could of transferred just by pulling the cigarette out of the pack n handing it to another person. Just thought I'd share that bit of info. As for the Clarke's n their crazy Rantings I think they are threatening the wrong ppl, they n I mean maytee needs to lay off the fb n get on the phone n start threatening the detective that messed this whole investigation up n didn't do his job period. Accused an innocent person from a cigarette, I do wonder that detective feels the least bit of guilt for taking damn near a yr of his life away from his children especially after meeting them n seeing how much they love their father
As for cameos alibi I think his phone records pretty much covered that. N I know ppl will say o well his phone was on the eastside don't mean he was. But anyone that knows cameo knows he don't leave anywhere without his phone not even to go to the bathroom.

N I'd like to say regarding alibi for Cameo doesn't impress me. N I think everywhere Cameo go Newport Cigarette go with him.

N now that you have made us aware that Cameo is such a loving father, has he got a job yet?

Detective Jeff Kozak got them! and he's coming after the rest of the vermin, I for one am grateful to the man.

How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

(08-08-2012, 07:43 AM)queen bitch Wrote: How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 07:43 AM)queen bitch Wrote: How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

Are you F'N kidding me?! Put a rubber over your head and snap out of it! Better yet, have someone duct tape your hands and legs and then snap out of it!

(08-08-2012, 12:53 PM)Sean69 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 07:43 AM)queen bitch Wrote: How can Sam be a good father? He is a piece of shit! Abusive, wanna be pimp, drug dealer! Those are facts! Sam has only seen his youngest son a very few times... who is this joker who wants to make Sam look so good? CSB wouldn't even let him near the hospital when the baby was born... Sam deserves to rot in that prison! Truthfully he is a sorry piece of shit! Again, IMO!

As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

Are you F'N kidding me?! Put a rubber over your head and snap out of it! Better yet, have someone duct tape your hands and legs and then snap out of it!

Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did and has questions of when he is gonna see him or why he can only talk to him for a certain amount of time compared to seeing him every other weekend. ...... my son wakes up every morning excited for a piece of mail to come from his father. ....yes the whole case is sad and unbelievable but at the end of the day it affects way more people then everyone thinks. ... yes it was a very horrible thing that ha happened to Johnny and Lisa but they were grown adults who lived a life they lived and took the chances they took by living that life. ...what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did and has questions of when he is gonna see him or why he can only talk to him for a certain amount of time compared to seeing him every other weekend. ...... my son wakes up every morning excited for a piece of mail to come from his father. ....yes the whole case is sad and unbelievable but at the end of the day it affects way more people then everyone thinks. ... yes it was a very horrible thing that ha happened to Johnny and Lisa but they were grown adults who lived a life they lived and took the chances they took by living that life. ...what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????

I do have sympathy for your son and I can imagine is going to be difficult to have that conversation with him in the future as to where/why his father is where he is in his life.

I don't obviously know what your relationship was like with Sam, however posters on here have read his police record and it isn't pretty, so they are obviously going to base their/our opinions on what we have read.

I get what you are saying about Johnny and Lisa, but I'd add no one (or at least very few people ) deserve to die by the choices they make in life and in this instance I don't believe their choices should have ended up with them dying in the horrible way they did. Remember no one likes to hear victim blaming.

Can you tell us more about Lisa and Johnny's life choices? What were they doing that would have put them at risk in your opinion?

Why didn't Sam say to his lawyer that he was there buying pills if that was the case?

Anyhow, I wish you the best in bringing up your son, its obviously not going to be easy given what has happened, but if you can bring him up on the straight and narrow and teach him that there are different choices in life to what his father has made, then you will have done a good job.

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did

Wow. I had no idea that someone so closely associated to Sam was in Mock. Thank you very much for participating, I know it couldn't have been easy for you to come here & post and I really appreciate that you've taken the time to do so. I say that sincerely.

AMEN!!! to the two previous posts.

Greenfrog:
what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????
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Thanks for being here Greenfrog.

it's always children who suffer in criminal cases where a parent ends up absent from their lives. they are totally innocent and sympathetic.

IN GENERAL living a criminal life does not include looking ahead to consequences...for anyone in their lives. parents, spouses, siblings, kids, friends. thug life IN GENERAL does not consider the future.
i am not speaking of any one person in particular. i mean anyone in the drug thug, murder & robbery life. Johnny and Lisa didn't have children...but maybe they would have. maybe they would have grown out of drug use. they did have siblings and parents whose hearts are broken forever.

anyone who parents the child of an imprisoned parent has great challenges. they need to focus any anger on the person who caused the situation. who didn't live a straight clean life for their child(ren). and teach them to live a decent productive life. that is the only way to overcome the bad. they need solid standards to live by and firm boundaries.

perhaps maytee will be allowed in court to give victim impact statement.
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here's a preview:

RIP Johnny
about a minute ago via mobile
Iam so sorry dear johnny and lisa i so wish i could turn back the hands of time and have you both here with us again i hate those evil sick selfish demons that stold you from us im going totally crazy lost insane here with all thats happened ;,,((( idk how to deal or accept any of this sick shit i just want to wake up from this most horrible worst nightmare and have you here with us and your baby
;,,((( i cnt stand not being able to talk to you to hear your voice to smell your scent to hear your laughter to hug and kiss you I MISS EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU DAMMITTTT I WILL NEVER BE OKAY this is totally unacceptable for me i cnt stand it my heart is broken beyond this world it bleeds for you with every beat i miss you with every aching breath i take ;,,(((( i hate those evil sick selfish demon sewer rats bastards cowards that took you from us!!!!!! But them SOBs will all drop for the count NOONE is getting away with so much evil.GOD SEEN IT ALL! I LOVE YOU FOREVER I WILL SEE YOU BOTH AGAIN MY SWEET LOVES ;,,((( </3 </3 AND I PROMISE YOU I WONT STOP TILL EVERYONE INVOLVED IS CAUGHT AND DEAD!!!!!

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

(08-08-2012, 04:49 PM)LoserCity Wrote: But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

On his own terms like every uneducated moron looking to make a quick buck.


Hmmm, I thought this was all over! LOL

(08-08-2012, 02:09 PM)Green Ribbon Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did and has questions of when he is gonna see him or why he can only talk to him for a certain amount of time compared to seeing him every other weekend. ...... my son wakes up every morning excited for a piece of mail to come from his father. ....yes the whole case is sad and unbelievable but at the end of the day it affects way more people then everyone thinks. ... yes it was a very horrible thing that ha happened to Johnny and Lisa but they were grown adults who lived a life they lived and took the chances they took by living that life. ...what about the young and innocent ones who have no clue on what someone else's choices has done to effect the rest of their life's.......does anyone have a input on that????

I do have sympathy for your son and I can imagine is going to be difficult to have that conversation with him in the future as to where/why his father is where he is in his life.

I don't obviously know what your relationship was like with Sam, however posters on here have read his police record and it isn't pretty, so they are obviously going to base their/our opinions on what we have read.

I get what you are saying about Johnny and Lisa, but I'd add no one (or at least very few people ) deserve to die by the choices they make in life and in this instance I don't believe their choices should have ended up with them dying in the horrible way they did. Remember no one likes to hear victim blaming.

Can you tell us more about Lisa and Johnny's life choices? What were they doing that would have put them at risk in your opinion?

Why didn't Sam say to his lawyer that he was there buying pills if that was the case?

Anyhow, I wish you the best in bringing up your son, its obviously not going to be easy given what has happened, but if you can bring him up on the straight and narrow and teach him that there are different choices in life to what his father has made, then you will have done a good job.

Thank you yes when the day is to come when my son has questions it will be very difficult to explain to him the situation all I can do is sit back and help him through it and let him know he is not alone......and as far as the life Johnny n Lisa lived from what I have heard from people who were close to Lisa that Johnny exposed her to a different world than what she knew. .drugs...drug money...and once u get exposed to that world it like a vacuum cleaning to a carpet all the money just sucks u right in fast money like everyone heard one time or another money makes the world go round once someone runs out they try to find anyway to get some or they feel a emotion of depression wishing they had money...if u sell drugs u know everyday waking up u have many risk of getting robbed. ..getting raided....getting set up by undercover. ...debts with people you can't pay....getting killed for quick cash......theres always risk u take hanging out with people that sell drugs owe money to people maybe even that are known as snitches ...... just like if u are a person who is a drug addict u have the risk of getting bad dope or overdosing or stealing to try to get ur next fix......I just firmly believe if u chosen to live any of those lives those are the risk and chances u take everyday

As for Sam saying if he was there to buy pills I could not answer that we strictly talk about our sons life

(08-08-2012, 02:25 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did

Wow. I had no idea that someone so closely associated to Sam was in Mock. Thank you very much for participating, I know it couldn't have been easy for you to come here & post and I really appreciate that you've taken the time to do so. I say that sincerely.

Thank you it was a pleasure to join and read the crazy thing is I was reading this case from the beginning along time ago not knowing the outcome. And by means I hope no one feels I am defending Samuel actions in this case. ....and yes he did have a lot of dv charges they were mostly threats it was around the time when we were separated but not divorced yet because I went through legal aid so I was put on a waiting list but once we was.divorced and got Visitation settled we were back on communication level for the sake of our son

(08-08-2012, 04:49 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

Yes u are very right what he wanted when he wanted but what he did do meant the world to him then and still does to this day and yes I had to choose either stick with him and let our son see us fight and argue or leave and Sammy jr would not have his perfect family with his mom and dad

(08-08-2012, 08:07 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 04:49 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 11:37 AM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: As far as I am concerned Samuel Williams SR did the best he could as a father beings the life he was living he did provide for his son and visit his son and took his son every weekend that was his weekend in my eyes he has been there as much as he could until up to the point but he does put a effort into sending his son pictures to color help him write his name play tic tac toe together. Because at the end of the day it not none of his innocent kids.fault be choosed to live the life he was living but they have to pay the ultimate price

But you were smart and knew enough to get yourself away from Sam Williams SR. knowing the life he was living...Doing "the best that he could" is NEVER enough for a child. The best that he could would have been to stop being a pimp, stop messing with drugs, moving away from the East Side where his co-horts and enemies were. Doing the best that he could would have meant going to school and getting a real job that he paid taxes on. Doing the best that he could would have meant walking a straight line. He didn't do the best that he could. He did the best that he WANTED to do.

Yes u are very right what he wanted when he wanted but what he did do meant the world to him then and still does to this day and yes I had to choose either stick with him and let our son see us fight and argue or leave and Sammy jr would not have his perfect family with his mom and dad

greenfrog, I get the gut feeling you just don't know what to do and you do not want to let go of the past. Lady Cop gave you good solid advice in her post about parenting whilst daddy is incarcerated.

Frankly, it is all up to you! you need to use your God given common sense. I would distance myself from the whole mess right now. I would not be taking my little boy to some Prison to visit him either. You need to move on with your life and have your new husband adopt him.

(08-08-2012, 02:33 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: AMEN!!! to the two previous posts.

Damn, the RIP was like reading a Shakespeare soliloquy on speed.

^^

I'm in shock right now but :: Greenfrog.

(08-08-2012, 02:25 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-08-2012, 01:23 PM)greenfrog1437 Wrote: Well since u seem to know the answers to everything about Sam's personal life maybe u can help me cope with dealing with my six yr old who has no clue what his father did

Wow. I had no idea that someone so closely associated to Sam was in Mock.

I find it a bit disconcerting. But then her fb is open to the public, so I feel like I know her already