(02-15-2011, 10:45 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 09:25 PM)rotten_cotton Wrote: Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub These alleged threats are NOT being made through Facebook but in person in the Ohio area. They are NOT being made by people who are guilty of the crime. I don't know why you guys can't get that straight. The alleged threats are being made by people to people who the people think are involved in the murder, not by the murderers or their friends.
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(02-15-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 04:03 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

True. This was reported by a friend of Lisas who said that JC punched Lisas roommate in the stomach which caused Lisa to break her lease with the roommate & move back in with her parents in Nov/Dec 2010. The roommate reportedly never filed a complaint with LE out of respect for Lisa

What's interesting is that while looking at Lisas police record under the Sylvania mucipal court website I noticed that the last time Lisa was pulled over & issued a citation was January 14, 2011 for running a red light & her address was listed as a residence on PLUMLEAF in Toledo. Not in Holland or Springfield twnship with her parents. I just chalked it up to not updating her address on her license & not telling LE that she no longer lived there. Now I'm wondering if Lisa did live with her parents afterall & if maybe that's why Maytee kept saying that "They" were house sitting for her parents.......

I've wondered about this, as well. It's not clear, to me, where anybody actually resided. On top of that, the reporting from The Toledo Blade is so shitty, all of the articles read like they were written by high school students.

(02-15-2011, 11:35 PM)pspence Wrote: I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...

(02-15-2011, 11:40 PM)efyou Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:35 PM)pspence Wrote: I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...

That's a good point. However, T's story doesn't jive. She went by and saw the house ransacked. You'd call 911 right?

One thing I'm not sure of though since it's been a while since I heard the 911 tapes.. did T ever say the ransacked thing or did Maytee say T said that to her?

(02-15-2011, 11:19 PM)fabulous Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 04:58 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 04:03 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

True. This was reported by a friend of Lisas who said that JC punched Lisas roommate in the stomach which caused Lisa to break her lease with the roommate & move back in with her parents in Nov/Dec 2010. The roommate reportedly never filed a complaint with LE out of respect for Lisa

What's interesting is that while looking at Lisas police record under the Sylvania mucipal court website I noticed that the last time Lisa was pulled over & issued a citation was January 14, 2011 for running a red light & her address was listed as a residence on PLUMLEAF in Toledo. Not in Holland or Springfield twnship with her parents. I just chalked it up to not updating her address on her license & not telling LE that she no longer lived there. Now I'm wondering if Lisa did live with her parents afterall & if maybe that's why Maytee kept saying that "They" were house sitting for her parents.......

I've wondered about this, as well. It's not clear, to me, where anybody actually resided. On top of that, the reporting from The Toledo Blade is so shitty, all of the articles read like they were written by high school students.

the address on Plum Leaf is either an apartment or a duplex type house.... it's actually very close to the Holland/Srpingfiled twp area.
that's probably where she lived when she was living with a girlfriend...and JC "punched" the roomate in the stomache...or something like that!

(02-15-2011, 11:51 PM)jenjen Wrote: I found a picture on FB of TW and some friends. One of the friends in that pic also has a FB page, on it there are two profile pictures of him. In one he's holding an automatic rifle & in the other he has a 40 ounce beer DUCT TAPED to each hand!

Tried and tried to copy the pic & was unsuccessful, darn if I could figure it out :(

(02-16-2011, 12:48 AM)jenjen Wrote: No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!

(02-16-2011, 12:48 AM)jenjen Wrote: No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!

(02-16-2011, 12:54 AM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 12:48 AM)jenjen Wrote: No, it was on another FB page. If I could figure out how to copy and paste it I would post it....I've been trying for the last hour, getting frustrated!!!

use a program called "SNAGIT"

(02-16-2011, 12:20 AM)DickTracy Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:40 PM)efyou Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:35 PM)pspence Wrote: I really don't think that T had anything whatsoever to do with any of this and she is getting a bad wrap ...she was trying to help...what if she asked for Johnny's family's phone # repeatedly and was not given it...she did everything she could...can't any of you remember how when you were teens and even tho you were worried about something or someone, you didn't want to send the cops over when chances are it was nothing....could get all your friends mad at you because they could get caught smoking pot or whatever...I think when the truth comes out everyone one will be shocked ...I'm just guessing but I think that crime was a hit... a revenge crime for someone they thought was a snitch - the robbery was secondary....most important was sending a msg to others to keep their mouths shut or this could happen to you...I'm just guessing about all this but it upsets me because everyone is blaming T and she was just trying her hardest to get a hold of J's parents because she was worried...she tried and tried to help... let's not convict anyone until the truth comes out...

That's a good point. However, T's story doesn't jive. She went by and saw the house ransacked. You'd call 911 right?

One thing I'm not sure of though since it's been a while since I heard the 911 tapes.. did T ever say the ransacked thing or did Maytee say T said that to her?

Hello All! Been checking the site out, and I have to say it's the BEST by far!

I do believe when TW told the dispatcher she had went by, and mentioned something about the cupboards (I could be wrong, since I heard um so many times). So if TW didn't tell her this, how did Maytee know they where ransacked since it was prior to the door being kicked in and when police was there they didn't see anything?

(02-04-2011, 11:08 PM)LT_RN Wrote: I new the forum but very interested in this case. I live not far from the area and am myself a graduate of SHS (in fact graduated with Lisa's sister). After looking at all of the posts, I found the 911 calls from John's mother on the FB page dedicated to the young couple.

911 Call #1

911 Call #2

911 Call #3

I agree that Johnny's mother knows more, something just isnt matching up. And if you listen closely in call #2 she reveals the girl was the couple was going to pick up.[/align]

(02-16-2011, 12:58 AM)rotten_cotton Wrote: unfolding now on justice.........

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
I see that Tiffany Williams has "liked" our page. I am wondering, Tiffany, if you would be willing to answer some questions. In advance, I would like to warn everyone that anyone who posts any negative comments about Tiffany, or attacks her on this page, will be banned on the spot. This is our opportunity to ask her some questions!
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The first question I have is this:

Did you tell anyone, prior to Johnny's dad lifting someone up to look in the window, that the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open? If yes, who did you tell this to?
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xxxxxxxxl Totally agree, no bashing, lets just get first hand information. :-)
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(02-16-2011, 01:06 AM)efyou Wrote:

(02-16-2011, 12:58 AM)rotten_cotton Wrote: unfolding now on justice.........

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
I see that Tiffany Williams has "liked" our page. I am wondering, Tiffany, if you would be willing to answer some questions. In advance, I would like to warn everyone that anyone who posts any negative comments about Tiffany, or attacks her on this page, will be banned on the spot. This is our opportunity to ask her some questions!
4 minutes ago
3 people like this.

Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The first question I have is this:

Did you tell anyone, prior to Johnny's dad lifting someone up to look in the window, that the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open? If yes, who did you tell this to?
2 minutes ago

xxxxxxxxl Totally agree, no bashing, lets just get first hand information. :-)
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Person that runs it will be closing it for the night.