(02-15-2011, 04:01 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

and I don't think BD was ever arrested for assault.

Maybe not that assault but Sylvania court dockets say otherwise

EDIT: Sorry no BD wouldn't have been arrested for the assault on the roommate because it was reportedly done by JC not BD. However BD does have a record of a assault, I believe. Hence why he was ordered to do anger managment.

Newest from the Justice for JC & LS page:

I would like to say we have been judging TW because of the murders. However, I need to point out she relentless sought to find out why Lisa and Johnny weren't answering their phones until SOMEBODY would LISTEN to her and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Continued first comment.
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The ONLY reason we are all suspecting her is because of what Johnny's mother's claim TW set up Johnny and Lisa. Let's step back and consider what TW DID do rather than what she didn't do!
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1.) TW repeatedly attempted to contact Lisa and Johnny
2.) TW went to Lisa Straub's parent's house
3.) TW was still concerned when they wouldn't answer the door
...4.) TW called a friend asking her to contact Johnny's parents
5.) TW drove to Lisa's parent's house as soon as she could
6.) TW remained at Lisa's parent's house after the police arrived
7.) According to TW's boyfriend, TW offered to take a lie detector testSee More
10 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub We do NOT know for a FACT TW told Johnny's mother the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open. If you listen to the 911 tapes, TW NEVER says anything about seeing the house ransacked and the cupboards open. Johnny's mother is the one who claimed this is what TW told her.
The only thing TW did not do was call 911 when she heard Johnny say something to the effect of "Why are you here?"

Johnny's mother told a reporter she misquoted TW, that TW never said "Who are you?"
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The Justice for Johnny and Lisa page has taken to defending TW, assuming everything a known liar (lied to police in the past) said is true.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/justice.for.johnny.and.lisa

"I would like to say we have been judging TW because of the murders. However, I need to point out she relentless sought to find out why Lisa and Johnny weren't answering their phones until SOMEBODY would LISTEN to her and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!"

(02-15-2011, 04:11 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Newest from the Justice for JC & LS page:

I would like to say we have been judging TW because of the murders. However, I need to point out she relentless sought to find out why Lisa and Johnny weren't answering their phones until SOMEBODY would LISTEN to her and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Continued first comment.
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Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub The ONLY reason we are all suspecting her is because of what Johnny's mother's claim TW set up Johnny and Lisa. Let's step back and consider what TW DID do rather than what she didn't do!
12 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 2 peopleLoading....Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub XXXXXXXXXX

1.) TW repeatedly attempted to contact Lisa and Johnny
2.) TW went to Lisa Straub's parent's house
3.) TW was still concerned when they wouldn't answer the door
...4.) TW called a friend asking her to contact Johnny's parents
5.) TW drove to Lisa's parent's house as soon as she could
6.) TW remained at Lisa's parent's house after the police arrived
7.) According to TW's boyfriend, TW offered to take a lie detector testSee More
10 minutes ago · LikeUnlike.Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub We do NOT know for a FACT TW told Johnny's mother the house was ransacked and the cupboards were open. If you listen to the 911 tapes, TW NEVER says anything about seeing the house ransacked and the cupboards open. Johnny's mother is the one who claimed this is what TW told her.
The only thing TW did not do was call 911 when she heard Johnny say something to the effect of "Why are you here?"

Johnny's mother told a reporter she misquoted TW, that TW never said "Who are you?"
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Makes one wonder who the page is owned by? TW herself? AG? She's taking everything TW said as gospel.

Sorry, you and I cross posted Freshbait.

(02-15-2011, 04:12 PM)netsleuth Wrote: The Justice for Johnny and Lisa page has taken to defending TW, assuming everything a known liar (lied to police in the past) said is true.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/justice.for.johnny.and.lisa

"I would like to say we have been judging TW because of the murders. However, I need to point out she relentless sought to find out why Lisa and Johnny weren't answering their phones until SOMEBODY would LISTEN to her and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!"

Weird isn't it? I wonder what happened to cause them to change their tune

i am not accusing tiffany of murder. i was clear throughout that she provided an alibi and diversion for herself however. it is a common belief in LE that the last person who saw the victim is usually involved in some way. that may or may not always be true. but until LE says differently, i believe she supplied a BIG FAT RED HERRING FOR SOME REASON.

(02-15-2011, 04:14 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 04:12 PM)netsleuth Wrote: The Justice for Johnny and Lisa page has taken to defending TW, assuming everything a known liar (lied to police in the past) said is true.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/justice.for.johnny.and.lisa

"I would like to say we have been judging TW because of the murders. However, I need to point out she relentless sought to find out why Lisa and Johnny weren't answering their phones until SOMEBODY would LISTEN to her and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!"

Weird isn't it? I wonder what happened to cause them to change their tune.

I wonder if they were ever legit?

This is just a thought & not directed at anyone.

I can see why a witch hunt could consume entire towns back in the day. I say that as someone who recently posted that none of these bitches deserve any rights.

(02-15-2011, 12:13 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:46 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 11:28 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: "central security documents were found"

Are these documents to the home security system? Or some other type of securities? Sorry if it was asked...

I've been wondering the same thing and the central security documents are somehow linked to the DVD. Also curious about the cardboard boxes and foreign currency seized...might these items all be related somehow? Has there been any mention of LS parents' occupation? And lastly, is anyone else suspicious of the pink/black interband pants found under LS neck...

I found this on the Toledo Central Security website, under the residential:

"We also offer video surveillance systems for the home. Once the system is installed, if you have a DSL or Cable internet connection, we can setup your Digital Video Recorder on your existing home computer network so you can monitor your cameras from an off-site location(i.e. from work or on vacation) for no additional monthly cost to you."

So maybe there was some type of video surveillance, and the perps got the manual out and checked how the system was set up and where the DVD recorder was?? I know that doesn't mean it was on, but maybe the perps didn't know that? And it was black duct tape, I don't know about anyone else but at my house we have a lot of duct tape laying around the basement and the garage but not black (old silver type), is black relatively new?

Black is electrical tape (for wiring)

we need some new & reliable news to analyze and dissect.

PLEASE LE, A PRESSER!

OFF TOPIC

This popped up in my CNN email alert. Another example of really really weird
stuff going on. I mean, Johnny and Lisa's case is bizarre, and now this one is equally bizarre in a totally different way.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/15/flor...=allsearch

(02-15-2011, 04:28 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: we need some new & reliable news to analyze and dissect.

PLEASE LE, A PRESSER!

Have they spoken publicly at all?

(02-15-2011, 04:43 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: OFF TOPIC

This popped up in my CNN email alert. Another example of really really weird
stuff going on. I mean, Johnny and Lisa's case is bizarre, and now this one is equally bizarre in a totally different way.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/15/flor...=allsearch

it's not bizarre for florida. trust me. i was a deputy sheriff there for years.


Duchess, LE has said nothing since right after murders.

(02-15-2011, 04:03 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:55 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 03:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I just thought that JC was the one who punched the friend and the X was the one accused of 'possibly bruising Lisa.' So I guess I am still mixed up. :-( Duh.

There is no formal record of JC punching anyone's friend. This may be complete BS, started by someone with an agenda, for all we know.

True. This was reported by a friend of Lisas who said that JC punched Lisas roommate in the stomach which caused Lisa to break her lease with the roommate & move back in with her parents in Nov/Dec 2010. The roommate reportedly never filed a complaint with LE out of respect for Lisa

What's interesting is that while looking at Lisas police record under the Sylvania mucipal court website I noticed that the last time Lisa was pulled over & issued a citation was January 14, 2011 for running a red light & her address was listed as a residence on PLUMLEAF in Toledo. Not in Holland or Springfield twnship with her parents. I just chalked it up to not updating her address on her license & not telling LE that she no longer lived there. Now I'm wondering if Lisa did live with her parents afterall & if maybe that's why Maytee kept saying that "They" were house sitting for her parents.......

I've wondered about this, as well. It's not clear, to me, where anybody actually resided. On top of that, the reporting from The Toledo Blade is so shitty, all of the articles read like they were written by high school students.

a word or two about news outlets. CNN and HLN will not have up-to-date stories on the case until a day or two after the locals do. HLN is notorious for reporting wrong and late. so is nancy grace. but she's another thread.

I recently saw where they were making polka dot and striped duct tape. I sent the link to my son because he uses it at work and I thought it might be funny to trick one of his co workers with. I looked up black duct tape. WOW. Different properties than the silver we have in our cupboards.

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13abc
Reward fund for info in the double murder case of John Clarke and Lisa Straub increases to $10,000. The latest on the investigation tonight at 6:00pm.

(02-15-2011, 04:52 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: [quote='TotallyCurious' pid='128156' dateline='1297802600']
OFF TOPIC

This popped up in my CNN email alert. Another example of really really weird
stuff going on. I mean, Johnny and Lisa's case is bizarre, and now this one is equally bizarre in a totally different way.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/15/flor...=allsearch

it's not bizarre for florida. trust me. i was a deputy sheriff there for years.


Duchess, LE has said nothing since right after murders.

****

Does this mean that the local media is not on top of it? WOW. I am
totally surprised.

Did any of you study JVM's body language and use of pauses in her
interview with J's mom? I found it out of character, just mho.

(02-15-2011, 05:10 PM)SeekingJustice Wrote: 13abc
Reward fund for info in the double murder case of John Clarke and Lisa Straub increases to $10,000. The latest on the investigation tonight at 6:00pm.

Interesting. I can't find that on their site anywhere but I'll be sure to tune in and see what they have to say. I'm willing to bet they don't say much of anything.

(02-15-2011, 04:23 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 04:14 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-15-2011, 04:12 PM)netsleuth Wrote: The Justice for Johnny and Lisa page has taken to defending TW, assuming everything a known liar (lied to police in the past) said is true.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/justice.for.johnny.and.lisa

"I would like to say we have been judging TW because of the murders. However, I need to point out she relentless sought to find out why Lisa and Johnny weren't answering their phones until SOMEBODY would LISTEN to her and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!"

Weird isn't it? I wonder what happened to cause them to change their tune.

I wonder if they were ever legit?

I wonder if they even know what they're doing over there on that page! lol That last post has now vanished......