(02-21-2011, 07:18 PM)Red_velvet71 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:55 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:48 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:42 PM)shitstorm Wrote: RIP Johnny Missing you like crazy i promise those evil demons will pay for wat they did to you n lisa those evil cowards will pay justice will prevail n karma will catch them they will not escape the wrath of god for wat they did ;,,,,(about an hour ago via iPhone

Tiffany Williams likes this.

WOW

I do not think that is her. It is a brand new account.

Regarding the TW acct.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002104490426

My Niggaz
salez
Pushin the white
makin more babiez
Activities and Interests
Other
RIP Johnny, Justice for Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub
Basic Information
About Tiffany pimpin fo my hos suckin my bros pushin babies out like nobodys bidness
Sex Female

Definitely someone trying to be funny.

(02-21-2011, 08:56 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 08:53 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I am bored already.

i'll notify the local authorities.

(02-21-2011, 05:42 PM)shitstorm Wrote: RIP Johnny Missing you like crazy i promise those evil demons will pay for wat they did to you n lisa those evil cowards will pay justice will prevail n karma will catch them they will not escape the wrath of god for wat they did ;,,,,(about an hour ago via iPhone

Tiffany Williams likes this.

(02-21-2011, 09:35 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:29 PM)Gonzojoe Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:27 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: I think all the gangsta talk, fake TW, initials, fb pages is making us all loopy. I think the South End Toledo would make a good MTV reality show.

Considering the crap on MTV now I'm sure your right!

"Real Gansta Azz Niggaz of Toledo" but that would have to go on Bravo.

(02-22-2011, 02:19 AM)toledoarea Wrote: Which still leaves me clueless as to why VD was gone for a week after the murders. No facebook, no nothing. Then a week later on the 8^th of Feb. all of a sudden he pops up on MJ facebook and says hey, sorry for not catchin up with you. I had to hide out for a while. Call me on some new number cuz I don't have a "FONE" anymore. Why no "FONE"? Was it one of those disposable "fones" that drug dealers use to deter LE? Wasn't there many "FONES" found at the scene? Maytee said johnnys "fone" was by/on his body. Then there were reports of "fones" being broken and scattered at the crime scene. Taking off for a little over a week might be enough time to hide your wounds without your "fone" to talk to anybody. Wounds being that someone might have given you if they were fighting for their life.

(02-22-2011, 02:36 AM)ToledoNative Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 02:29 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:51 AM)esbee Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 11:25 AM)Wish.I.was.a.P.I Wrote: Personally, I think whomever is writing about Mock on the facebook pages writes it there because they know that there are actual law enforcement people on this site and won't come on here and talk their talk.

Another thing I've noticed about Maytee...she seems to be in competition with the Straubs, whether it be to set up a fund because they set up a fund or because she's a good mom just like they were good parents, Lisa's past is just as bad as Johnny's past. I can't imagine her pain and what that can do to you but that's just an observation I've had...add that with the love she had for Johnny but knowing Johnny loved Lisa and chose to live with her over Maytee...I definitly can see her feeling like she had/has to comepte with Lisa/Straub's. AND..let's not forget if what's been said about her husband cheating, she's probably over the top with jealousy and feelings of competition.

I so agree with you here.

I think Johnny was distancing himself from Maytee. Others have used the word "embarrassed" and I believe that to my core.

Here was a chance for Johnny to make good. He was welcomed by a stable, respectable family and loved by a young woman who didn't talk or act like a gangster. She was edgy enough to like to party and to tolerate his past transgressions. He could envision a future far different from the environment of his youth, an upbringing he was most likely desperate to escape.

I think Maytee resented it fiercely. And I think Johnny's peers resented it, too.

I think you're probably right!

If Johnny was completely trying to escape his past and begin a better life, he wouldn't be hanging out with the social elite like Tiffany, have digital scales in his girlfriend's parent's house, and he sure wouldn't let Lisa around people like Tiffany.

(02-22-2011, 04:53 AM)NightOwl Wrote: Found this picture on VD's girlfriends facebook and the comments she made! Its a very good picture of a happy couple and the girl that posted this seems very very sad!!

Sure hope the picture attachment shows up - its my first picture on mock.




"Taken Christmas Night - I`m Glad I Spent Part Of My Christmas W. The Two Of You. & Lisa , I`m Glad We Had That Talk The Weekend Before You Passed. & Johnny , I`m Glad I Got To See You Just A Few Hours Before You Passed. I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That. Your Both Forever In Our Hearts. Love You Johnny. "Live Everyday Like It`s Your Last , Because Tomorrow Isn`t Promised" Rest In Peace Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub ♥"

(02-22-2011, 05:33 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 04:53 AM)NightOwl Wrote: Found this picture on VD's girlfriends facebook and the comments she made! Its a very good picture of a happy couple and the girl that posted this seems very very sad!!

Sure hope the picture attachment shows up - its my first picture on mock.




"Taken Christmas Night - I`m Glad I Spent Part Of My Christmas W. The Two Of You. & Lisa , I`m Glad We Had That Talk The Weekend Before You Passed. & Johnny , I`m Glad I Got To See You Just A Few Hours Before You Passed. I`m SOO Sorry You Guys Had To Go Through That. Your Both Forever In Our Hearts. Love You Johnny. "Live Everyday Like It`s Your Last , Because Tomorrow Isn`t Promised" Rest In Peace Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub ♥"

this is something I was looking at the other night, also. She posts similar stuff, for several days, from what I remember.

eta - congrats on your first picture, here... you did good!

(02-22-2011, 02:19 AM)toledoarea Wrote: Which still leaves me clueless as to why VD was gone for a week after the murders. No facebook, no nothing. Then a week later on the 8^th of Feb. all of a sudden he pops up on MJ facebook and says hey, sorry for not catchin up with you. I had to hide out for a while. Call me on some new number cuz I don't have a "FONE" anymore. Why no "FONE"? Was it one of those disposable "fones" that drug dealers use to deter LE? Wasn't there many "FONES" found at the scene? Maytee said johnnys "fone" was by/on his body. Then there were reports of "fones" being broken and scattered at the crime scene. Taking off for a little over a week might be enough time to hide your wounds without your "fone" to talk to anybody. Wounds being that someone might have given you if they were fighting for their life.

(02-22-2011, 02:45 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: It's very easy to get on here and speculate, but we need to stick to the facts.

How did anyone get alerted that something was happening to Johnny and Lisa?

TIFFANY

Tiffany called a friend who then called Maytee. Ok, so Tiffany is the one who knew something wasn't right. How did she know this? She says because she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the intruders come in. If she is lying about that phone call and what she heard, then why would she have alerted anyone in the first place (Sherita/Cherita)? She knew something was going on.

If Tiffany WAS INVOLVED with the crime, why would she have called the friend and said that Johnny and Lisa were in trouble? Because people knew (Maytee said that Johnny told her they were having friends over to shoot pool) that Tiffany was supposed to be over there that night and she didn't want to get blamed for the crime. She wanted to seem like a caring, concerned friend (two hours later, mind you).

(02-22-2011, 03:29 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:24 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:36 PM)Spalding Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:34 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:26 PM)purplepegasus Wrote: Can someone fill me in on who M.J. is? I've got the rest of that story figured out. Also, I think that reply "Johnny who?" was VD being an asshole because the person spelled the name Johny. I'm not reading into that too much, but I saw the comment about the work in the suburbs! Crazy shit, niggas!

Purple I sent you a PM.

What's the point of the forum if the real info is being discussed in a sub-forum of PM's?

I was wondering if LC and Duchess might let us have reference thread, in the members only section, where we can post the FB and MySpace links of the peripheral playahs. That would really help me! I know I keep I saying I need a flow chart and people probably think I'm kidding but I'm not! I can't keep all the people straight and I can't figure out whose FB page to go to look at to locate the friends with various initials. I think the entire social circle is fascinating to explore and relevant to the case.

There used to be a really great show on murders, and I can't recall which cable channel had it or what it was called, so maybe someone here will remember. Seems like it was on Saturday afternoons and it was narrated by a guy with deep, kind of spooky voice. It was always about a murder, often higher society, such as doctors killing their wifes and those types of stories, and they'd start out with a great background on the town, the society, who went to what church, ran the grocery store, etc, and stuff like that. It wasn't a forensics show but more Dominic Dunne style, giving all the connections between the various people in the town and all the gossip. That fleshes out a story and makes it a lot more interesting, which we need because if I hear one more thing about where the car was parked, or what the key went to, I think I'm gonna scream.

I think you might be talking about "City Confidential" .. I know the guy's name, but I just went blank (I believe he's dead now, the guy w/the spooky voice)

I have a few links saved, if anyone needs them

(02-22-2011, 06:26 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 02:45 AM)ToledoNative Wrote: It's very easy to get on here and speculate, but we need to stick to the facts.

How did anyone get alerted that something was happening to Johnny and Lisa?

TIFFANY

Tiffany called a friend who then called Maytee. Ok, so Tiffany is the one who knew something wasn't right. How did she know this? She says because she was on the phone with Johnny and heard the intruders come in. If she is lying about that phone call and what she heard, then why would she have alerted anyone in the first place (Sherita/Cherita)? She knew something was going on.

If Tiffany WAS INVOLVED with the crime, why would she have called the friend and said that Johnny and Lisa were in trouble? Because people knew (Maytee said that Johnny told her they were having friends over to shoot pool) that Tiffany was supposed to be over there that night and she didn't want to get blamed for the crime. She wanted to seem like a caring, concerned friend (two hours later, mind you).

I keep looking around the various FB pages for a Sherita, Sharita, Cherita, Charita. Nothing. Not in any of the friends lists. Seems odd considering she was the one who got the phone call. Seems like she would be part of the crowd, no?

(02-22-2011, 03:38 AM)curious Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:00 AM)sealed27 Wrote: I believe the cell phones are a big lead for this case, maybe that is part of not hearing much until evidence comes back, if cellphones were strewn about, maybe one of the victims had record on their phone and maybe they wanted and thought if they broke those phones up no one would know anything, just been thinking why would they have destroyed phones, if the victims were taped up at wrists then why did they break the phones?

In regards to cell phones if i recall correctly, "Grieving Friend" posted many threads back the following excerpt..."Wednesday the 2^nd I get a phone call from Mr.Z's mom asking for help with a phone she found in her room and that her laptop was stolen right out her bedroom with the case. Like someone in the house had the time to package it all up and then take it..."

That statement combined with the evidence seized by LE which included cell phones and computers, coupled with the the statement by the uncle of LS that somethig to the effect that nothing of value was taken from the home including flat screen TV's, computers, etc...kinda makes me wonder whose computer it actually was that was taken into evidence...

Probably a far fetch but one worth being noted, possibly??

(02-22-2011, 03:42 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:37 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:40 PM)trixie Wrote: Yea, but Lisa's car was in the driveway, JC and LS weren't answering calls or texts (which was apparently out of the norm), and she had already gotten the call from Tiffany's friend saying that something was wrong. I would be concerned too!

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Lisa's car was in the garage. According to the Detective in front of the News cameras on the first day of the investigation. I quote Lady Cop in her opening dialogue on page 1.

- Lady Cop - 02-01-2011 01:26 PM

She said Mr. Clarke had picked up Miss Straub from work Sunday. The two "had plans with someone earlier in the evening," the detective said, but had not shown up and had not called to say they wouldn't be there.
Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said.

I would like to know one FACT was the car in the driveway or in the garage
god if we can't get this right how can we get anything right lol!![/color]

I know!!! Even though Maytee & Tiffany say it was in the driveway, Stooksbury said "in the garage" .. I'm going with LE

(02-22-2011, 03:42 AM)Just-Curious Wrote: Who is "Vd" wtf ....I'm so confussed

(02-22-2011, 06:52 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:42 AM)Jane Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:37 PM)PURPLECATS Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:23 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 12:48 PM)Duchess Wrote:

Alright, I'll give you that, it's a valid statement but, why? Why are they so concerned? I've not responded to text & my ringing BB many times. I've also pretended to not be home while my vehicle has been sitting in the circle. Why is Maytee freakin' out?

Lisa's car was in the garage. According to the Detective in front of the News cameras on the first day of the investigation. I quote Lady Cop in her opening dialogue on page 1.

- Lady Cop - 02-01-2011 01:26 PM

She said Mr. Clarke had picked up Miss Straub from work Sunday. The two "had plans with someone earlier in the evening," the detective said, but had not shown up and had not called to say they wouldn't be there.
Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said.

I would like to know one FACT was the car in the driveway or in the garage
god if we can't get this right how can we get anything right lol!![/color]

I know!!! Even though Maytee & Tiffany say it was in the driveway, Stooksbury said "in the garage" .. I'm going with LE

Her house has a three car garage. It was cold out. Makes sense to park in the garage and enter through the kitchen.