(02-21-2011, 09:29 PM)Gonzojoe Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:27 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: I think all the gangsta talk, fake TW, initials, fb pages is making us all loopy. I think the South End Toledo would make a good MTV reality show.

Considering the crap on MTV now I'm sure your right!

"Real Gansta Azz Niggaz of Toledo" but that would have to go on Bravo.

Wowww! This case has left me fascinated, and this forum has had me glued to the computer for the past 4 days, fighting off sleep, to get to the end of this thread. However I have only managed to get to page 251 so far LOL.

I have a theory, that has already been mentioned, but I go into it a little bit more. I will post it in a second. Warning it will be long! lol.
They are just my thoughts. I welcome all feedback. Please keep in mind I'm not even halfway through this thread, so I could be way off or "old news" compared to what has gone on the last 200 pages, I have no idea! lol

Just gotta say, I'm really diggin this forum

(02-21-2011, 09:35 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:29 PM)Gonzojoe Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:27 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: I think all the gangsta talk, fake TW, initials, fb pages is making us all loopy. I think the South End Toledo would make a good MTV reality show.

Considering the crap on MTV now I'm sure your right!

"Real Gansta Azz Niggaz of Toledo" but that would have to go on Bravo.

Then when it takes off we can have a show about the north, then east, we will be the new gangsta housewives.

"The Glass City" is known for its gangs and labeled a major hub for teen prostitution.

Hi Miss Conspiracy, thankyou and welcome~~

(02-21-2011, 09:41 PM)wanttoknow Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:35 PM)kfran Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:29 PM)Gonzojoe Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:27 PM)wanttoknow Wrote: I think all the gangsta talk, fake TW, initials, fb pages is making us all loopy. I think the South End Toledo would make a good MTV reality show.

Considering the crap on MTV now I'm sure your right!

"Real Gansta Azz Niggaz of Toledo" but that would have to go on Bravo.

Then when it takes off we can have a show about the north, then east, we will be the new gangsta housewives.

Yup, yup. Hahah. The West Coast will be sporting their Gucci while the East Coast will be spraying graffiti in the Hamptons. Ahhh, I think the wet paint from my kitchen cabinets is making me

(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i am lost. someone hook me up with the facebook you are talking about.

Hey! I posted info about this 2 days ago (pg. 350, #4895).

There was a scolding soon afterward, "we are getting really far afield here with speculating about the facebook pages of totally unrelated people." So, I backed off.

But, these are not totally unrelated people- they are all connected. :O


These people really stood out to me as well. I see everyone else is putting initials, and sorry if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding you can NOT put personal info out. This is all public info on the internet, and no minors are named. So, I hope that it was okay for me to post in this manner. If not, my apologies, and please let me know for the future. Thanks!

(02-21-2011, 09:41 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Wowww! This case has left me fascinated, and this forum has had me glued to the computer for the past 4 days, fighting off sleep, to get to the end of this thread. However I have only managed to get to page 251 so far LOL.

I have a theory, that has already been mentioned, but I go into it a little bit more. I will post it in a second. Warning it will be long! lol.
They are just my thoughts. I welcome all feedback. Please keep in mind I'm not even halfway through this thread, so I could be way off or "old news" compared to what has gone on the last 200 pages, I have no idea! lol

Just gotta say, I'm really diggin this forum

you go girl! Let's hear it!!

(02-21-2011, 08:32 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:08 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:50 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: Are you talking about VD or his GF?

mj facebook. i have no idea who vd is.
maybe i have finally lost the plot.

VD was really good friends with JC, and is the boyfriend of the girl on FB who said she was with JC before he went to pick up LS, watching the Pro Bowl. Turns out VD, after JC was murdered, replied to someone who said wasn't that horrible about JC, and he answered Johnny who (unknown posted that)? So far so good?? VD also went to legacy.com and post a big goodbye to JC there, but he was asking just before that Johnny who?
Okay well VD is FB friends with MJ and turns out MJ is also friends with TW's current boy AG> So VD's girlfriend was supposedly with JC right before he picked up LS, per her post on FB. And the deeper you dig the scarier the characters are that are all connected!

thankyou for the screaming headache!! hahahahaha

OMG! Me too! abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Are you sure you have it right about VD posting, "johnny who?" The only place I saw someone put "jonny who" was posted by a GB.

(02-21-2011, 09:49 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i am lost. someone hook me up with the facebook you are talking about.

Hey! I posted info about this 2 days ago (pg. 350, #4895).

There was a scolding soon afterward, "we are getting really far afield here with speculating about the facebook pages of totally unrelated people." So, I backed off.

But, these are not totally unrelated people- they are all connected. :O


These people really stood out to me as well. I see everyone else is putting initials, and sorry if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding you can NOT put personal info out. This is all public info on the internet, and no minors are named. So, I hope that it was okay for me to post in this manner. If not, my apologies, and please let me know for the future. Thanks!

it was getting very confusing with MANY sets of initials. i wasn't certain WHO was being referenced.
when i say connected, i mean with the case, not connected through friendships and fb pages.

it IS hard to keep all the people straight, i just can't have a bunch of people named and the subject of speculation until there is a nexus to the crime itself. it's not fair to them.
my goal is simply using good judgement and discretion here.

(02-21-2011, 09:58 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 08:32 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:08 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:53 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: mj facebook. i have no idea who vd is.
maybe i have finally lost the plot.

VD was really good friends with JC, and is the boyfriend of the girl on FB who said she was with JC before he went to pick up LS, watching the Pro Bowl. Turns out VD, after JC was murdered, replied to someone who said wasn't that horrible about JC, and he answered Johnny who (unknown posted that)? So far so good?? VD also went to legacy.com and post a big goodbye to JC there, but he was asking just before that Johnny who?
Okay well VD is FB friends with MJ and turns out MJ is also friends with TW's current boy AG> So VD's girlfriend was supposedly with JC right before he picked up LS, per her post on FB. And the deeper you dig the scarier the characters are that are all connected!

thankyou for the screaming headache!! hahahahaha

OMG! Me too! abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Are you sure you have it right about VD posting, "johnny who?" The only place I saw someone put "jonny who" was posted by a GB.

Yes it it was his fb friend, GB. Who is the cuz of VDs bro CB/TS. And by the way, both VD and CB/TS have tats lke Johnny and grew up in the same neighborhood (1200 South). I have never seen a photo of GBs back to know if he has a tat on it or not

But seriously, I have just been trying to get a handle on any known gang affiliation for Johnny. So far I have come up with nada, basically. Except for the boys of the 1200 South block all tatting their last names across their shoulder blades.

(02-21-2011, 10:01 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:49 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:39 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i am lost. someone hook me up with the facebook you are talking about.

Hey! I posted info about this 2 days ago (pg. 350, #4895).

There was a scolding soon afterward, "we are getting really far afield here with speculating about the facebook pages of totally unrelated people." So, I backed off.

But, these are not totally unrelated people- they are all connected. :O


These people really stood out to me as well. I see everyone else is putting initials, and sorry if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding you can NOT put personal info out. This is all public info on the internet, and no minors are named. So, I hope that it was okay for me to post in this manner. If not, my apologies, and please let me know for the future. Thanks!

it was getting very confusing with MANY sets of initials. i wasn't certain WHO was being referenced.
when i say connected, i mean with the case, not connected through friendships and fb pages.

it IS hard to keep all the people straight, i just can't have a bunch of people named and the subject of speculation until there is a nexus to the crime itself. it's not fair to them.
my goal is simply using good judgement and discretion here.

I understand.

My reason for putting the names out there was twofold. (1) There was a post suggesting that the initials were getting too confusing and that it was okay to use names as long as you were not including personal information, a minor's name, or a threat. (2) I thought it might help with some of the discussion, as we are trying to seek information and figure out possible pieces of the puzzle.

I completely respect where you are coming from about putting names out there and will be very careful in the future!!

(02-21-2011, 04:30 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Here is a short recap of the 911 calls that are scattered about. I just
can not find the one with the Detectives on it.

Issues with JFM Transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1...vm.01.html

http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/stor...?id=576342

http://toledoblade.com/assets/mpg/TO8007221.MP3

I didn't go to the link and re-listen to all of the 911 calls, but that call on the littler player that you embedded is call NUMBER TWO. Maytee called twice from her house, the first time she was having the panic attack. I KNOW there are four 911 calls but there's no way I'm gonna hunting for them, lol. The links can probably found within the first 20 pages of this thread.

i'm having to make calls as i go along, aside from my usual firm rules...i have never had a situation like this with trial by facebook!

(02-21-2011, 04:30 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 04:12 PM)toledoarea Wrote: I didn't know Johnny or Lisa. I am a friend of the Clarke's. Met John Sr. once. I am a friend of John Sr. side of the family. I don't know anymore about this case than anyone else. Just trying to point out those people that I mentioned in my previous comment. I think they are key. Kinda funny how V.D. disappears for a week after the murders and all of a sudden he doesn't have a phone. Look at M.J. wall around his birthday. V.D. leaves an interesting comment.

I'm familiar with MJs fb. Nice tat. I do notice that VD and others from his neighborhood 1200 south (I think) tat their last names across their backs. Johnny included. Seems like all the boys from that area (about 5 or 6 that I have noted) got the same type of tat. Not MJ though, he is from a different area, and a bit more out their with his ganster style. MJ rides around with his bro AP/AG. I have kind of moved on from VD. Looking more and more toward AP/AG.

Could you please PM me and tell me who MJ is?

(02-21-2011, 10:21 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i'm having to make calls as i go along, aside from my usual firm rules...i have never had a situation like this with trial by facebook!

My first also. I don't even have a fb page. Logged onto my daughters. And that annoying little chat box keeps popping up saying Waz up?

(02-21-2011, 10:25 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 10:21 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i'm having to make calls as i go along, aside from my usual firm rules...i have never had a situation like this with trial by facebook!

My first also. I don't even have a fb page. Logged onto my daughters. And that annoying little chat box keeps popping up saying Waz up?

Go to "options" at the top of the "chat" box, click on it then click on "go offline". Then it won't show that you are online.

(02-21-2011, 10:21 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i'm having to make calls as i go along, aside from my usual firm rules...i have never had a situation like this with trial by facebook!

It is unreal how much information people put out there!! It is a wealth of knowledge!! My husband is in LE, and he uses FB to get information all the time. And, yes, I am a woman!!

People even post when and where they're going to meet up to buy/sell drugs!! SHEEESH!!!

It's like shooting fish in a barrel!!

Personally, I have all of my FB settings on private. You would think most people would do the same, especially if you are involved in criminal activity!!

Rushed in from work to see if there is any new info...I just cannot believe the police have not had a press conference...that is just nuts that you folks in that area are tolerating that! Unbelievable! I guess the news they were looking for someone in the neighborhood of Lisa's is not true ...OMG...when is this going to get solved???? Two such beautiful sweet people with their whole lives ahead of them...such a tragedy!

(02-21-2011, 10:10 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 09:58 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 08:32 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:08 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-21-2011, 05:01 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: VD was really good friends with JC, and is the boyfriend of the girl on FB who said she was with JC before he went to pick up LS, watching the Pro Bowl. Turns out VD, after JC was murdered, replied to someone who said wasn't that horrible about JC, and he answered Johnny who (unknown posted that)? So far so good?? VD also went to legacy.com and post a big goodbye to JC there, but he was asking just before that Johnny who?
Okay well VD is FB friends with MJ and turns out MJ is also friends with TW's current boy AG> So VD's girlfriend was supposedly with JC right before he picked up LS, per her post on FB. And the deeper you dig the scarier the characters are that are all connected!

thankyou for the screaming headache!! hahahahaha

OMG! Me too! abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

Are you sure you have it right about VD posting, "johnny who?" The only place I saw someone put "jonny who" was posted by a GB.

Yes it it was his fb friend, GB. Who is the cuz of VDs bro CB/TS. And by the way, both VD and CB/TS have tats lke Johnny and grew up in the same neighborhood (1200 South). I have never seen a photo of GBs back to know if he has a tat on it or not

But seriously, I have just been trying to get a handle on any known gang affiliation for Johnny. So far I have come up with nada, basically. Except for the boys of the 1200 South block all tatting their last names across their shoulder blades.

alot of guys here in toledo have there last names tatted on there back itz not gang related shoot my brother has 1 and he is in no way affiliated with a gang