(02-23-2011, 01:24 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:16 AM)Spalding Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:10 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:07 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:01 AM)Spalding Wrote:

Another good point. I really have to wonder if the suspects brought the tape/bags or got it from the house. I wish they would release more information! Lisa's parents would be able to confirm if that was possibly from their home. And about the safe... again, Mr. Z and Tiff had hung out w/JC and Lisa a few times at the house.. JC could have mentioned the safe at any of those times, or even at the party. Might as well look for that safe after the attack

also to add to this.. I doubt they went to the house with weapons. First because they didn't anticipate the attack, and I don't think someone as young and broke as Z could get a gun. He could have perhaps had a pocket knife

Then how would he have subdued a bigger man without leaving any other signs of significant trauma (as disseminated by LE)?

I don't think it's impossible. And there's always the chance that there was a 2^nd man there

(02-22-2011, 07:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:11 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:09 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:33 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Has anybody thought about the fact that Lisa was more wounded than Johnny?

Usually blood and wounds are a sign of a fight and yet Lisa was the bloody one. Because she fought harder? Nope.

Were the intruders either punishing Johnny (maybe for not paying back a drug debt or snitching or something) by making him watch them hurting, raping, etc. Lisa OR were they doing these things to Lisa to get Johnny to talk and give them information about something (where a safe is, what the combination is, where drugs are, the list could go on and on)?

that's exactly how I think it went down, IF it's true, that Lisa was injured much worse than Johnny. We've heard 3 rumors of what might have happened to Lisa. Raped, hit with a baseball bat, & her tongue being injured in some way ... I think the rumor may very well be true, that Johnny had bragged about a safe being in the home.

I think its possible there really was safe in the house, that the perpes were able to force JC or LS to provide info for the perps to empty it. And the Dinars were the booty and some Dinars were dropped as they were removed from the safe and and possibly a few were dropped thru the house as the perpes made an exit. Could explain why Dinars were taken as evidence, the few that remained, possibly providing fingure prints or a serial number sequence to reseach if Dinars surfaced at a money brokerage house.

There was no safe.

zero... that thought has crossed my mind a few times. i know that the uncle reported that there was not a safe in the house and he is seemingly a reliable source. the only reason i can think for him to announce there wasn't a safe if there really was is maybe to get someone to open their big mouth... you know
"naw man... those bytches be lian. we busted the shyt out that safe."

i don't know... i guess always a possibility... maybe far fetched though.

p.s. how was my first attempt at ghetto talk?

(02-23-2011, 01:11 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Good Night fellow crime righters. We will prevail, our pack of
honest studied misfits-and=non in this fucked up world which our A brain does not
easily understand......this world which demands justice and freedom
and firness which we do not see here . How it pains us to the core.
If we fail, our society could fall and we must
learn to work together in harmony, not alike but in harmony.

It there is a guiding spirit,we need you now, to end this torture to so many and to begin healing on al;l. And it would be joyous to understand it too so we could collectively work on a program so much stronger than drugs to build the self esteem and coffers. Help us find them. Give us the strentgth to reach them fora more civil world. *Show them news from Aljezerz where women are rapedbecause they are blonde and beautiful.)Let them see
that true freedom is here.

(02-23-2011, 01:30 AM)Spalding Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:24 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:16 AM)Spalding Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:10 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:07 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Another good point. I really have to wonder if the suspects brought the tape/bags or got it from the house. I wish they would release more information! Lisa's parents would be able to confirm if that was possibly from their home. And about the safe... again, Mr. Z and Tiff had hung out w/JC and Lisa a few times at the house.. JC could have mentioned the safe at any of those times, or even at the party. Might as well look for that safe after the attack

also to add to this.. I doubt they went to the house with weapons. First because they didn't anticipate the attack, and I don't think someone as young and broke as Z could get a gun. He could have perhaps had a pocket knife

Then how would he have subdued a bigger man without leaving any other signs of significant trauma (as disseminated by LE)?

I don't think it's impossible. And there's always the chance that there was a 2^nd man there

I don't mean to be argumentative, but it's some serious shit to tie up and torture-kill two people in their own house when one of them is a weight-lifter who spent time in prison. If the perps end up being a 17-year-old weakling and a pregnant lady, I would be shocked.

(02-23-2011, 01:18 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:41 PM)Adub Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:39 PM)seasontickets Wrote: This information came from a very reliable source. Family friends who spent many vacations together and have children the same age, that's all I can tell you. I believe my source of the information, this person has no reason to make things up.

What information?

hahaha!

(02-23-2011, 01:37 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:11 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Good Night fellow crime righters. We will prevail, our pack of
honest studied misfits-and=non in this fucked up world which our A brain does not
easily understand......this world which demands justice and freedom
and firness which we do not see here . How it pains us to the core.
If we fail, our society could fall and we must
learn to work together in harmony, not alike but in harmony.

It there is a guiding spirit,we need you now, to end this torture to so many and to begin healing on al;l. And it would be joyous to understand it too so we could collectively work on a program so much stronger than drugs to build the self esteem and coffers. Help us find them. Give us the strentgth to reach them fora more civil world. *Show them news from Aljezerz where women are rapedbecause they are blonde and beautiful.)Let them see
that true freedom is here.

PREACH my Nigga!!

(02-22-2011, 08:27 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 08:25 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 01:15 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: Storm: I'm gonna get chewed out. lol.

so what WAS there?

http://lunaticoutpost.com/smilies/lmao.gif

From another forum I hang at.

it still says no hotlinking...is that what you intended to post?

(02-23-2011, 01:50 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:37 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:11 AM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Good Night fellow crime righters. We will prevail, our pack of
honest studied misfits-and=non in this fucked up world which our A brain does not
easily understand......this world which demands justice and freedom
and firness which we do not see here . How it pains us to the core.
If we fail, our society could fall and we must
learn to work together in harmony, not alike but in harmony.

It there is a guiding spirit,we need you now, to end this torture to so many and to begin healing on al;l. And it would be joyous to understand it too so we could collectively work on a program so much stronger than drugs to build the self esteem and coffers. Help us find them. Give us the strentgth to reach them fora more civil world. *Show them news from Aljezerz where women are rapedbecause they are blonde and beautiful.)Let them see
that true freedom is here.

PREACH my Nigga!!

(02-23-2011, 01:58 AM)toledoarea Wrote: The word around town is that Maytee has family in cuba with deep ties to drugs and drug cartels. Years ago John Sr was busted with alot of heroin. He is out of jail a little early considering his criminal history along with the amount of drugs he was busted with. Maybe he snitched, who knows? These drug cartels don't play. They may not do something to you, but they might hurt your most valuable possesion(johnny jr.) for revenge. Maybe John Sr worked for Maytee's family in the drug profession. Anyway, the murders were so professional that the FBI is involved. Why? Because the fish is too big to fry for local LE. Think about it. It's been almost a month with no word of any suspects. Do you really think that these low life chumps that hangs with Tiffany could commit such a murder that the FBI is involved and they still have no clues. This was a professional hit, period. Maybe Maytee knew she owed money and told these hit men where money could be found (lisas house). Maybe Maytee said "okay, I know we owe money. We don't have it, but we know where money is" Lisas house with a safe. Maybe Maytee told these hitmen to go to lisas while Johnny was picking up lisa from work. Being that these guys are from Cuba, maybe they didn't know where longacre ln was and was still there robbing the place when Johnny and lisa came back home. Maybe Maytee set it up so that Johnny would go pick up Tiffany with Lisa after Lisa got off work to make sure the house was robbed first. Maybe Lisa told Johnny she wanted to change out of her stinky restaurant clothes first before they went anywhere. Who knows? Regardless, this was a professional hit, we'll never know who did it, and the people that do know don't want bags over their heads.

(02-22-2011, 08:51 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:54 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:11 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:09 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

zero... that thought has crossed my mind a few times. i know that the uncle reported that there was not a safe in the house and he is seemingly a reliable source. the only reason i can think for him to announce there wasn't a safe if there really was is maybe to get someone to open their big mouth... you know
"naw man... those bytches be lian. we busted the shyt out that safe."

i don't know... i guess always a possibility... maybe far fetched though.

p.s. how was my first attempt at ghetto talk?

yo!! Justsayin..
u got da talk down..lol....

Here is that video where Maytee explains with her hands the way the tape was on her son and the remnants left in a bag near the body. Can you give me an opinion why there are no tears streaming down from her eyes. I have lost someone dear to me and the last thing I could hide were my tears.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7938127

(02-23-2011, 01:58 AM)toledoarea Wrote: The word around town is that Maytee has family in cuba with deep ties to drugs and drug cartels. Years ago John Sr was busted with alot of heroin. He is out of jail a little early considering his criminal history along with the amount of drugs he was busted with. Maybe he snitched, who knows? These drug cartels don't play. They may not do something to you, but they might hurt your most valuable possesion(johnny jr.) for revenge. Maybe John Sr worked for Maytee's family in the drug profession. Anyway, the murders were so professional that the FBI is involved. Why? Because the fish is too big to fry for local LE. Think about it. It's been almost a month with no word of any suspects. Do you really think that these low life chumps that hangs with Tiffany could commit such a murder that the FBI is involved and they still have no clues. This was a professional hit, period. Maybe Maytee knew she owed money and told these hit men where money could be found (lisas house). Maybe Maytee said "okay, I know we owe money. We don't have it, but we know where money is" Lisas house with a safe. Maybe Maytee told these hitmen to go to lisas while Johnny was picking up lisa from work. Being that these guys are from Cuba, maybe they didn't know where longacre ln was and was still there robbing the place when Johnny and lisa came back home. Maybe Maytee set it up so that Johnny would go pick up Tiffany with Lisa after Lisa got off work to make sure the house was robbed first. Maybe Lisa told Johnny she wanted to change out of her stinky restaurant clothes first before they went anywhere. Who knows? Regardless, this was a professional hit, we'll never know who did it, and the people that do know don't want bags over their heads.

(02-22-2011, 08:52 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Why is this Serita given a pass?

(02-22-2011, 08:56 PM)wanttoknow Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 08:35 PM)Inspector Gary Wrote: SOMEBODY has to know something!!! Locals, what are you hearing?

I've heard rumors it was AP.

(02-05-2011, 02:15 PM)jcat Wrote: That friend #1 story doesn't make any sense what so ever. She said she was waiting for Johnny to pick her up to take her to the house to hang out?? Yet when they don't pick up the phone she gets in a car and drives over there,,why not just drive there in the first place??? She really screwed herself making that wild BS story up. And she seen the place was ransacked how threw the slit it the shades?? I doubt it she was either there or was told by the people that were.

(02-23-2011, 02:18 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: And then, she makes 2 trips driving by and ringing the doorbell...in her car. She also was supposedly in the process of telling JC not to come get her right then, she needed to run to the store first. What was the purpose of them picking her up if she had access to a car and/or rides all through the night and wee hours?

(02-23-2011, 02:13 AM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 08:51 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:54 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:51 PM)HeartBreaker Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:11 PM)JustSayin... Wrote:

zero... that thought has crossed my mind a few times. i know that the uncle reported that there was not a safe in the house and he is seemingly a reliable source. the only reason i can think for him to announce there wasn't a safe if there really was is maybe to get someone to open their big mouth... you know
"naw man... those bytches be lian. we busted the shyt out that safe."

i don't know... i guess always a possibility... maybe far fetched though.

p.s. how was my first attempt at ghetto talk?

yo!! Justsayin..
u got da talk down..lol....

Here is that video where Maytee explains with her hands the way the tape was on her son and the remnants left in a bag near the body. Can you give me an opinion why there are no tears streaming down from her eyes. I have lost someone dear to me and the last thing I could hide were my tears.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=7938127

That was the video that a few of us found rather unsettling. There are no tears. She seems distraught but no tears. Really strange. And at the end she says, "There is no apologizing for what you have done to my son." That's the understatement of the century. Apologizing??? Does anyone find that a super weird choice of words?

Regarding the bags: Anyone violently attacks and duct tapes two people up and puts plastic bags over their heads, THEY MEAN TO KILL, PERIOD. To even entertain any other idea is not right, to put it mildly. Whoever did this is/are psychopaths. I still stand by premeditated murder, too. This was not an afterthought.

(02-23-2011, 01:40 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:30 AM)Spalding Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:24 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:16 AM)Spalding Wrote:

(02-23-2011, 01:10 AM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: also to add to this.. I doubt they went to the house with weapons. First because they didn't anticipate the attack, and I don't think someone as young and broke as Z could get a gun. He could have perhaps had a pocket knife

Then how would he have subdued a bigger man without leaving any other signs of significant trauma (as disseminated by LE)?

I don't think it's impossible. And there's always the chance that there was a 2^nd man there

I don't mean to be argumentative, but it's some serious shit to tie up and torture-kill two people in their own house when one of them is a weight-lifter who spent time in prison. If the perps end up being a 17-year-old weakling and a pregnant lady, I would be shocked.

I take no issue to it at all.. I invite debate, ideas and finding loopholes in my theory. I agree it would be shocking, but not as shocking as the mother being involved. To that, I have to say no chance in hell the mother is at all involved.

this story is just so compelling because of the amount of people that can be in the suspect pool.

- the mother (no way in hell! IMO)
- tiffany
- mr. z
- any other of their shady friends
- Lisa's stalking ex (I highly doubt this one)
- JC's fellow co-robber who JC allegedly snitched on (his name escapes me at the moment)
- or any friend of the co-robber
- tiffany's dead ex's gang ties (I believe a connection was made here w/JC being friends with the guy that killed Donald)
-Cuban mafia or gang (mafia, unlikely. Could be gang related though)
- the one guy that sells the Snitch shirts, who expressed that 2 people had pain, suffering and death coming to them
- or of course, could be totally RANDOM robbery, with perfect strangers.

did I leave anyone off? lol