(02-22-2011, 06:46 PM)Snoopy Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 02:11 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 10:15 AM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 08:59 AM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 01:02 AM)curious Wrote: DITTO...and let's not forget the fact you find it okay for your husband to catch a ride from someone you're going to accuse set your son up for murder not a half hour later....pleaaazzzzeeee

This is really baffling .... Tiff supposedly called Johnny's best friend's girlfriend first (Sherita/Shareda/Sharita/?), who wouldn't give her Maytee's number - can that be true? and if it is, why wouldn't she give her the number? Tiff can't be given the number for some unknown reason so Maytee has to find out from someone else indirectly, yet John Sr asks Tiff to drive him to the house. Why did he do that? How did he know her friend's mom would be home from work by then and she would have access to a car? Doesn't he have a car himself? How well did Tiff and Johnny's parents know each other? And how did they know each other? Were they friends, or only casual acquaintances - if so, how? Also, who was Johnny's best friend? I thought Ruben or Reuben was his name, but why hasn't his name come up again since?

1. why wouldn't she give her the number? I've had people call me & ask for a someones #. I don't give it out until I check with the the person who's # is being requested.

2. yet John Sr asks Tiff to drive him to the house. Why did he do that? Per Tiffanys testimony, after sharita calls Maytee, John Sr. calls Tiffany. Tiffany rehashes the story, tells John Sr she's going back by there & asks if he wants a ride. He accepts.

3. How did he know her friend's mom would be home from work by then and she would have access to a car? She was already out driving around. Per Tiffanys testimony, she had already been over to the Straubs to check out the scene before calling anyone to alert them of anything.

4. Doesn't he have a car himself? I cannot confirm nor deny that I've heard something about them having a van somewhere in this thread... I don't know where.

5. How well did Tiff and Johnny's parents know each other? And how did they know each other? Were they friends, or only casual acquaintances - if so, how? It sounded to me as if they did not know eachother prior to this incident.

6. who was Johnny's best friend? I've heard Rueben. I tried to look him up on FB after Ruebens mom posted on JCs online funeral registry but did not find any match. Apparently not everyone in the city has a FB. Same goes for a Sharita, nothing. I also used various spellings.

Re: #5 - I don't recall any mention of a relationship between Tiffany's parents (God knows who her dad is) and Johnny's parents.

Re: #6 - I have not looked for Ruben. If people can't find him then I would doubt Tiffany's claim that he was Johnny's "best friend". If he were, wouldn't he showing on Maytee's memorial pages or the Legacy link? So far, people can't find Ruben or Sharita. Something doesn't add up there.

There is a Ruben that Posted on Johnny's online obituary page- his mother did too. Ruben is on page 6, Ruben's mother posted, and it follows his post, on the same page.

Found him. He makes no mention of Johnny on his FB page. His girlfriend is also not named Sharita.

(02-22-2011, 05:40 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:35 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW what SCAM Johnny's parents tried to pull on
the Straubs. Oh, would I love to know.

Another rumor, but I wouldn't be shocked to find out it was true. I don't think Maytee really liked Lisa all that much. Just a feeling. JMO

Jane, what would you bet that Maytee didn't like any of Johnny's girlfriends. I think she'd be that type of mother. I doubt that any girl was good enough for her babi boi.

(02-22-2011, 05:33 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Has anybody thought about the fact that Lisa was more wounded than Johnny?

Usually blood and wounds are a sign of a fight and yet Lisa was the bloody one. Because she fought harder? Nope.

Were the intruders either punishing Johnny (maybe for not paying back a drug debt or snitching or something) by making him watch them hurting, raping, etc. Lisa OR were they doing these things to Lisa to get Johnny to talk and give them information about something (where a safe is, what the combination is, where drugs are, the list could go on and on)?

that's exactly how I think it went down, IF it's true, that Lisa was injured much worse than Johnny. We've heard 3 rumors of what might have happened to Lisa. Raped, hit with a baseball bat, & her tongue being injured in some way ... I think the rumor may very well be true, that Johnny had bragged about a safe being in the home.

I think its possible there really was safe in the house, that the perpes were able to force JC or LS to provide info for the perps to empty it. And the Dinars were the booty and some Dinars were dropped as they were removed from the safe and and possibly a few were dropped thru the house as the perpes made an exit. Could explain why Dinars were taken as evidence, the few that remained, possibly providing fingure prints or a serial number sequence to reseach if Dinars surfaced at a money brokerage house.

(02-22-2011, 07:09 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:33 PM)Jane Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 05:19 PM)ToledoNative Wrote: Has anybody thought about the fact that Lisa was more wounded than Johnny?

Usually blood and wounds are a sign of a fight and yet Lisa was the bloody one. Because she fought harder? Nope.

Were the intruders either punishing Johnny (maybe for not paying back a drug debt or snitching or something) by making him watch them hurting, raping, etc. Lisa OR were they doing these things to Lisa to get Johnny to talk and give them information about something (where a safe is, what the combination is, where drugs are, the list could go on and on)?

that's exactly how I think it went down, IF it's true, that Lisa was injured much worse than Johnny. We've heard 3 rumors of what might have happened to Lisa. Raped, hit with a baseball bat, & her tongue being injured in some way ... I think the rumor may very well be true, that Johnny had bragged about a safe being in the home.

I think its possible there really was safe in the house, that the perpes were able to force JC or LS to provide info for the perps to empty it. And the Dinars were the booty and some Dinars were dropped as they were removed from the safe and and possibly a few were dropped thru the house as the perpes made an exit. Could explain why Dinars were taken as evidence, the few that remained, possibly providing fingure prints or a serial number sequence to reseach if Dinars surfaced at a money brokerage house.

There was no safe.

(02-22-2011, 06:43 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Exactly the reason why I thought I had the wrong guy, well that & the fact that he doesn't provide the missing link to "Sharita"

Maybe it is the wrong guy...? I found the memorial page and his friend's last name starts with 'R' not 'P'.

Does anyone think that Johnny might have been totally innocent that night?

Could the bags have been put on and Tiff told to get someone to
take them off while they were still alive or do you think the perps
wanted them dead?

(02-22-2011, 07:15 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 06:43 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Exactly the reason why I thought I had the wrong guy, well that & the fact that he doesn't provide the missing link to "Sharita"

Maybe it is the wrong guy...? I found the memorial page and his friend's last name starts with 'R' not 'P'.

Yeah I know... Ruben P. I'm not giving the full name here but I'm pretty sure it's the right guy. VD is a mutual friend. I mean I THOUGHT maybe it was the wrong guy because of the lack of caring over his supposed best friends murder.

(02-22-2011, 01:26 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:13 AM)lou1975 Wrote: I definitely think Maytee knows more. Maybe owed a dealer money and as she didnt have it. Maybe she tried to pay them off by telling them about a safe at Lisa's house, They didnt find the safe so they could be teaching Maytee a lesson. JMO

Because of some of the remarks she has made I definitely think she knows more.

I DO SO agree with you.

jmo. i think the only thing maytee knows is her son dealing, it is dangerous. from what i am reading maytee ponders for 30 min before calling 911. if i had heard that my son said those thing and wasnt answering i would have kicked the door down before le got there. i just cant think the mother is involved. now tiffiany well thats another story.

(02-22-2011, 06:39 PM)DCTim Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 04:27 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:44 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:34 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 02:46 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Talked to my brother again today. He says the FBI contacted his boss to get info on a newly former employee. (I won't give the name unless I have permission to) BUT I looked up this person on FB. He's a 20 yr old male, looks like he joined FB at the end of January & right on the top of his FB friends is AG/AP.

FB, was it you has the bartender brother who got that info about rape?


Also, can you put that FB link in the private forum link?

Since you also asked for a way to view R.P. & M.P. on FB I sent you a PM (Sorry I now we aren't suppose to whisper) I feel like I'm talking in some kinda weird code with all these initials LOL Would pig latin be ok?

Hi Freshbait78,

Could you please PM me with those links.

Thanks zero

Okay, maybe I'm reaching here - and if so, tell me, by all means - but in reading RPs FB page, does anyone else think its a bit strange that he makes NO mention of his best friend's and his girlfriend's horrible deaths? But a mere two days later, he's looking to "im thinkin bout going to get a bottle to stay warm so i can go sleding " IDK, as much as so many of these players post so much of their personal biz online, I would've expected to at least read a mention of it...

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong Ruben...is his last initial R or P?

(02-22-2011, 01:58 PM)Kip Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 01:49 PM)seasontickets Wrote: I've been reading for a while and have decided to post a comment. An associate of mine who is close friends with the Straub family said that they (the Straubs) were at their wits end with Lisa and that they allowed Johnny to stay at their house because it would be easier for them to keep an eye on their daughter. I was also told that Maytee tried to get money from the Straubs in some elaborate scheme months before the murders. Also, a friend of mine who works in the restaurant business says some of the cooks (who purchased drugs from Johnny) were talking about how Johnny owed a lot of money (she didn't specify) for pills and cocaine. While obviously this is just heresay at this point, it is something to consider.

Welcome, seasontickets. Thanks for sharing that info. Somehow, it doesn't surprise me one bit that Maytee tried to get money out of the Straubs.

im not surprised either

(02-22-2011, 07:15 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 06:43 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Exactly the reason why I thought I had the wrong guy, well that & the fact that he doesn't provide the missing link to "Sharita"

Maybe it is the wrong guy...? I found the memorial page and his friend's last name starts with 'R' not 'P'.

Could be the wrong guy, but if you are on RP's page, there is a woman on his friend's list, that is the same Name as the mother who posted on the obituary memorial site, initials RR. While her first name is not unheard of, its uncommon enough, that you do not hear it everyday- so I am inclined to think, that RP is correct person, or closely related.

(02-22-2011, 07:19 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 07:15 PM)onefortheroad Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 06:43 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote: Exactly the reason why I thought I had the wrong guy, well that & the fact that he doesn't provide the missing link to "Sharita"

Maybe it is the wrong guy...? I found the memorial page and his friend's last name starts with 'R' not 'P'.

Yeah I know... Ruben P. I'm not giving the full name here but I'm pretty sure it's the right guy. VD is a mutual friend. I mean I THOUGHT maybe it was the wrong guy because of the lack of caring over his supposed best friends murder.

Absolutely the wrong guy. Ruben is not from 1200 South in South Toledo. His family lives closer to the Straubs. And his last name does not start with a P.

(02-22-2011, 07:28 PM)DCTim Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 06:39 PM)DCTim Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 04:27 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:44 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-22-2011, 03:34 PM)shitstorm Wrote: FB, was it you has the bartender brother who got that info about rape?


Also, can you put that FB link in the private forum link?

Since you also asked for a way to view R.P. & M.P. on FB I sent you a PM (Sorry I now we aren't suppose to whisper) I feel like I'm talking in some kinda weird code with all these initials LOL Would pig latin be ok?

Hi Freshbait78,

Could you please PM me with those links.

Thanks zero

Okay, maybe I'm reaching here - and if so, tell me, by all means - but in reading RPs FB page, does anyone else think its a bit strange that he makes NO mention of his best friend's and his girlfriend's horrible deaths? But a mere two days later, he's looking to "im thinkin bout going to get a bottle to stay warm so i can go sleding " IDK, as much as so many of these players post so much of their personal biz online, I would've expected to at least read a mention of it...

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong Ruben...is his last initial R or P?

OK Ruben that signed the registry, his last name starts with an "R" not "P" now here I've been looking at this Ruben P because someone posted on here today to look for a Ruben & Mario P. I hate that shit!!! I see why LC doesn't like us to use full names. Not all information given here is correct. I'm sorry for the mislead about Ruben P, although in my defense he is mutual friends with VD & a few others. Grrrr! Sorry again!!

(02-22-2011, 07:30 PM)Snoopy Wrote: Could be the wrong guy, but if you are on RP's page, there is a woman on his friend's list, that is the same Name as the mother who posted on the obituary memorial site, initials RR. While her first name is not unheard of, its uncommon enough, that you do not hear it everyday- so I am inclined to think, that RP is correct person, or closely related.

I don't think this is him somehow. His mother is listed on his FB page and her name is different from the mother's name on the Legacy page.

This information came from a very reliable source. Family friends who spent many vacations together and have children the same age, that's all I can tell you. I believe my source of the information, this person has no reason to make things up.

(02-22-2011, 07:39 PM)seasontickets Wrote: This information came from a very reliable source. Family friends who spent many vacations together and have children the same age, that's all I can tell you. I believe my source of the information, this person has no reason to make things up.

What information?

(02-22-2011, 07:17 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Does anyone think that Johnny might have been totally innocent that night?

Could the bags have been put on and Tiff told to get someone to
take them off while they were still alive or do you think the perps
wanted them dead?

I don't think the perps put much thought into preserving a happy ending for Johnny and Lisa. The tape was only for the purpose of killing them. If you throw your loot and drugs into a bag, you don't tape the bag shut. You just carry it out.

(02-22-2011, 01:49 PM)seasontickets Wrote: I've been reading for a while and have decided to post a comment. An associate of mine who is close friends with the Straub family said that they (the Straubs) were at their wits end with Lisa and that they allowed Johnny to stay at their house because it would be easier for them to keep an eye on their daughter. I was also told that Maytee tried to get money from the Straubs in some elaborate scheme months before the murders. Also, a friend of mine who works in the restaurant business says some of the cooks (who purchased drugs from Johnny) were talking about how Johnny owed a lot of money (she didn't specify) for pills and cocaine. While obviously this is just heresay at this point, it is something to consider.

Dang, here it is . Have your associate join us.

That Maytee tried to extort money from the Straubs months before the murders.

This person will not join us. She is greiving in much the same manner as Mr. and Mrs. Straub. I just wanted to pass along the information.

While in the shower earlier I was thinking about what recent movies came out where a person put a bag over someones head to get them to talk. That movie I believe was "Unthinkable" I believe. If I were LE I would contact the local video stores and see who rented that movie in the last few months. Just a thought.