Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[kitty1]

I wish some new information was released because there is so much info going around it's making me nuts. I now have even more new questions. I am really on the fence about the ex. I figured out who he is and I saw his record, anger mgmt classes ect..and I can see where people would have reason to believe he could be involved but what I don't understand is that he recently started his FB page right? So if your supposed to be one of Lisa's best friends, and what everyone is saying about him beating her and now could be involved in this incident, would you want to be his friend on FB? I wouldn't but yet its happening.

Another thing I find very strange is on a specific FB of somone that most likely is related to Lisa, she becomes a friend sometime between Jan 29^th and Jan 30^th and then at the same time, Maytee becomes a friend. Now, why would Maytee be friends with someone assumbly related to Lisa? Now I noticed she also has become friends with some of Lisas friends recently as well which, I'm chalking up to just wanting to know anything she could. It's just weird to me.

And lastly, does anyone know if she went into the house after her husband found them? I haven't heard anything about the conditions of the home according to her. If I knew my son was in there, nothing would stop me from running in there. I thought in one of the 911 calls she said they (assuming it was the cousin) ran around the house to tell Maytee and that's when Maytee called again..sounding as if she was still outside. Anyone know about that?

i get the impression that she didn't go in. on tv she was describing what her husband discovered(in great detail). being that she is so vocal i would think that she would have described what she saw as well. JMO

[purplepegasus]

Just to throw it out there, I live in the area and my mom's funeral had a police escort because the procession was so large. Also, I see people talking about how quiet this area was where LS parents lived. Yes it was a nice subdivision, (certainly not upper class like I've seen mentioned, her parents house was only about 1800 sq ft) but Springfield HS was known for its gangs, at least it was when I was in HS. There were definitely a lot of what I would call "thugs" at that school, so honestly, it's not like they came from inner city Toledo out to LS parents neighborhood. I think, like someone else said, the reason I'm so taken with this case is because of the seemingly normal life LS was brought up. I can see the thrill of running with a crowd like Johnny's, I briefly did it in HS too, but I also quickly realized I didn't want to die lol. I'm also completely appalled by the amount of dead people/people in jail that TW seems to know.

[EastCoastKat]

Found this on WTOL 11 Toledo web page "Young couple's slaying might be linked to robbery"

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I want to know why the psycho ex boyfriend of Lisa hasn't been investigated. I would see her at work beat to hell..3 days ago, 1:16:17 PM – Flag –

Well, that's an interesting comment. If it's true then others should be able to confirm it.

Does anyone know if Lisa's X and T. are friends? Sorry if this has been
answered.

Not sure. I don't see him on her FB friends.

Not on face book, but Lisa's EX and Ms.T have a friend in common a girlfriend named Heather and she is friends with Ms.T's current BF A. too

I am adding more because I searched a littl more: this Heather is friends with a lot people that surround Lisa and Johnny (friends of FB) but not actually FB friends with Lisa and Johnny. She shows up a lot! She is friends with the ex and 2 of his brothers and friends with Ms.T and her BF too....big coincidence or what?

[allieayy]

I personally know the man that lives at the house they were trying to rob. I also know through others the man that shot and killed DC. however, i dont know if i am allowed to say their names on here or not.

Do you know if law enforcement is considering them for involvement? Also, is ZB among those who robbed people with DC?

I don't believe that ZB was with them. I'm not 100% certain though. a few nights ago I discussed this robbery in depth with a friend, MW who was there when it happened. The apartment at arlington that was being robbed was that of a well known (around these parts) drug dealer- the dealer that my friends who sell get their things from. MW seems to think questioning is working its way over to him and his group of friends, as he "had beef" with JC.
But ZB's name didnt come up when we were talking about the robbery. MW seems to know ZB fairly well, and when i asked if he knew that ZB had taken a polygraph, MW responded "yes, ZB is the one that asked if he could take it"

[EastCoastKat]

I personally know the man that lives at the house they were trying to rob. I also know through others the man that shot and killed DC. however, i dont know if i am allowed to say their names on here or not.

Do you know if law enforcement is considering them for involvement? Also, is ZB among those who robbed people with DC?

I don't believe that ZB was with them. I'm not 100% certain though. a few nights ago I discussed this robbery in depth with a friend, MW who was there when it happened. The apartment at arlington that was being robbed was that of a well known (around these parts) drug dealer- the dealer that my friends who sell get their things from. MW seems to think questioning is working its way over to him and his group of friends, as he "had beef" with JC.
But ZB's name didnt come up when we were talking about the robbery. MW seems to know ZB fairly well, and when i asked if he knew that ZB had taken a polygraph, MW responded "yes, ZB is the one that asked if he could take it"

Is ZB the same Mr.Z that we were talking about in the begining? Is B his last initial?

[allieayy]

time out... my friend MW that i was just talking about? I was creeping through his facebook pictures and stumbled upon a really interesting one... A photo uploaded dec 2010 of MW, his brother... the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG.
the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG?
...hmmmm

[NightOwl]

With my experience in CJ classes, psychology and sociology it all leads back to MS T....I hope she is ready, cuz she is better off if the police name her and she turns on the perps...Hispanic justice is not the same, I am not Hispanic but I have heard how it works and I could be wrong, but she is meeting with a vengeance even if it is a remote "possibility" she is not involved....JC's family thinks she is and well, from any retaliation I've learned or heard of...her time is limited....speculation is all they need for revenge and even though Toledo is considered small, it is a city of angry Hispanics...Goood Luck to MS T....getting pregnant with a few of their own and giving birth will not cut you any slack once you cross the line...they are vengeful and will get you if justice doesn't beat them to the punch...and then even....T has very few trusted allies left, I can guarantee that...in this community her JEALOUS cruelty has crossed the line.,,,she has no protection IMO...kinda like that...now I'm just being real. While I have no proof, jealousy was a motivator here and Ms T is a jealous bitch....hope you had fun bitch, ride soon to be done.. Gloves off, tried to remain kind, but she disgusts me......whether thru LE or the Hispanic community....you are just damaged, evil and welll.....only my opinion from my experience with Toledo and it's Hispanic community over the years.,,,not to sound vindictive, but I finger her, in one way or an other she is part of this & I AM CERTAIN they do too! Sorry for her luck, NOT they are not to be messed with because jail time is nothing to them for the revenge of lost loved ones...not just in Toledo, all over in their community.

Just had to respond to this since I'm Hispanic.
I don't think revenge is solely attributed to the Hispanic race and I certainly don't think Toledo is a city of "Angry Hispanics" since I live him and hardly ever get angry..
I think you might be confusing the Hispanic people as a whole, with

HOOD RATS that happen to be Hispanic. The Hood Rat Gangstas are all about revenge, violence, etc. and personally I think JC family and certain associates qualify as hoodrats. JC dad and mom have already publicly threatened whoever did this, and who knows? maybe they can keep the "gangsta mentality" alive and well in this city by the shit they post and the shit they do.

Don't lump all us Hispanics into one...Those Hoodrats that are Hispanic give us ALL a bad name, but were not ALL bad!

Excellent statement!

jash do you happen to know if this BD ex-boyfriend's family has an outdoor oriented business? Thanks!

Yes they do!

Thanks kitty1 !

[Kip]

time out... my friend MW that i was just talking about? I was creeping through his facebook pictures and stumbled upon a really interesting one... A photo uploaded dec 2010 of MW, his brother... the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG.
the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG?
...hmmmm

The network of relationships between the people involved in the past and current crime is very interesting, indeed.

[kfran]

time out... my friend MW that i was just talking about? I was creeping through his facebook pictures and stumbled upon a really interesting one... A photo uploaded dec 2010 of MW, his brother... the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG.
the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG?
...hmmmm

The network of relationships between the people involved in the past and current crime is very interesting, indeed.

Kip, I'd say it's all related in one way or the other. But as JC learned, you play w/fire you're going to get burned.

[shitstorm]

time out... my friend MW that i was just talking about? I was creeping through his facebook pictures and stumbled upon a really interesting one... A photo uploaded dec 2010 of MW, his brother... the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG.
the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG?
...hmmmm

Good grief, could any of this be more sordid?!

[shitstorm]

netsleuth, there is an article, in this thread, about Donald C and the two guys who were with him in that robbery. One is still in prison and the other is out. I looked in Google for the article but could only find info the guy who killed Donald. I have no idea what page, in this thread, the other article was posted. I don't believe any of the names were Z.

[TotallyCurious]

I want to know why the psycho ex boyfriend of Lisa hasn't been investigated. I would see her at work beat to hell..3 days ago, 1:16:17 PM – Flag –

Likely because T was on the phone with JC that night and her story doesn't pan out? Also the X couldn't have committed the crime alone. Not to mention, he may have been checked out.

I think there had to be at least three people involved?

I agree that there had to be at least three intruders in the house, but I am starting to lean towards the belief that the ex-boyfriend may have been one of them, based on his SylMunCt history, the anger issue, and the reports of friends and co-workers of Lisa that he had beaten so bad it couldn't be concealed when she came into work the next day. This character apparently had no compunction about beating her; and killing her may have been the next step, especially when the new boyfriend, his replacement, was with her.

The ex BD has been questioned by police and yes he was freaked about it but i don't know more than that.

Didn't the police say there were no marks on their bodies? Which would
really be weird if old boyfriend confronted her.

[netsleuth]

netsleuth, there is an article, in this thread, about Donald C and the two guys who were with him in that robbery. One is still in prison and the other is out. I looked in Google for the article but could only find info the guy who killed Donald. I have no idea what page, in this thread, the other article was posted. I don't believe any of the names were Z.

Thanks for the tip! I too have tried googling, to no avail.

[netsleuth]

time out... my friend MW that i was just talking about? I was creeping through his facebook pictures and stumbled upon a really interesting one... A photo uploaded dec 2010 of MW, his brother... the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG.
the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG?
...hmmmm

Off to try and figure out who MW is! Thanks for the information allieayy. That is very interesting. It seems these "friends" take to robbing one another? Makes the theory about T being involved, all the more likely.

[shitstorm]

I want to know why the psycho ex boyfriend of Lisa hasn't been investigated. I would see her at work beat to hell..3 days ago, 1:16:17 PM – Flag –

Likely because T was on the phone with JC that night and her story doesn't pan out? Also the X couldn't have committed the crime alone. Not to mention, he may have been checked out.

I think there had to be at least three people involved?

I agree that there had to be at least three intruders in the house, but I am starting to lean towards the belief that the ex-boyfriend may have been one of them, based on his SylMunCt history, the anger issue, and the reports of friends and co-workers of Lisa that he had beaten so bad it couldn't be concealed when she came into work the next day. This character apparently had no compunction about beating her; and killing her may have been the next step, especially when the new boyfriend, his replacement, was with her.

The ex BD has been questioned by police and yes he was freaked about it but i don't know more than that.

Didn't the police say there were no marks on their bodies? Which would
really be weird if old boyfriend confronted her.

I kind of recall hearing that but then the coroner/medical examiner said they had injuries around their necks. I think they just aren't making much info public. I'd bet anything that their bodies had lots of bruises or worse. I think they went down fighting.

[Jane]

but she was going berzerk on the first 911 call BEFORE she even asked the police to respond. JMO

The first call was a request for police to respond.

right right i agree that the first call was requesting a safety check and THEY AGREED TO GO CHECK IT OUT! i thought u said she was frantic bcuz police were not responding to her satisfaction. she wasn't irritated with them yet becuz they hadn't done anything to piss her off yet! It sounds like she didn't get pissed off at the police untill 2^nd 911 call. JMO

I believe she was going berserk because of the nature of the calls & information she had recieved from those phonecalls. She continually kept repeating "I have a feeling something bad has happened" This is probably due to her sons past criminal activity, the crowd he ran with & possibly his current criminal activity. I don't believe she was going berserk because she knew for FACT exactly what happened. If she had that knowledge, why wait hours out in front of the house with & without police to kick down a door. Why not just go directly there & kick in the door?

a great point that's been mentioned, more than once! Even a spokesperson for LE stated, they did their job, & others could have kicked the door in, at any time, had they felt the need. .. (a statement along those lines, in a news article I read, this past week)

[Jane]

time out... my friend MW that i was just talking about? I was creeping through his facebook pictures and stumbled upon a really interesting one... A photo uploaded dec 2010 of MW, his brother... the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG.
the guy that DC tried to rob... and AG?
...hmmmm

Good grief, could any of this be more sordid?!

no shit!!

[Countryside_Belle]

May have already been posted but....here's a rambling that JC's mom made on the Justice for LS/JC site- (Re:Tiff, her current bf Ag, and her ex Donald)
****Maytee La Cubana Vazquez: At both of those skum her n boyfriend she already had her xboyfriend killed****
Makes you wonder how long this thing with her new bf AG has been going on......?

[Jane]

I can't find Tiffany's Facebook page, now. Did she make it private?

[seriouslycurious]

The ex BD has been questioned by police and yes he was freaked about it but i don't know more than that.

Interesting thanks.

Do you know who was involved in the Jackson robbery with DC. As LC said, it's in the public record so it's ok to say. I wondered if ZB was involved with this group or not?

Check the myspace page that was linked earlier. Look under the "free my niggaz" photos. Several of the people listed in those photos are either still in jail, or released for robbery, and a person died in that case as well. EI:. Mr.W listed there is still incarcerated for that case.