(02-12-2011, 05:19 PM)shitstorm Wrote: That's a very good point about "running" to the store when she could have waited for a ride.

I think there's a good chance that Tiffany is a bag, fat, lair, so that needs to be considered when analyzing anything she's said. I suspect her story contains elements of the truth, heavily interspersed with bullshit cooked up to create her alibi or to throw the cops off.

Agree on both counts. I can't help but think about Maytee's brilliance in hindsight. She made T tell her story to police, on the record. Imagine if that hadn't happend? It would be T's word against Maytee and possibly Sharita.

I think not only will DNA tell a story here, but the phone records from JC's cell. I wonder how long it takes to obtain those? LC do you know?

(02-12-2011, 05:07 PM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 04:38 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 04:17 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 02:33 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote: It was Maytee that said abduction in her 911 call, wasn't it?

Yes, it was.

I wonder why her mind went there.

My son has called from parties and there was raucous noise and
his phone went dead and I never once thought to think he was
'abducted' or 'tied up.' (and those are quotes)

Granted he caught hell when he came home for being
disrespectful, but never once did my mind go to him being
tied up or kidnapped.

I say Maytell KNEW SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is MORE TO HER STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again.......

According to info she recieved on the FIRST phone call from Sarita/Sharita & then from Tiffany

Tiffany heard Johnny say things like "Who are you Bro" "What do you want" "What are you doing here" this also (possibly) included Johnny yelling & then his phone went dead

Tiffany then claims to Johnnys mother that she tried to call & text both Johnny & Lisa numerous times with no response.

Tiffany then claims that she drives over & gets no answer at the door

HOWEVER: The car used by Johnny & Lisa is there.

Put 2 & 2 together. I could see why Maytee would use the word abduction. Their car is there but they are unable to be reached by phone, text, or ringing of the door bell/knocking at the door when the last known contact that is known to be had is something that sounds like a confrontation & not a friendly greeting.

For those that think Maytee knows more than she's letting on (Which reading her postings on FB, it doesn't seem that she's one for keeping her mouth shut) I ask, What does Maytee have to gain in keeping anything a secret or setting up her son as some have alluded to?

Just curious because I don't get that feeling at all.

I just think she is HINKY! Someone on another forum used that word to describe her and I just loved it. He said his hinky meter goes off in regards to Maytee. Why does she say to Tiff on 2^nd 911 call " I think you set up my son"? Set him up for what? If she doesn't know that they are bound and dead yet what is she referring to? Yes I agree that a mother's intuition can often be correct but I just think her first 911 call is overly dramatic and she just sounds to me as if she already knows that "the robbery went horribly wrong" He was not the mama's boy she claims he was. She has kicked him out of her house and he wanted to get away from her and her entire "psycho" entourage.

i keep waffling on this. Here is where I am now.

Maytee knew Lisa's house was going to be burgled. (Whether she
planned it or not, I don't know.)
She did it when she thought Johnny was going to be with Tiff,
who she says she did not know.
Tiff changed her plans. (Preggers gals do that all the time.)
Which caused Johnny to be home when the house was being burgled.
Which suggests that Maytee places the blame for Johnny's demise
onto Tiff because she altered the schedule.

(02-12-2011, 05:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 04:57 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Yes, it is. It's even more alarming and infuriating when you go down the social engineering rabbit hole and discover that this in not an organic sociological evolution but one that one has been manipulated by people who are not a part of this (gangster) culture whose objective is the destruction of America. To undermine a nation you must debase it's moral and social foundation.

I don't subscribe to this notion, personally.

Do you also believe that the Rockefeller's supported women's liberation
because they saw that fifty percent of society was not putting money
into their banks and if the workforce were doubled, so would their
banks' deposits? (I say this respectfully as I know people who
totally ascribe to this.)

What was Tiff's response when Maytee said on the 911 call "You set up my son!" ????

(02-12-2011, 05:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 04:57 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Yes, it is. It's even more alarming and infuriating when you go down the social engineering rabbit hole and discover that this in not an organic sociological evolution but one that one has been manipulated by people who are not a part of this (gangster) culture whose objective is the destruction of America. To undermine a nation you must debase it's moral and social foundation.

I don't subscribe to this notion, personally.

It's not a notion, it's a fact, just as much as manufactured "terror"(ism) is.

Quote:Do you also believe that the Rockefeller's supported women's liberation
because they saw that fifty percent of society was not putting money
into their banks and if the workforce were doubled, so would their
banks' deposits? (I say this respectfully as I know people who
totally ascribe to this.)

If this question is directed at me, the answer is nope.

(02-12-2011, 05:48 PM)shitstorm Wrote: It's not a notion, it's a fact, just as much as manufactured "terror"(ism) is.

I disagree. Society has always had its share of problems. It always will. But, this topic is likely a matter for another section of the forum?

(02-12-2011, 05:37 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 05:09 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 04:57 PM)shitstorm Wrote: Yes, it is. It's even more alarming and infuriating when you go down the social engineering rabbit hole and discover that this in not an organic sociological evolution but one that one has been manipulated by people who are not a part of this (gangster) culture whose objective is the destruction of America. To undermine a nation you must debase it's moral and social foundation.

I don't subscribe to this notion, personally.

Do you also believe that the Rockefeller's supported women's liberation
because they saw that fifty percent of society was not putting money
into their banks and if the workforce were doubled, so would their
banks' deposits? (I say this respectfully as I know people who
totally ascribe to this.)

If your question was aimed at me, my answer is a qualified yes. There's a lot more to it than increasing the income tax base (not necessarily bank deposits). It's about replacing the nuclear family with the state, which benefits an elite class of controllers (who also happen to think of the masses as useless eaters and sheep).

I support HUMAN rights. "Useful idiots" (not my term) often have no idea of the hidden agenda behind social movements which have been carefully planned and directed for a predictable outcome. Additionally, sometimes genuine, organic, movements get hijacked.

(02-12-2011, 05:35 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Maytee knew Lisa's house was going to be burgled. (Whether she
planned it or not, I don't know.)
She did it when she thought Johnny was going to be with Tiff,
who she says she did not know.
Tiff changed her plans. (Preggers gals do that all the time.)
Which caused Johnny to be home when the house was being burgled.
Which suggests that Maytee places the blame for Johnny's demise
onto Tiff because she altered the schedule.

Firmly disagree. Tiffany has a history of running with a group that robbed and beat people. Her X is dead, because of that. In fact, I would venture to guess that this same crew are a good bet for involvement in the JC/LS case. The motive for murder and tying up the victims might also be linked to the death of D.C. The group of thugs may not have wished to take any chances on retribution, this time.

Does anyone know who was involved with the robbery on the night that Don C was shot and killed?

Found this on WTOL 11 Toledo web page "Young couple's slaying might be linked to robbery"

Comment

I want to know why the psycho ex boyfriend of Lisa hasn't been investigated. I would see her at work beat to hell..3 days ago, 1:16:17 PM – Flag –

(02-12-2011, 06:00 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I support HUMAN rights. "Useful idiots" (not my term) often have no idea of the hidden agenda behind social movements which have been carefully planned and directed for a predictable outcome. Additionally, sometimes genuine, organic, movements get hijacked.

If you're talking about the Koch brothers and the Tea Party, there is evidence for this assertion. But not all social movements are hijacked or funded by $ interests. I'm guessing you take issue with progressive movements empowering women and people of color?

(02-12-2011, 05:17 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Any funeral I have been to in the area always has police escort.
Usually they are paid by the Funeral Home. I honestly do not
think I have ever been to a funeral that did not have the escort.
Sometimes they even stop traffic to allow the procession to
pass in one long line.

Were in the Hell do you live?!?

I live in Toledo. I've been to a number of funerals & I think one time a funeral that I attended had a police escort & I assume it was because it was an extrememly large procession for a girl I was in H.S. with who died of natural causes. I also attended a funeral for a kid in the neighborhood I knew who was shot & killed & he didn't have a police escort but his funeral procession wasn't as long. None of my family members have ever had a police escort for their funerals.

(02-12-2011, 06:05 PM)NightOwl Wrote: I want to know why the psycho ex boyfriend of Lisa hasn't been investigated. I would see her at work beat to hell..3 days ago, 1:16:17 PM – Flag –

Likely because T was on the phone with JC that night and her story doesn't pan out? Also the X couldn't have committed the crime alone. Not to mention, he may have been checked out.

I think there had to be at least three people involved?

(02-12-2011, 02:31 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 02:22 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Official polygrapher pages say it is usually NOT done in first
trimester. It can be legally sought at any time.

Of course, anyone can refuse one at any time, however law enforcement
would still have the opportunity to legally request.

I would rather it be done now than have a client use the "Post Partum
Depression" defense after the fact as an excuse for it being an
incriminating test.

I really do not, do not trust poly's, sorry but they can really screw up an innocent person! There was a trucker a serial killer that killing women all along a thruway, and he killed a woman in her back yard in Pennsylvania, slit her throat and her husband was sleeping up stairs, at the time she was on the phone with a friend and dropped the phone, well anyway they pollyed the husband and HE FAILED BIG TIME, BUT IT WASN'T HIM! So I really don't trust those results they are not 100% and they work against the innocent! JMHO

I think they're still a good investigative tool.

Funerals were in Lucas and Wood Counties. The escort preceded
the undertaker's car and hearse to the cemeteries. Perhaps because
of having to travel on I 75? It also could be that you did not notice?
I know when driving, I have been stopped in various placers in
Ohio so a funeral procession could pass. It is an interesting topic.
I am sure one call to a funeral parlor would get the answer.

(02-12-2011, 06:05 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Found this on WTOL 11 Toledo web page "Young couple's slaying might be linked to robbery"

Comment

I want to know why the psycho ex boyfriend of Lisa hasn't been investigated. I would see her at work beat to hell..3 days ago, 1:16:17 PM – Flag –

Well, that's an interesting comment. If it's true then others should be able to confirm it.

(02-12-2011, 06:03 PM)netsleuth Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 05:35 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Maytee knew Lisa's house was going to be burgled. (Whether she
planned it or not, I don't know.)
She did it when she thought Johnny was going to be with Tiff,
who she says she did not know.
Tiff changed her plans. (Preggers gals do that all the time.)
Which caused Johnny to be home when the house was being burgled.
Which suggests that Maytee places the blame for Johnny's demise
onto Tiff because she altered the schedule.

Firmly disagree. Tiffany has a history of running with a group that robbed and beat people. Her X is dead, because of that. In fact, I would venture to guess that this same crew are a good bet for involvement in the JC/LS case. The motive for murder and tying up the victims might also be linked to the death of D.C. The group of thugs may not have wished to take any chances on retribution, this time.

Does anyone know who was involved with the robbery on the night that Don C was shot and killed?

Netsleuth, I couldn't agree more. I was trying to figure out how to reply to that theory

Couldn't find the words. Thank you.

(02-12-2011, 03:06 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: a couple words about polygraphs. i am sure everyone knows they are not admissible in court unless both sides stipulate to them. often, if someone lawyers up their lawyer will do a poly so they can (hopefully) proclaim their client's innocence. you'll never hear about it from the lawyer if it goes south.

police use it as a tool. often it helps to rule someone out. or not.
i only trust them when done by proven experts. like the FBI.
but it IS just a tool.

some people will freak when they are asked to take one, and spill their guts, thinking the poly will have some magical ability to know their deepest secrets.

and of course a person can refuse a poly. that goes to our right not to incriminate ourselves. but then some will infer something nefarious from the refusal, just like they do when someone pleads the Fifth.
i wouldn't rely on one to build a case to take to the DA. it would be a tiny piece of the case.

I agree! I should have read further, lol .. they need to ask that byatch, to take a polygraph, IMO

(02-12-2011, 06:07 PM)Freshbait78 Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 05:17 PM)TotallyCurious Wrote: Any funeral I have been to in the area always has police escort.
Usually they are paid by the Funeral Home. I honestly do not
think I have ever been to a funeral that did not have the escort.
Sometimes they even stop traffic to allow the procession to
pass in one long line.

Were in the Hell do you live?!?

I live in Toledo. I've been to a number of funerals & I think one time a funeral that I attended had a police escort & I assume it was because it was an extrememly large procession for a girl I was in H.S. with who died of natural causes. I also attended a funeral for a kid in the neighborhood I knew who was shot & killed & he didn't have a police escort but his funeral procession wasn't as long. None of my family members have ever had a police escort for their funerals.

usually the funeral homes can round up an escort .. they aren't actual LE/police officers though. The only LE escort I've ever seen, is for other officers, when they die, or any type LE personnel.

(02-12-2011, 04:36 PM)shitstorm Wrote:

(02-12-2011, 02:09 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: thanks....i thought it might get more intense since funeral is probably over now. i am sure anything interesting will get posted here.

You could create a junk email, just to register at FB, and use a phony name. If you don't want your IP involved, use a proxy. Just use the acct to follow cases like this. FB can only data mine what you give them.

I have a fake name with FB