Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[netsleuth]

No Jane, I'm not paranoid. I'm just noting your consistent defense of a person of interest. That's not paranoid, that's observant.

[RJs-Ex]

I haven't seen this discussed here yet. Did Maytee ever go into the house after Johnny's dad kicked the door in? I find it hard to believe she just stayed outside.

[onefortheroad]

Re Tiffany and all the people who thinks she knows more....

I tend to differ from you. Having been in traumatic situations
while pregnant, I think the brain sort of turns off and becomes
numb. It seemed to me like I had no control over that veil that
seemed to envelope me. I cried, I shook, but the main
focus was to try to lie down and be calm and rock the baby
in my belly.

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Please quit dumping on this girl here. 99 times out of 100
she is simply collateral damage. I think she worried about
her friends and got caught into the vortex.


JMHO and Thanks for offering all sides of a story. It is like
a coin. There are two sides but often people forget the
side that rolls, the third side, and maybe that is what we
have here.

God bless your innocence! Unfortunately, the TW's of this world count on people like you to let them off the hook.

[Jane]

Do you know her personally?

Do you?

I don't know her. But I know what her record is and who she associates with. That's in the public record. I do not know that she's guilty. But I do know she should be front burner if LE has half a freaking clue. If she's not front burner, someone should be fired.

get off my fuckin back.. I quoted 'onefortheroad', not you. Take your silly paranoia elsewhere. I'm not going to argue with you. I have my opinion & you have yours. We agree about some things, & we don't on others. Get over it!

[Jane]

No Jane, I'm not paranoid. I'm just noting your consistent defense of a person of interest. That's not paranoid, that's observant.

then you need to go back & real ALL of my posts. You don't know what you're talking about.

[EastCoastKat]

I posted a comment earlier this morning, page 287 #4009. It's been quoted a few times throughout the day. A converstaion that Tiffany had the same night she was here answering questions & some of my thoughts.

I multitask all the time. I generally have about three conversations going at once. In some conversations, I'm polite. Others, not so much.

ok, this is another reason I find it hard to believe TW's involved. She's going on about life, as usual. She's not crying on FB, over-doing the 'sad person' stuff. I can't word, properly, what I mean, ugh..

I think carrying on as if nothing happened makes her look guilty, especially coming so soon after 2 of her friends that she says she'd spent the previous evening with were savagely murdered such a short time before she says they were going to get together!

AGREE

Me too and here's another reason for me I just keep finding more discrepancies:

TW on the board:
"johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there."
TW 911:
well ummm he was yellin at somebody like ummm I'm on ... he goes..bro who are you.. and then umm..I called him right back and he didn't answer.

OH OKAY, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SO, THE GUY TW SAID JC WAS YELLIN AND ARGUING WITH ON THE 911 CALL PROBABLY HEARD JC SAY, TIFF, IMA CALL YOU BACK...THE LAST PERSON/PERSONS TO SEE JC AND LS ALIVE, WAS SOMEBODY, ACCORDING TO TW, WHO PROBABLY HEARD WHO JC WAS TALKING TO? HMMMMM. SO, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, THEN TW FINDS OUT THINGS AREN'T LOOKING SO GOOD FOR JC AND LS, SHE BEEN TEXTING AND CALLING FOR HOURS WITH NO ANSWER AFTER HEARING JC ARGUING WITH SOMEONE. THEN SHE TALKS TO 911 MENTIONS TWICE JC WAS YELLIN AND THEN ARGUING WITH A MAN SAYING "BRO WHO ARE YOU" BUT FORGETS TO SAY JC SAID TIFF, IMA CALL YOU BACK. OKAY AND NOW JC DIDN'T SAY "BRO WHO ARE YOU" BUT HIS EXACT WORDS WERE "BRO WUT R U DOIN".

Every time I read her statements to 911 and on the board they are different, every time I see there is something else that doesn't add up, because it keeps changing....just ever so slightly....ahhh the devils and thier details!

[Jane]

I haven't seen this discussed here yet. Did Maytee ever go into the house after Johnny's dad kicked the door in? I find it hard to believe she just stayed outside.

I've never heard whether she actually went inside or not.

[netsleuth]

get off my fuckin back.. I quoted 'onefortheroad', not you. Take your silly paranoia elsewhere. I'm not going to argue with you. I have my opinion & you have yours. We agree about some things, & we don't on others. Get over it!

::bana::

[netsleuth]

I haven't seen this discussed here yet. Did Maytee ever go into the house after Johnny's dad kicked the door in? I find it hard to believe she just stayed outside.

I don't know if I could go in.

[EastCoastKat]

LOOKS LIKE

[JsMom]

THE NEW PAGE~lol~whatever!
JC and LS Case Open Discussion
Here is the discussion forum everyone has been begging for a link to.

Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
mockforums.net
this is a nice quiet area. they had to know their killers. i'm just hearing about this, need to know more about victims. awful crime. inexplicable. the poor mother of Johnny was in the street screamin
about an hour ago · Share

[shitstorm]

I think the killer/s may have been lying in wait, too. I'll reiterate - it was premeditated murder. First degree, not second. Not incidental to a robbery.

I think you might be right. Since "lots of people" (per Maytee) knew about the key in the garage, I think it IS possible, the perps were already in the house. Johnny & Lisa come in, she heads to change clothes, then the perps come out....BUT it seems odd they'd show themselves while JC's on the phone, don't you think ???

We don't even know if that telephone call story is true. Consider the source

[netsleuth]

LOOKS LIKE

[Jane]

Re Tiffany and all the people who thinks she knows more....

I tend to differ from you. Having been in traumatic situations
while pregnant, I think the brain sort of turns off and becomes
numb. It seemed to me like I had no control over that veil that
seemed to envelope me. I cried, I shook, but the main
focus was to try to lie down and be calm and rock the baby
in my belly.

Johnny was trying to get away from his family's disfunction
and chose the lovely Lisa and her very grounded family. HE
wanted to be different. It would take alot of nurturing for this
to happen. He had Lisa who obviously was a positive person
in his growth forward.

Lisa and Tiff became friends. Good for Tiff. Now I see
Tiff trying to break away from those that hurt her and 'her
past'. How wonderful it is to scream to the world, "I have a
new friend and she is GOOD. I deserve better in my life,
and I am trying for you little baby, and for myself."

I see Tiff as being socked in the gut once more by the
horrors of life. Her new friend is dead. Now where does
she go. I wish I could tell her to keep her dreams. If you
can dream it, you can do it. Walk through the book stores
and see all the 'fuck ups' who are now writing books and
sharing their story for others to try to learn from. IT
CAN BE DONE TIFF!!!

Please quit dumping on this girl here. 99 times out of 100
she is simply collateral damage. I think she worried about
her friends and got caught into the vortex.


JMHO and Thanks for offering all sides of a story. It is like
a coin. There are two sides but often people forget the
side that rolls, the third side, and maybe that is what we
have here.

welllll, I won't go as far as you, where Tiffany is concerned, BUT I will agree with the "collateral damage" comment. I definately agree, it could be the case.

[EastCoastKat]

THE NEW PAGE~lol~whatever!
JC and LS Case Open Discussion
Here is the discussion forum everyone has been begging for a link to.

Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
mockforums.net
this is a nice quiet area. they had to know their killers. i'm just hearing about this, need to know more about victims. awful crime. inexplicable. the poor mother of Johnny was in the street screamin
about an hour ago · Share

Yeah, and she has Lady Cop's avatar too!

[EastCoastKat]

LOOKS LIKE

[Jane]

LOOKS LIKE

MEEEOOOOOOOOW! I'm done with it, if he/she will get off my back. This all started over a comment on whether JC loved his Mama or not go figure, & now I'm the Admin of "Justice for..." GMAFB

[ZEROSPHERES]

Not sure who posted the comment from FB, but it wasn't me.

Trixie posts:
sarbear.. i misss you! can we hang out soon!!
January 30 at 1:40pm

Hi Trixie....Do U know something we all don't know??

[JsMom]

I haven't seen this discussed here yet. Did Maytee ever go into the house after Johnny's dad kicked the door in? I find it hard to believe she just stayed outside.

I've never heard whether she actually went inside or not.

yes she (M) DID go inside!

[HeartBreaker]

THE NEW PAGE~lol~whatever!
JC and LS Case Open Discussion
Here is the discussion forum everyone has been begging for a link to.

Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
mockforums.net
this is a nice quiet area. they had to know their killers. i'm just hearing about this, need to know more about victims. awful crime. inexplicable. the poor mother of Johnny was in the street screamin
about an hour ago · Share

Yeah, and she has Lady Cop's avatar too!

i like how the new page has the words Open Discussion in it... yet there's no way to actually comment or discuss... unless maybe you have to "like" the page to do so???