Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Lady Cop]

Kip: Dutchess





i SAID i was going to tase anyone who spelled DUCHESS wrong again!

Okay, I corrected it. (And I have no excuse - I'm an editor! I have to learn to proof my own posts.)

I'm ready - tase me (I looked for a bending over smilie and didn't see one).

wow, browntabby1226 is bloodthirsty, wants me to tase you! hahaha

here's a good bend over smiley---->

when you see my taser smiley, you've been zapped.

ouch... It woke me up thanks..

when you're REALLY in the doo-doo at Mock, you will be BONED!

[Freshbait78]

DITTO...and let's not forget the fact you find it okay for your husband to catch a ride from someone you're going to accuse set your son up for murder not a half hour later....pleaaazzzzeeee

This is really baffling .... Tiff supposedly called Johnny's best friend's girlfriend first (Sherita/Shareda/Sharita/?), who wouldn't give her Maytee's number - can that be true? and if it is, why wouldn't she give her the number? Tiff can't be given the number for some unknown reason so Maytee has to find out from someone else indirectly, yet John Sr asks Tiff to drive him to the house. Why did he do that? How did he know her friend's mom would be home from work by then and she would have access to a car? Doesn't he have a car himself? How well did Tiff and Johnny's parents know each other? And how did they know each other? Were they friends, or only casual acquaintances - if so, how? Also, who was Johnny's best friend? I thought Ruben or Reuben was his name, but why hasn't his name come up again since?

1. why wouldn't she give her the number? I've had people call me & ask for a someones #. I don't give it out until I check with the the person who's # is being requested.

2. yet John Sr asks Tiff to drive him to the house. Why did he do that? Per Tiffanys testimony, after sharita calls Maytee, John Sr. calls Tiffany. Tiffany rehashes the story, tells John Sr she's going back by there & asks if he wants a ride. He accepts.

3. How did he know her friend's mom would be home from work by then and she would have access to a car? She was already out driving around. Per Tiffanys testimony, she had already been over to the Straubs to check out the scene before calling anyone to alert them of anything.

4. Doesn't he have a car himself? I cannot confirm nor deny that I've heard something about them having a van somewhere in this thread... I don't know where.

5. How well did Tiff and Johnny's parents know each other? And how did they know each other? Were they friends, or only casual acquaintances - if so, how? It sounded to me as if they did not know eachother prior to this incident.

6. who was Johnny's best friend? I've heard Rueben. I tried to look him up on FB after Ruebens mom posted on JCs online funeral registry but did not find any match. Apparently not everyone in the city has a FB. Same goes for a Sharita, nothing. I also used various spellings.

Freshbait, got a question i would like your input on. I feel tiff is in a "a few good men" logic loop. As a reminder of the movie nicholson's character says the victim was in danger, and that men take matters into their own hands, then later says that no one would defy his own order to not touch the victim. Applying this to our case here we have two options:

1) If we believe tiff heard johnny yelling and fighting with someone while she was on the phone then why go over there like shes going to save the day (wonder woman?) and why wait 2 fucking hours to get some real help about it.

2) if we believe tiff heard johnny casually say "I will call you back" then why the need to panick. they arent answering phones, so what.! so your going to drive 20 minutes to see why.? maybe they just decided to do something else and didn't want to include her. They arent answering the door, again so what. they didn't go back to your house, so what. these things don't then require someone to raise the alarm and wake everyone up to go over there and kick in doors. these things alone aren't indicators of foul play. hence why cops didn't enter the residence. Everyone starts to panick b/c a call isn't answered in the middle of the night.? shit they could have just been sleeping and turned off the ringer/ phone.

This goes back to my first gut reaction, someone who was trying to get help for the victims knew of a real danger, something beyond just missed phone calls, something beyond what was on the surface, to start reacting to a phone call ignored. my question is, what could that real know imminent danger be? or is it all a bs set up with fake phone calls etc.

Thus the bullshit logic loop. It doesn't seem it can really be option 1 or 2. it doesn't seem to make a bit of logical sense and when you go back and forth between options 1 and 2 you realize that at some point in this narrative there is a point where the story crumbles. your thought?

My thoughts are this: I don't believe the phone call happened the way it's been said that it did. So in my mind, the whole "Who are you?" "What are you doing?" "What do you want?" With or without "bro" thrown in there, is irrelevant. I do believe there was a phone call, I do believe this was a set up which took multiple people to carry out. This is kinda how I see it played out, in my mind. I'm don't mean to implicate anyone as of yet. This is just MY THEORY:

Johnny is at VDs house with BA just before he has to leave to get Lisa from work. They had just started hanging out again from what VD has stated publicly. Johnny leaves to get Lisa, a phone call is made that he has left & where he's headed. Tiffany calls Johnny at around 11. We know this, what we don't know for fact is what was said on the phone call. I believe the phone call was made to find out his exact location & what exactly he was doing. There may have also been some stalling. Maybe the 1^st time Tiffany called he wasn't home yet so she called back again to find out if he was home yet. (In her version this would have been when she called him back to tell him she was going to the store, this is also why I don't think it was ever intended for Johnny to pick her up) I believe who ever was to do the invasion was with Tiffany that night prior to the invasion. I think it's possible they were dropped off there at the Straubs. I think it's possible that Tiffany went to pick them up when it was done. This would account for Tiffany being there. For anyone who says Why didn't anyone see Tiffany there picking up a group of people: If this was a 3 car garage maybe she pulled into one of the spots in the gargae to load up her passangers? Also Tiffany states that she drove back by her house to see if they had left to pick her up. This could be when Tiffany drops off the people involved. While making her stop at home she calls Sherita and says "OMG I think somethings happened to Johnny I heard XYZ so I went over to the house & saw XYZ... do you think I should call his Mom?" This covers her on why she made the initial phone call to Johnny twice & why she was at the house ringing the door bell (Which could have also been a que to let the perps know it was her there to pick them up. Kinda like I'll ring the door bell 5 times & knock twice) They would not want to use cell phones knowing that they can be traced with pings & call logs. This wasn't for robbery, I think it was staged to look that way OR if it was for robbery it was secondary & it was drugs they wanted or if I really want to stretch it I could even say that the drug periphenalia found was planted. How hard is it to carry little pieces of platic bag in your pocket?

That's about all I've got so far & I may even tweek it a little here & there but I think everyone gets my idea.

[EastCoastKat]

Which still leaves me clueless as to why VD was gone for a week after the murders. No facebook, no nothing. Then a week later on the 8^th of Feb. all of a sudden he pops up on MJ facebook and says hey, sorry for not catchin up with you. I had to hide out for a while. Call me on some new number cuz I don't have a "FONE" anymore. Why no "FONE"? Was it one of those disposable "fones" that drug dealers use to deter LE? Wasn't there many "FONES" found at the scene? Maytee said johnnys "fone" was by/on his body. Then there were reports of "fones" being broken and scattered at the crime scene. Taking off for a little over a week might be enough time to hide your wounds without your "fone" to talk to anybody. Wounds being that someone might have given you if they were fighting for their life.

I agree old acquaintances/old neighborhood rules may have had a lot to do with it and some jealousy that he was with that girl from "rich ville"....

It needs to be looked at that when the intruders got into the house, they felt comfortable being in the house for a little while.

Whether Tiffany was on the phone with Johnny or not when the intruders were there, the crime had to have taken some time.

THEY WERE READING CENTRAL SECURITY DOCUMENTS, FOR GOODNESS SAKES.

The method of murder was not a gun shot, it was a slow suffocation.

They ransacked the hell out of the master bedroom.

They knew they could be in there for some time...like a guaranteed two hours, let's say. I think Tiffany was involved, was the "lookout", was the alibi, was the way in, was the connection!

I too believe this, they took their time and this is probably true.

[Freshbait78]

Talked to my brother again today. He says the FBI contacted his boss to get info on a newly former employee. (I won't give the name unless I have permission to) BUT I looked up this person on FB. He's a 20 yr old male, looks like he joined FB at the end of January & right on the top of his FB friends is AG/AP.

[shitstorm]

It was stated:
I was also told that Maytee tried to get money from the Straubs in some elaborate scheme months before the murders.

Hmm. Wonder if it was overt or covert?

Where was this stated? I've never heard anything like that.

[Freshbait78]

It was stated:
I was also told that Maytee tried to get money from the Straubs in some elaborate scheme months before the murders.

Hmm. Wonder if it was overt or covert?

Where was this stated? I've never heard anything like that.

Ditto!

[esbee]

I've been reading for a while and have decided to post a comment. An associate of mine who is close friends with the Straub family said that they (the Straubs) were at their wits end with Lisa and that they allowed Johnny to stay at their house because it would be easier for them to keep an eye on their daughter. I was also told that Maytee tried to get money from the Straubs in some elaborate scheme months before the murders. Also, a friend of mine who works in the restaurant business says some of the cooks (who purchased drugs from Johnny) were talking about how Johnny owed a lot of money (she didn't specify) for pills and cocaine. While obviously this is just heresay at this point, it is something to consider.

^ here.

[shitstorm]

Hey there all,
My questions have still been unanswered, I was curious if anyone knew the answers. What did Johnny’s father state he actually saw? Has he spoken to anyone (i.e. news, etc)? OR do we know what type of conversation did his father have with Tiffany?

He never said anything about what he and Tiffany talked about in the ride over there.

He said he found them with plastic bags over their faces and he ripped the bags open to see if he could revive them. He didn't talk about the condition of the house, or anything else. Very little has been publicly stated.

[PURPLECATS]

I just found this

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=65069111 lisa's

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=64948350 johhny's

seems to be hidden now or disabled.

seems to be, Tabby ... same here

WOW! That's odd
but i did copy it
It's the memorial of both JC & LS
IT is very long~~~not sure if i can paste it here

LC IS IT OK?????

[shitstorm]

Ruben can be found. It's Ruben P. He has a brother named Mario P. Should be easy to figure out from there

Found where? What FB page do I need I look at the friends list on?

[esbee]

Lisa: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...111&df=all&

I can't find a new one for Johnny.

[esbee]

New Johnny (linked as "spouse" on Lisa's): http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...d=64948350

[Lady Cop]

LC IS IT OK?????


sure.

[RaisingAPrince]

I put a pot of coffee on, & have been reading like crazy. Below is the Nancy Grace transcript, for the interview with Lisa Strub's Uncle (Mr Verbosky) As of this interview, he says the Straub's have been talking to local LE & FBI, daily. He also says he "believes the car was in the driveway"... And since there were no fresh footprints in the snow, anywhere around the home, that's how they figure the perps got in, via the garage door, that leads into the home. He says the driveway was clear, & so were the roads. He even states the garage door would have been up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1...ng.01.html

From that transcript, just so everyone is clear on the name:

I get a phone call about a half an hour ago from his friend [i]Sherita that some girl named Tiffany called her saying that Johnny and Lisa were supposed to pick her up at 11:00...[/i]

So, where is Sherita in all of the FB friends lists?

It keeps getting asked "Where is Sherita's FB". Obviously not EVERY PERSON has a facebook. IE: LadyCop! I know it's hard for people to believe, but perhaps she doesn't have one?

[Lady Cop]

It keeps getting asked "Where is Sherita's FB". Obviously not EVERY PERSON has a facebook. IE: LadyCop! I know it's hard for people to believe, but perhaps she doesn't have one?



i've not seen one.

[Freshbait78]

Ruben can be found. It's Ruben P. He has a brother named Mario P. Should be easy to figure out from there

Found where? What FB page do I need I look at the friends list on?

I found them. Go to VDs page. Now I'm even more confused though because this Rubens girlfriend is not Sharita. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong one but he does have a brother named 1^st initial M. last initial P. I don't know whose name I'm allowed to say anymore or not lol

[PURPLECATS]

LC IS IT OK?????


sure.

THANK YOU i see ESBEE has put the link up that works

[Lady Cop]

i know it's a pain in the ass, but no names of people not connected to murders. easy peasy. you can PM each other. for now. until LE says something.

[shitstorm]

Talked to my brother again today. He says the FBI contacted his boss to get info on a newly former employee. (I won't give the name unless I have permission to) BUT I looked up this person on FB. He's a 20 yr old male, looks like he joined FB at the end of January & right on the top of his FB friends is AG/AP.

FB, was it you has the bartender brother who got that info about rape?


Also, can you put that FB link in the private forum link?

[shitstorm]

I've been reading for a while and have decided to post a comment. An associate of mine who is close friends with the Straub family said that they (the Straubs) were at their wits end with Lisa and that they allowed Johnny to stay at their house because it would be easier for them to keep an eye on their daughter. I was also told that Maytee tried to get money from the Straubs in some elaborate scheme months before the murders. Also, a friend of mine who works in the restaurant business says some of the cooks (who purchased drugs from Johnny) were talking about how Johnny owed a lot of money (she didn't specify) for pills and cocaine. While obviously this is just heresay at this point, it is something to consider.

^ here.

Thanks! I didn't see that post. I must have missed a page.