03-02-2011, 10:21 AM
One last thing, this could also explain the ducts/vents being removed as the perps knew he had a large stash and more than likely he kept it there, being that he lived at her parents house.
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Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
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Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
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03-02-2011, 10:25 AM
as for tiffany and her no future crew, they could not have pulled this off with out leaving evidence. guess she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. if this is the case, hope she realizes how close to death she came. if she had been there she would be dead too. if she is not involved in this. and this does not make her change her life, nothing ever will. jmo
03-02-2011, 10:36 AM
(03-01-2011, 11:56 PM)Jane Wrote:(03-01-2011, 11:51 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote:(03-01-2011, 11:30 PM)fabulous Wrote: LIsa's FB page is gone. RIP LIsa! I have a feeling the family changed the privacy settings.(I would have done the same) They have blocked her name from any type of search, and blocked her friends list for others to view. I found it hard to believe they would delete her page...once it's gone, it's gone. Plus, I'm pretty sure her sister finds comfort in seeing Lisa on her page. 
03-02-2011, 10:41 AM
This is a little long:
I am going to share something, I grew up in neighborhoods just like this in Chicago, my nephew who was actually a Golden Glove contender once, got involved with neighborhood wise guys and dealing coke (1980's) and thought these were his best buddies because he grew up with them. My sister moved him and his siblings out of that neighborhood when he was about 14 but he kept going back. Well a lot of crap happens with drugs and drug dealing and dirty money and he was shot in the head for "possibly" overhearing/seeing something he shouldn't have (went to see a friend just moments after they hit him, and they thought my nephew had seen them leave or had heard something). A few nights later a girlfriend of one of his neighborhood buddies called him and invited him down, there are lot of girls where there are drugs and money, a lot of TW types and younger, so he went to the local neighborhood thug bar, had more than a few drinks and they said they would give him a ride home, yeah a couple of his neighborhood buddies, when he got out of the car they walked right up behind him and shot him behind his right ear in the head, the only thing that saved his life was the Chicago winter weather, believe it or not!! It was so cold it stopped the bleeding long enough to get him to the hospital. We told him over and over again that something bad was going to happen if he kept hanging out there, but he wouldn't give up the old neighborhood! LE kept this under wraps so tight that when I called the hospital to check on him after I heard what happened, they told me he died!!! He didn't, LE just wanted that out on the street, well, that was about 25yrs ago, he suffered some brain damage (although his mother and I don't think he lost too many cells considering some of the decisions he was making at the time) and his right eye, his sinus', his taste and he still has horrible, horrible migraines. He even had a weird feeling that night but still took the ride from his neighborhood buddies, and guess what?? YEP, he wouldn't give up who did it!! Everyone at the thug bar, were of course, deaf, dumb and blind too. Although we all knew who the mid-level wiseguy thug was that ordered it, he wouldn't give it up, not to LE, and they wanted this guy bad but he never really got his hands dirty, if you know what I mean! Everyone in the "neighborhood" knew what was going on and who was behind it, he was as well known as your local alderman, and as well connected, he had a lot of people in his pocket! My nephew was not an innocent here either, he was dealing and he was collecting monies for this low life, my sister and her husband were like LS's parents hardworking never had any run ins with the law, saved every cent they could to get a better home and place to live for their kids, but there was nothing my sister or his father could do to persuade him to stop this, sounds easy right, call the cops, but I have heard stories about these people that would make your hair stand on end, and they weren't just stories! My nephew was a good kid until he thought he could run with the bad boys and get rich and why not, most of them were his neighborhood brothers/buddies right? I am sure Maytee knew what JC was up to but probably didn't know how to stop it without blowing a whistle on the bigger thugs and possibly causing more harm to herself, her hubby and her other kids and of course JC. Maytee was probably much like my sister, who just knew one day she was going to get a phone call. But the one thing I have never, ever seen is this method of killing, EVER. They shoot you, stab you, hang you, overdose you, strangle you, chop you up, but I dont' think I have ever, ever heard of duct tape and plastic bags!! This must be the "new" thing for a new breed of thug. The guy who ordered this on my nephew went to jail, but not for this, actually for a murder he was involved in about 10 yrs earlier, when he use to take the orders and get his hands dirty before he became the one to give the orders...such misplaced trust and loyalty my nephew had to that fucking neighborhood and then that lifestyle of drugs and fast money, and that's what I think happened to JC too. Like my nephew he thought those neighborhood thugs were his buddies, when in fact some of them are probably in the pocket of a known local drug pin and anything JC did or said was probably reported back, and JC was expendable, not really one of them, sort of on the fringe, and he was trying to get out from under and maybe get some quick cash for Barber school. So we may never know what happened, seems like that statement LE is really disturbing because it is just the usual don't worry they were druggies and brought it on themselves kind of statement, but I don't believe these kids were hard core, sorry, very gullible and naive about who they trusted, yes!! It is just a shame that this same story plays out over and over again and just never seems to stop. For once I would love to see LE get these bastards alive and really give them what they deserve. P.S. They went after my nephew because they thought he heard or saw something because of his timing when he went to that friends house, so why wouldn't these "professionals" go after TW and ZB if they were knocking on the door and ringing the bell while the "professionals" were committing a double homicide, somebody was making sure that JC was where he was suppose to be, that's what I think. Did the girl who invited my nephew down to the thug bar know what was going to happen, we aren't sure, but she was used just the same, when the neighborhood thug at the thug bar said "hey why don't you give xxxxx a call and invite him down," she may not of known what she was being used for, not when she called, but later, she knew! Professionals, not in my opinion, unless just getting paid takes you from amateur to professional. Ruthless, merciless, disgusting forms of humanity, yep. 
03-02-2011, 11:07 AM
(03-02-2011, 02:46 AM)BellaMia Wrote: Hello Mockers!!! First time posting. I been following for some time and have spoke with a couple of you. All that talk of an arrest had my heart pumping! This case has had my head spinning. To those of you who have been faithfully investigating this must be absolute torture! I have seen plenty of theories here and was wondering for those who believe that it was older suspects if you had anyone in mind or heard of anything to believe this? Also if you think it would be older relatives of the "main characters" excuding the direct involvement of Maytee/John Sr. theories? I definitely do not think it was the older relatives of Maytee. I used to work with her mom (Irma) and met her father on numerous occasions when he would pick her up from work. They are extremely sweet people, not to mention very small and frail. They are Cuban immigrants and most of the family was still there (at least they were 10 years ago). 
03-02-2011, 11:07 AM
03-02-2011, 11:08 AM
(03-02-2011, 11:05 AM)Jane Wrote: is this thread closed? no...what happened? i haven't had a problem.
03-02-2011, 11:10 AM
03-02-2011, 11:11 AM
(03-02-2011, 09:28 AM)browntabby1226 Wrote:(03-02-2011, 09:26 AM)Lady Cop Wrote: MAYTEE: I don't know if she knows anything, but she's definately gone over the edge. She's only making this harder on herself, living on Facebook.
03-02-2011, 11:12 AM
03-02-2011, 11:12 AM
(03-01-2011, 08:08 PM)esbee Wrote:(03-01-2011, 08:03 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:It's not. At least not in one centralized location. It's scattered in bits and pieces all over the suburbs now.(03-01-2011, 03:24 PM)blueyes Wrote: I'm not knocking anyone but they are career criminals n looks by their fb that they were wanted and running way before the unfortunate murders! And we are talkin bout wanna be Santa's from Toledo they don't know what rapping for their sets even means! They are both WHITE as can be and callin each other nigga....... LOL they are comical, someone needs to take this hood rats and drop them in Cabrini Green in Chicago and see how hard they are then! Everyone on here has great theory's just can't wait to find out what the truth really is! Yeah, re-gentrification, right! 
03-02-2011, 11:13 AM
(03-02-2011, 10:41 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: P.S. They went after my nephew because they thought he heard or saw something because of his timing when he went to that friends house, so why wouldn't these "professionals" go after TW and ZB if they were knocking on the door and ringing the bell while the "professionals" were committing a double homicide, somebody was making sure that JC was where he was suppose to be, that's what I think. Did the girl who invited my nephew down to the thug bar know what was going to happen, we aren't sure, but she was used just the same, when the neighborhood thug at the thug bar said "hey why don't you give xxxxx a call and invite him down," she may not of known what she was being used for, not when she called, but later, she knew! I agree with this opinion. I am sure this was an incredibly difficult experience to post. I just don't want you to lose hope that the perpetrators of this crime won't be found. I truly do not believe that LE views these victims as "throwaways." Bottom line is that we have no idea of who or what LE is investigating, the evidence they possess or the case they are building. I really think the statements by LE are in response to a fearful public's demand for answers and not an indication of passivity.
03-02-2011, 11:14 AM
(03-02-2011, 07:32 AM)pspence Wrote: Wow. Still processing the latest info...like always I'm with ShitStorm...sounds like hardened criminals to me...killed before and I never thought about how they "locked up" before they left...gangsta kid wanna-bes wouldn't have thought to do that... I think the mistake you all keept making is that these are "gangsta kid wanna-bes." A wanna-be talks tough but doesn't act on it. These kids act on their stupidity, know no better, therefore are REAL gangstas! I can't stand people calling them wanna-bes because I am from the area and wouldn't dare call them that to their face because they feel as though they have something to prove and would smack you right then for saying such things. Not to mention get their homies all riled up trying to prove how real they are. 
03-02-2011, 11:16 AM
(03-02-2011, 11:12 AM)Jane Wrote:(03-02-2011, 11:08 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:(03-02-2011, 11:05 AM)Jane Wrote: is this thread closed? Happened to me too! I panicked. I thought the thread was closed. I need my Mock fix!!
03-02-2011, 11:16 AM
I don't think anyone was making sure JC & LS were where they were suppose to be. I think the perps were watching them, casing out the house that evening, waiting for them to get home. jmo
03-02-2011, 11:17 AM
03-02-2011, 11:18 AM
(03-02-2011, 11:13 AM)esbee Wrote:(03-02-2011, 10:41 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote: P.S. They went after my nephew because they thought he heard or saw something because of his timing when he went to that friends house, so why wouldn't these "professionals" go after TW and ZB if they were knocking on the door and ringing the bell while the "professionals" were committing a double homicide, somebody was making sure that JC was where he was suppose to be, that's what I think. Did the girl who invited my nephew down to the thug bar know what was going to happen, we aren't sure, but she was used just the same, when the neighborhood thug at the thug bar said "hey why don't you give xxxxx a call and invite him down," she may not of known what she was being used for, not when she called, but later, she knew!I agree with this opinion. I guess that is why I am so drawn to this case, plus the horrible method of death!
03-02-2011, 11:18 AM
(03-02-2011, 11:16 AM)kitty1 Wrote:(03-02-2011, 11:12 AM)Jane Wrote:(03-02-2011, 11:08 AM)Lady Cop Wrote:(03-02-2011, 11:05 AM)Jane Wrote: is this thread closed? i haven't closed it, i won't close it. i notified our tech person. sometimes gremlins get in software. 
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