Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[JsMom]

This is very interesting. The East Coast Rapist was identified by DNA...
but look how they got it. So we do not have to worry about any cheek
swabs....

From the newspaper....
"After a DNA hit from a discarded cigarette identified Thomas as the East Coast Rapist Friday morning, detectives from New Haven and Virginia secured arrest warrants, authorities said."

(They were following him and when he tossed a cigarette on the ground,
they retrieved it and Walla!....one less perv on the loose.)

O WOW! I hadnt heard they were following him a retrieved a cigarette he threw out the window! GOOD ONE LE!

[shitstorm]

I worship at your feet.

Shitstorm

So do I

zero....

Stop that! Both of you.

[BellaMia]

Why do you feel your niece shut down on you? Did she offer any insight at all? Does she know TW? Did she by chance know Johnny or Lisa?

If no one knows about TW's facebook being public or private, if you'll email me the link to it I'll check it out and let you know.

She knows two people with the name tw that have children that both reside in the toledo area. When i asked her information about the case she wouldn't answer any of my questions and stopped talking to me. One of the TW profiles that is on my niece's page was just created in february which i FIND very odd this person also don't spell words with c and a k together just like a lot of the people that we are finding on the facebook pages. I know some of the people have started new facebook pages and was wondering if TW started a new facebook page or not. Did TW go into police custody at all since the murders? I don't want to jump to conclusions but i swore i saw this same girl on someone else's page but now i can't find the link.

Im not 100% positive but I am almost 90%. She didnt go into police custody but AP did for others reasons!

thank you for answering even though you are unsure. i am curious if she did go in even if it wasn't for this. even if it was unrelated, do we know if tw had a criminal history? sounds funny asking that...

This I have no idea about! I wouldnt go to no ones house after hearing what she heard on the other end (Johnnys talkin to someone). My mind would be on something is wrong and Im not gettin involved! but IDK some people dont think first!

I think she went in the house when she went there. I'm wondering if she saw the the bodies. If she didnt know what was going on what would stop her from just entering through the garage to see if they were home you know. I dont know im all over the place. My mind jumps from one thing to the next, but this keeps popping up. With her history/ties in Donalds murder I probably wouldnt have called authorities myself either.

[JsMom]

She knows two people with the name tw that have children that both reside in the toledo area. When i asked her information about the case she wouldn't answer any of my questions and stopped talking to me. One of the TW profiles that is on my niece's page was just created in february which i FIND very odd this person also don't spell words with c and a k together just like a lot of the people that we are finding on the facebook pages. I know some of the people have started new facebook pages and was wondering if TW started a new facebook page or not. Did TW go into police custody at all since the murders? I don't want to jump to conclusions but i swore i saw this same girl on someone else's page but now i can't find the link.

Im not 100% positive but I am almost 90%. She didnt go into police custody but AP did for others reasons!

thank you for answering even though you are unsure. i am curious if she did go in even if it wasn't for this. even if it was unrelated, do we know if tw had a criminal history? sounds funny asking that...

This I have no idea about! I wouldnt go to no ones house after hearing what she heard on the other end (Johnnys talkin to someone). My mind would be on something is wrong and Im not gettin involved! but IDK some people dont think first!

I think she went in the house when she went there. I'm wondering if she saw the the bodies. If she didnt know what was going on what would stop her from just entering through the garage to see if they were home you know. I dont know im all over the place. My mind jumps from one thing to the next, but this keeps popping up. With her history/ties in Donalds murder I probably wouldnt have called authorities myself either.

Maybe she did~IDK~I do see ur point tho! Keeps me puzzled as well!

[shitstorm]

If Tiffany saw Johnny and Lisa, post crime, then she is one cool cookie on that 911 call. I don't believe she did.

[JsMom]

<3 <3 <3 MAY JUSTICE PREVAIL SOON FOR BOTH FAMILIES <3 <3 <3

G.night fellows MOTHER MOCKERS

Have a great night all of you and Sweet Dreams

[notsure]

Allow me to draw a finer point on our perceived differences of opinion, SS:

I agree that what Texas did was highly improper....

I'm back and after a hot bath, AND a hot shower, I'm almost too relaxed to write a post that requires deep thought. I promised an answer, though, and I shall address this.

But, if a woman asks the state to provide her with the costs of hospitalization and delivery of her child and/or support by the state; if a man or woman asks the courts of the state to establish paternity and enforce rights to child support or custody or parental access and time-sharing …

are you saying that in those circumstances a state does not have the right to require that, in return for the individual invoking the powers of the state and its courts, the state may have on the books a law requiring the furnishing of DNA by the parties affected by its actions?

The state can and will do anything it can get away with, as the nature of power is to perpetuate itself, ALWAYS, and the founders warned about this. It is our job to keep things in check and we have failed, in most respects.

The question that you pose is a very important one because it goes right to the heart of the very foundations of this country. When an individual gives up personal responsibility and power to another authority, liberty is lost. Should it be? No. Is it in keeping with the Constitution and the sovereignty of the individual? No. In the situation that you have laid out the individual becomes subservient to the state. That's a socialist concept and philosophy and it has to be challenged if we are to save ourselves from tyranny.

Here's the rub: Most people are so ignorant that they wouldn't know Thomas Jefferson from a hole in the wall. They do not understand their rights, the assaults on those rights, the dangers in giving up personal liberty and, as a result, they would never question what's being traded for favors from the state. This reminds me of the Miranda issue where people have to be informed of what their rights are. Even then you can tell them and they have no idea of the philosophy and principals that established that they have those unalienable rights, endowed by the Creator. Even worse, after the ignorant, who CAN be educated, there's a significant percentage that are just flat out stupid. Many of those get state "benefits" (i.e., PRIVILEGES in exchange for rights). No class of American is immune to this ignorance, and that applies to state employees, lawyers, judges and politicians, as well. We're a dumbed down nation. It was just a small minority of dedicated people that pulled off the American revolution and led the masses to freedom. It's no different, now.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

~ Samuel Adams

Mr. Adams was talking about liberty.

Socialism - the taking from to give to another - is contrary to our Constitution. It's in full swing, though, and I completely oppose the idea that anyone who has been led down that primrose path, without understanding the pitfalls, should lose their birthright of personal liberty. I know that it happens but that doesn't mean that it can't be turned around. When FDR created the New Deal and the welfare state, followed by LBJ and the Great Society, people received state assistance without some of the intrusions we see now, so why should we should allow things to get worse? We need to turn this ship around, not continue down the Orwellian road we're on. Before DNA, people got welfare. Until the welfare is undone, I don't see why anyone should be treated like their state property.

What is more personal than the very blueprint of YOU? The implications of institutions taking and storing DNA are immense. When someone takes it, how can you trust what will be done with it? If we're talking about something beyond a criminal data base, what's the purpose? Will states give it to universities who will, in turn, get patents with pharmaceutical companies - with the owner of that DNA is unaware and not compensated for the "sale"? Will it go the to the Human Genome Project? If so, what for? How about the Department of Defense to make gene specific bio weapons? Perhaps big pharma will use it to create vaccines that are harmful to a certain segment of the population that another class might like to see reduced or culled. Maybe someone would like to sell your DNA to employers, like credit reports. It won't be long (if it hasn't already happened) before the dissident gene is isolated. What happens then - a little visit to the state headshrinkers for some "medication" (just like the USSR with better technology)? There are a million possibilities of how this could be (and is) abused. History, especially American history, should teach us to expect the absolute worse where government is concerned. Under no circumstances should anyone give up something so personal without being fully informed and aware of any potential consequences.


As for being a "collectivist" the whole point of people getting together and creating states and other forms of government is for the purpose of leveraging the power of the people, so as to protect people and obtain the strength found in numbers. IMHO that's why we have constitutions which define the powers of the state and reserve all other powers to the people.

The people have all the rights not granted to the state, and the state is to exercise the will of the people.

Absent granting some collective powers to a state created by the people, one has anarchy. You're not an anarchist, are you?

I didn't think so.




It's not Feds>States>People

It's People>States>Feds

Rights lie with the People and powers are delegated to the States and the Federal government. The will of any collective does not usurp the rights of the individual. Whenever that happens it's abuse of power. Let it go on long enough and it will take a violent revolution to reclaim what we've lost.

Am I an anarchist? Maybe. Define anarchist. Serioulsy, I don't know. There are many forms of anarchism. Just go to the Ron Paul Forums and ask! There's a bunch of them, there. I would be THRILLED to see our country return to the Constitution. If there is going to be government, it's the best model (besides something like the Iroquois Nations). I want to see the day when Americans, who don't do harm to their neighbors, can live in anonymity if they so choose. I don't want government up my ass or in my business. Anything less is not freedom.


Now, with that, I expect Lady Cop is gonna tase me for SERIOUS thread drift. In my defense I will say that there is NOTHING going on with this case so drift is inevitable (for me, lol).

you should probably limit those bath/ showers. (yea that starwars smiley doesn't apply but I just found it and thought it was cool)

[shitstorm]

'Nite, JsMom.

[eye.of.my]

can you verify if the rumors are true about Lisa being injured worse than Johnny? Was a baseball bat used? Was Lisa raped? Was her tongue injured?

I have heard that she was worse than him and it was a closed casket to his open but he didnt look good either but thats from him sitting so long I guess.

I am calling BS on Eye's "insider" information. What has come of your "I know something you don't know" from the other day? Nothing. You don't know any more than the rest of us obsessed fools. Get us all excited to hear something new so we keep following only to have to listen to a certain Maytee reject alternate between whining and sucking up......sheesh.

Sorry feeling bitchy because I really thought we'd hear something by now. I fixin to go get my drank on with my niggas...peace out homies.

And I also said I wondered if the family wasnt just throwing that out there.....Yes I may have gotten a little excited but everything else I have got has been confirmed soon after hearing. I will say again I can't help but wonder if the family is just putting this out there as a scare tactic of some sort.

Wasn't meaning to offend, Eye. I just like to call out BS when I hear it. Course I call it to myself when I read on here all the time, its just that I actually HOPED you really did have some insider info!

None taken, I hoped the same and when I heard it and it came from a family member of the victims to my source I was hopefull. Must be one of Maytees ways of driving us even crazier by putting false info out there. But I do apologize as this is the first time my source has wronged me.

[shitstorm]

you should probably limit those bath/ showers. (yea that starwars smiley doesn't apply but I just found it and thought it was cool)

lol

Some times I think I had a past life with those guys.

(ETA: Not the Star Wars dudes)

[ToledoNative]

This is very interesting. The East Coast Rapist was identified by DNA...
but look how they got it. So we do not have to worry about any cheek
swabs....

From the newspaper....
"After a DNA hit from a discarded cigarette identified Thomas as the East Coast Rapist Friday morning, detectives from New Haven and Virginia secured arrest warrants, authorities said."

(They were following him and when he tossed a cigarette on the ground,
they retrieved it and Walla!....one less perv on the loose.)

O WOW! I hadnt heard they were following him a retrieved a cigarette he threw out the window! GOOD ONE LE!

Once something with your DNA leaves your possession in a public place, the police are free (and have done so many times) to retrieve it.
I saw once they sat and waited for someone to leave an outdoor restaurant. The guy left his empty paper cup on the table. Once he walked away, police swooped in and took it. Bam! They had their evidence.

[Miss Conspiracy]

This is very interesting. The East Coast Rapist was identified by DNA...
but look how they got it. So we do not have to worry about any cheek
swabs....

From the newspaper....
"After a DNA hit from a discarded cigarette identified Thomas as the East Coast Rapist Friday morning, detectives from New Haven and Virginia secured arrest warrants, authorities said."

(They were following him and when he tossed a cigarette on the ground,
they retrieved it and Walla!....one less perv on the loose.)

In the words of the Great Charlie Sheen: WINNING!

They are having a Charlie Sheen skit on SNL right now

[Miss Conspiracy]

can you verify if the rumors are true about Lisa being injured worse than Johnny? Was a baseball bat used? Was Lisa raped? Was her tongue injured?

I have heard that she was worse than him and it was a closed casket to his open but he didnt look good either but thats from him sitting so long I guess.

She had an open casket

Makes one wonder just what is true and what isn't. Two people. Two
different views of the casket. Ouch. Wonder how much else on here is
absolute bs? One of the two above is incorrect.

I have read this entire thread and to my knowledge no one has ever said she had a closed casket?????? I was at the showing. she had an open casket with no signs of injury. her hair was covering her neck.

That's so sad that her hair was covering her neck :( There was obviously a reason for that. visible injuries to the neck. Did they mention of the "injuries to the neck" were on Lisa only or both?

[shitstorm]

I wonder how Lisa's sister is doing. She must be so lost. She went from having a sister to being an only child. On her MySpace page she said that Lisa was her hero.

[Miss Conspiracy]

I wonder how Lisa's sister is doing. She must be so lost. She went from having a sister to being an only child. On her MySpace page she said that Lisa was her hero.

They seemed close. I can't even imagine. I have four sisters and am close to all of them... this would be so devastating :(

[van64]

I wonder how Lisa's sister is doing. She must be so lost. She went from having a sister to being an only child. On her MySpace page she said that Lisa was her hero.

Ironically, I thought of her sister today also. Is her sister older or younger? Do we know? I'm sure this is very difficult for her sister to handle as well.

[Miss Conspiracy]

RIP Johnny We all just want justice for johnny n lisa and its all in the works JUSTICE will be served but what we dont want is a bunch of peeping toms snooping around our pages and copying n pasting going on their wanna be pathetic sites lying speculating running around spreading rumors and lies like chickens with heads cut off a...nd have no clues of the real facts at hand come on get a life people and leave ours alone
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RIP Johnny Amen
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RIP Johnny I just deleted like five that i found on here
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RIP Johnny And ban them
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ALRIGHT which one of yous did she ban?!?!

[AriGold]

RIP Johnny We all just want justice for johnny n lisa and its all in the works JUSTICE will be served but what we dont want is a bunch of peeping toms snooping around our pages and copying n pasting going on their wanna be pathetic sites lying speculating running around spreading rumors and lies like chickens with heads cut off a...nd have no clues of the real facts at hand come on get a life people and leave ours alone
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RIP Johnny I just deleted like five that i found on here
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RIP Johnny And ban them
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ALRIGHT which one of yous did she ban?!?!

Perhaps she'd care to enlighten us on the "facts" so we could stop "speculating".

[shitstorm]

I wonder how Lisa's sister is doing. She must be so lost. She went from having a sister to being an only child. On her MySpace page she said that Lisa was her hero.

Ironically, I thought of her sister today also. Is her sister older or younger? Do we know? I'm sure this is very difficult for her sister to handle as well.

She's older. He name is Lindsay. She was in some of the photos, at a party, with Lisa. She didn't live at home.

[AriGold]

I like you shitpost.

It's refreshing to talk with someone who is educated and can engage in an intellectual conversation; a rare find these days.