Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Butterfly Girl]

http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/news/local/...eriff-says

[onefortheroad]

Whos MM? Does anyone know why they went all that way to arrest them???Thats a little odd....Unless they have something to do with it...

The two guys they got in Kansas were found on a Army base.In order to get on a U.S. military base they would have had to show their I.D.s.I'm sure the M.P.s at the gate ran their names and they came up wanted.So the marshals picked them up.I'm sure no LE from Toledo went all the way there just for these two genius's.Just a normal id check did those two in.Probably not smart enough to realize someone on base might actually want to know who they were.
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The raid supposedly took place at MM's sister's house. Not sure if the sister lived in base housing or off-base. When my husband was an active duty Marine, we lived in base housing. MY experience was that if the driver had a current military ID for that station, then they would just let you through. When I had friends and family visit, they never checked any of their ID's. It really depends on the base and the security level as to whether or not they check ID's.
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I think the sister lives on base and her husband is away on active duty.

[onefortheroad]

Someone stole the grave marker n wrapped beads around angels neck...... wow

damn!!! Is there a link to this interview? ... nevermind it's WTOL right?

Wtol.com she is fake sunglasses n no visible tears.... weird

She could be medicated.

[onefortheroad]

Ok well, that's good. But not having a match is bad. Very bad. A match may never appear in a DNA database.

yeah, not good, ugh

I would suggest that Tiffany knows who was invited to come to the house that night; and by a process of simple deduction the perpetrators are in that group of people or are known to one or more members of that group of people.

If Tiffany would provide those names and identities to LE, and each of those persons were required to provide samples of DNA and fingerprints, the odds of solving this crime would rise considerably.

But Tiffany's life motto on her Face book was something along the lines of "I'm a down ass bitch and I rides 4 my niggas and bitches" which I have suggested can be translated to something like this:

Attention potential suitors: I am not a high maintenance woman.
Attention my friends: I am loyal to a fault and would not "snitch" on you if you committed a crime.

Perhaps some of those here on Mock, who have a higher opinion of Tiffany, could provide a more accurate translation of her said life motto; and could persuade her to provide the police with such a list under oath.

There is nothing that says she can't give statements under oath to the police now, while pregnant, which could include a written list with names and addresses, etc.

Loved your translation of her motto, Methu!

I think this down ass bitch could provide the identities of the perps if she chose justice over gang loyalties.

[pspence]

I think it was Curious that said "Going back in time, doesn't it seem odd that TW who is/was living with Mr. Z, reportedly JC's BFF, has not met Maytee until the night of the murders? On top of that, why would TW have to call Sarita (sp?) to get in touch with Maytee if she was, according to her own account, with his BFF...one would think he would have her number. Lastly, I find it odd that JC, Sr. would get a ride to the Straub's home from the very person Maytee would accuse minutes later of setting her son up for murder...idk, more random thoughts that I can't find a logical explanation for..."

I've wondered the same thing...plus - if I put my self in Maytee's situation (God forbid) and from a sound sleep get a call from my cousin (Serita) telling me she got a call from a girl named T and T was worried and on her way to pick up Serita and Jsr to Lisa's house - I would have thanked T - not blamed her for it...very wierd...

I think Maytee didn't have any tears because she has been all cried out...

that sheriff must have really gotten an ass chewing for the words he chose because he "retired" immediately after...

anyone else notice when Lisa's uncle talks he always refers to "Lisa's" death or "Lisa's struggle" whatever...never says "their death" or refers to Johnny in any way...

[Duchess]

anyone else notice when Lisa's uncle talks he always refers to "Lisa's" death or "Lisa's struggle" whatever...never says "their death" or refers to Johnny in any way...

The possibility is huge that her family blames Johnny for ALL of this. I think I probably would too if I were in their shoes. Sorry, but it is what it is. *shrugs*

[pspence]

I think you are right Duchess

[My3littlepiggies]

Toledo Blades article published this morning
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...puted.html

[van64]

Unless TW and Mr. Z have left the city, sounds to me like LE has fully cleared them.
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LE wouldn't be waiting for TW to give birth so they can run a lie detector test on her if she'd been cleared.
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True, but the one article stated LE believed the perps had left the area. I'm assuming TW is still in the area.

[Lady Cop]

I thought the same thing. It was eerie. I wonder how many problems she's going to have with the grave now. How many copy cats are going to screw with his grave. Thats sad. People are sick.

I just thought of something. IF Johnny had gang ties, & I do think he did, would members WANT something like this? His marker?

Surprised LE didn't have surviellence at both grave sites...and I'm biting my tongue as to what I really want to say, out of respect.

Out of respect to LE? Please, be my guest. Your comments will not offend me.

does this imply that you are LE?
i had to laugh yesterday when someone said "no offense LC" and you replied "no offense taken". you presume to speak for me too?

you still haven't corrected your DOB and age "typo." frankly i think you're the biggest blowhard, arrogant know-it-all post whore i have seen in years. you put pink and netsleuth to shame for blah blah blah bullshit. it's like this is the *van* thread.
your nasty rude dismissive, supercilious and superior reply to the wife of a LEO was about the final straw for me. you attacked LE totally unfairly and viciously, and i am one lifelong altruistic cop that isn't going to put up with that crap in my forum. i didn't risk my life for years for you to come here and announce your contempt for me and my profession repeatedly. you can go to the LE thread Shitstorm started with your diatribe. be sure to post "feeding at the public trough" another 7 or 8 times, it appears to be your mantra. couldn't you learn another insult to parrot ad nauseum?
as far as i'm concerned, you can bugger on out of this thread. and stay out. i don't welcome you.



everyone else, please, i'd like to tighten up this thread and stop all the off-topic silly stuff. i try to keep crime forum threads as serious as they should be. i've been guilty of it too since we have been bored and restless, i do understand. thanks for hanging in! LC

[blueyes]

Johnny's mom went to his gravesite and his grave marker was stolen!!!!! It was a tempory marker. A rope with beads was wrapped around neck of angel at gravesite

despicable!!!! I just can not believe that shit! U think it was the perps making a statement? like, Im still around?? WOW!

I have to agree! Now that the news made a statement n said they are "out of area" and people automatically think out of city/state this happens! HELLO STATEMENT

[Lady Cop]

I thought the same thing. It was eerie. I wonder how many problems she's going to have with the grave now. How many copy cats are going to screw with his grave. Thats sad. People are sick.

I just thought of something. IF Johnny had gang ties, & I do think he did, would members WANT something like this? His marker?

Surprised LE didn't have surviellence at both grave sites...and I'm biting my tongue as to what I really want to say, out of respect.

Out of respect to LE? Please, be my guest. Your comments will not offend me.

does this imply that you are LE?
i had to laugh yesterday when someone said "no offense LC" and you replied "no offense taken". you presume to speak for me too?

you still haven't corrected your DOB and age "typo." frankly i think you're the biggest blowhard, arrogant know-it-all post whore i have seen in years. you put pink and netsleuth to shame for blah blah blah bullshit. it's like this is the *van* thread.
your nasty rude dismissive, supercilious and superior reply to the wife of a LEO was about the final straw for me. you attacked LE totally unfairly and viciously, and i am one lifelong altruistic cop that isn't going to put up with that crap in my forum. i didn't risk my life for years for you to come here and announce your contempt for me and my profession repeatedly. you can go to the LE thread Shitstorm started with your diatribe. be sure to post "feeding at the public trough" another 7 or 8 times, it appears to be your mantra. couldn't you learn another insult to parrot ad nauseum?
as far as i'm concerned, you can bugger on out of this thread. and stay out. i don't welcome you.



everyone else, please, i'd like to tighten up this thread and stop all the off-topic silly stuff. i try to keep crime forum threads as serious as they should be. i've been guilty of it too since we have been bored and restless, i do understand. thanks for hanging in! LC

[van64]

I think Maytee didn't have any tears because she has been all cried out...

that sheriff must have really gotten an ass chewing for the words he chose because he "retired" immediately after...

anyone else notice when Lisa's uncle talks he always refers to "Lisa's" death or "Lisa's struggle" whatever...never says "their death" or refers to Johnny in any way...

Interesting observations. I suppose Lisa's family is trying to put some distance between her and Johnny. But you know what? You don't pick and choose who you fall in love with.

[van64]

Toledo Blades article published this morning
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...puted.html

Straight from the article referenced above:
James Verbosky, spokesman for the family of homicide victim Lisa Straub, said Sgt. James Schiavone made a number of comments at the trustees' Feb. 21 meeting that were speculative or inaccurate. Among them, Sergeant Schiavone said the deaths of Miss Straub, 20, and her boyfriend, Johnny S. Clarke, 21, were "professional" hits, that both victims had "serious drug problems, gang connections, and everything else," and that he would be surprised if those responsible for the slayings were ever arrested.

[blueyes]

Going back in time, doesn't it seem odd that TW who is/was living with Mr. Z, reportedly JC's BFF, has not met Maytee until the night of the murders? On top of that, why would TW have to call Sarita (sp?) to get in touch with Maytee if she was, according to her own account, with his BFF...one would think he would have her number. Lastly, I find it odd that JC, Sr. would get a ride to the Straub's home from the very person Maytee would accuse minutes later of setting her son up for murder...idk, more random thoughts that I can't find a logical explanation for...

Maybe Johnny's father had no wheels or no money for gasoline,TW just became a friend of Lisa's and probably had never met Maytee before - I think she got a hold of Sarita to ask for Maytee's number - I finally think Maytee was half out of her head or mind and took everything out on this TW.

I think TW might have "known" daddy ( John Sr) prior to that night, if ya get what I mean!

[van64]

Toledo Blades article published this morning
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2...puted.html

Straight from the article referenced above:
James Verbosky, spokesman for the family of homicide victim Lisa Straub, said Sgt. James Schiavone made a number of comments at the trustees' Feb. 21 meeting that were speculative or inaccurate. Among them, Sergeant Schiavone said the deaths of Miss Straub, 20, and her boyfriend, Johnny S. Clarke, 21, were "professional" hits, that both victims had "serious drug problems, gang connections, and everything else," and that he would be surprised if those responsible for the slayings were ever arrested.

This is the first time I have seen this quote about LE thinking the perps may never be arrested.

[blueyes]

On the Justice will prevail page Maytee states that Lisa lived with them for a year and a half and was considered family.

Her sunglasses are prescription for Migraine Headaches.

I think all of this is so sad and now a freak steals a monument.

I am sorry I have CHRONIC migraine 3-5 a week and work in the medical.profession and never heard of prescription sunglasses for treatment and it was DARK.......

[DickTracy]

On the Justice will prevail page Maytee states that Lisa lived with them for a year and a half and was considered family.

Her sunglasses are prescription for Migraine Headaches.

I think all of this is so sad and now a freak steals a monument.

I am sorry I have CHRONIC migraine 3-5 a week and work in the medical.profession and never heard of prescription sunglasses for treatment and it was DARK.......

I do believe they are called Polarized Sunglasses.

[onefortheroad]

True, but the one article stated LE believed the perps had left the area. I'm assuming TW is still in the area.

For one thing, I don't think TW is one of the perps, but has knowledge, and for another, I'm sure she's on the southside, which is NOT the same area where this occurred.

[wanttoknow]

Does anyone else think it's strange, that Maytee was on the news the same day as Lisa's uncle? Maybe it was just a coincidence.