(03-12-2011, 01:56 AM)Nina Wrote: I waver back and forth on AG being active in it too. But I think he knows who it was and TW was involved. She may not have known they were going to kill them, but she knew something was going to happen that night.
I believe that too.
Same here, and becomming more and more curious about Z's role in it as well.
I'm with you guys (not sure about Z yet)...One thing I feel strongly about is TW is in up to her lying eyeballs in this murder. I'm sure she wasn't tough enough to put the bags over her frenemies heads but she sure played the bait & hook part really good...IMO
an earlier post ""Johnny was a tender hearted guy who was straighted up - thus
the reason for being at the Straubs and choosing to be with a girl
like Lisa. I bet this is far far far more tragic than we ever thought."
I agree...
Spay and neuter your dogs and cats. Ban gas chambers in your local shelters. User made the call. User made a difference!
Totally Curious wrote "If other people post it = either do not read it or ignore it if you do. You started it by the drug rant and you did indeed say you were doing a bunch of drugs and drowning it with booze. Just don't react. You are making yourself look pathetic. "
I disagree totally...JsMom was trying to be human and reach out to Maytee by making a joke...sit down and talk with us with whatever relaxes you...a beer...a joint...or in my case a diet pepsi...you are not making yourself look pathetic at all - just sticking up for yourself...but try not to get pulled in...she is just so badly hurting...my heart breaks for her...
Spay and neuter your dogs and cats. Ban gas chambers in your local shelters. User made the call. User made a difference!
Curious: I just read the possible copy cat murder/robbery of the Texas robbery...so creepy...
I know I have changed my mind a thousand times about this case but after reading so many of the insightful posts...I'm about convinced that:
this was merely a robbery that escalated and got out of hand - by people Johnny thought were his friends....they didn't think J/L would be home at that time....it got ugly really quickly...Johnny so strong and trying to protect his girlfriend and her parents home that he felt responsible for...started shouting and defending ...Johnny probably while defending his turf and aghast at what these people were doing that he thought were his friends started shouting things about them that pisst them off and hence the murders ...
this could be my "final answer" until the arrests...
any thoughts out there?
Spay and neuter your dogs and cats. Ban gas chambers in your local shelters. User made the call. User made a difference!
(03-12-2011, 06:20 AM)pspence Wrote: any thoughts out there?
None other than I pretty much agree with you. I don't think anyone was supposed to die that night. I think things simply got out of control, that whatever plan they had fell apart & things escalated from there. I've never thought this was a professional hit, I think J & L knew their killers.
(03-12-2011, 06:20 AM)pspence Wrote: any thoughts out there?
None other than I pretty much agree with you. I don't think anyone was supposed to die that night. I think things simply got out of control, that whatever plan they had fell apart & things escalated from there. I've never thought this was a professional hit, I think J & L knew their killers.
well since i said that from day one, we could have saved 880 pages of bandwidth.
A sincere thanks to wolf on the mock forum for your choice of words adressing our families and our kids johnny and lisa their siblings my husband and i and the straub family you truly have our respect unlike many others that just want to attack gossip and speculate and lie about things and situations they are truly clueless about. Thank you again god bless
Let's be real...if this had happened to one of our children it would hurt to read all of our theories on here (a hit because he owed $, was a drug dealer, a snitch, etc.)...I have a feeling Maytee knows from the LE that this was a robbery gone bad...those poor precious kids just happened to be home when the people who pretended to be his friends - were probably there the night before when the neighbors said there was a party and casing out the place...
Spay and neuter your dogs and cats. Ban gas chambers in your local shelters. User made the call. User made a difference!
(03-12-2011, 06:26 AM)pspence Wrote: Let's be real...if this had happened to one of our children it would hurt to read all of our theories on here
Yes, it would but common sense would tell us to stay the hell away.
We don't control what others do, Maytee has the option of not reading and/or telling people she's not interested in knowing what's being said. She's an adult who has free will, if it's truly so upsetting, don't read, it's as simple as that.
Personally, I think she enjoys the attention. She returns day after day to read & then proceeds to respond to what she reads. When it comes to the internet, I don't go places I'm not interested in, no one makes me do anything I don't want to do online, I'm in control & so is everyone else who sits in front of their monitor or smartphone.
(03-11-2011, 06:32 PM)WolfHouse Wrote: Open Words to The Straubs, Lindsay, and Extended Family,
Maytee, John Sr, their boys, and LE.
There are pages and pages of speculation on here about everyone
except the man in the moon. A huge percentage of them will be
incorrect and rumors gone amuck.
I can totally understand where family members are coming from and I beg for
them to let it roll over like water over a duck. No one is trying to do
anything but solve the case.
Here is an example of how things can go weird fast. One poster said
that the East Coast Murderer was ID'd by a cigarette he had thrown on
the ground. In the next post, someone said something to the fact that,
'I am so happy they caught him throwing his cigarette out the car window.'
Well, the latter was not stated, and was not true. The perpetrator had
dropped the cigarette while walking outside a public building and it was
picked up by police for DNA.
Remember playing telephone in school? It happened in the example up there.
And it probably has happened hundreds of times here. No one really knows
what color the duct tape is and no one really knows what the death scene
looked like except Maytee, John Sr and the LE. Consequently we have
spewed alot of shit I am certain. Sorry M, JSR and LE. But we are
only novices and only trying. Forgive us and realize we are not the
Official Investigators, but really really novices, WANTING TO THROW
OUT ANY CLUE TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS HORRID CASE AND ALLOW
HEALING. Sorry too about some of the really really stupid sexual ridiciulous
comments. That was about as dumb as they come and from obviously
an individual who is not a parent or has never been in true fear of a loved one.
Don't give up on us, please. We mean no malice and love your kids.
just wanted to repost this. no one really responded to it, but i thought that it was one of the best posts that i have seen here in awhile, and i agree whole-heartedely. sometimes a lot of you on here get wrapped up in the moment of the posts and forget about the point of this whole thread. i have refrained from posting for the most part because, although connected, i am far removed from this case. i have to say that it is a shame to see a number of posters (that i have come to respect after following this all along) sink to the level of those that they condemn by "fighting fire with fire". if you are against fighting with fire, then why fight against fire with the same thing? anyways, i'm bloody going on like a plonker (see this is why i have refrained from posting). i hope i haven't ruined my initial point that wolfhouse had a great post here and that i think we should stick to the initial point of this whole thread and strive to be a positive factor in this whole tragic mess and respect all of those effected, no matter how unfortunate their coping mechanisms may be.
Well said, both
"The old believe everything; the middle-aged suspect everything; the young know everything." Oscar Wilde
(03-12-2011, 01:56 AM)Nina Wrote: I waver back and forth on AG being active in it too. But I think he knows who it was and TW was involved. She may not have known they were going to kill them, but she knew something was going to happen that night.
I believe that too.
Same here, and becomming more and more curious about Z's role in it as well.
If Tiff was involved, I think Z was there too, and Tiff was using his phone that night so I assume they were together. I could kind of understand someone young like him panicking and using plastic bags when things got out of hand, but he still would have needed someone bigger, stronger, tougher, to subdue them. I also remember what (Unknown, I think?) said earlier about Z suffering from withdrawal that day, and considering his age and condition I could see him being there as an extra if he was told he'd be paid for it (money/drugs).
Z also provided the car as well as a phone.
"The old believe everything; the middle-aged suspect everything; the young know everything." Oscar Wilde
(03-12-2011, 06:20 AM)pspence Wrote: Curious: I just read the possible copy cat murder/robbery of the Texas robbery...so creepy...
I know I have changed my mind a thousand times about this case but after reading so many of the insightful posts...I'm about convinced that:
this could be my "final answer" until the arrests...
any thoughts out there?
Up until just recently, I felt it was more of a statement killing resulting from owing someone a lot of money from a drug deal gone bad and it wasn't done by anyone that's been discussed here.
Now I'm beginning to think differently and leaning more toward your theory...and not b/c of FB which only gives me a headache, but rather by simply following this thread and a little deductive reasoning.
Let me ask this, if it was unplanned, were the items used already in the home or brought in by the perps? If brought in by perps and it was unplanned, did they happen to have in their vehicle, or just leave and go by them? This part I'm struggling with...
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