2012 ELECTION

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't want to pool healthcare. Have you ever been to the emergency room? Full of society's rejects. I don't want to have to deal with people who won't bother to take care of themselves. Why should I? Why should I have to sit in a doctor's waiting room with fucking pimps and drug addicts?

Cracker doesn't do socialism. That's EXACTLY what this is.

I laugh that you bothered to quote any figures from Obama's cronies. You realize he makes shit up, right? They lie like mutherfuckers.

Auto insurance protects OTHER people's property. Health insurance only covers individuals that I don't give a fuck if they die. That is the difference. It is a HUGE difference.

People need to think shit out a little more.

All politicians lie or "spin" to accomplish their goals, I think I made it clear that I was citing what was "claimed". I don't know the true figures any more than you do. I doubt those advocating the plan or those denouncing it have a solid idea of the real numbers themselves. I wasn't endorsing Obama's plan. I understand the basics of what both sides claim, based on what they've presented, and the numbers are a big part of their presentation/pitch. Important to consider the quantitative and qualitative parts of any pitch, imo, so I included the numbers that have been widely touted. It's good to laugh.

Yes, I agree that the auto insurance covers other people whereas health insurance covers oneself, an individual responsibility. Supporters of Obama's plan claim that mandatory individual health care does protect others, it protects others from paying higher costs associated with the uninsured who get health care without paying. That is their claim and part of their pitch. Again, it's not an endorsement or agreement from me.

For auto insurance, however, it's not regulated at a Federal level and you get penalized if you get caught driving without it (but you can choose to stop driving or drive without it and not get caught -no penalty in either case). This isn't anyone else's claim, just based on personal experience.

We are thinking this shit out a little more by comparing notes and hearing your opinions (and those of others who weigh in).