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Trump for president
A woman should be able to decide until the last second, I would assume their would be extenuating circumstances...
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(10-20-2016, 09:18 PM)BigMark Wrote: A woman should be able to decide until the last second, I would assume their would be extenuating circumstances...

I've felt like that after eating a pastrami sub and there were no bathrooms around an hr later.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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dude.
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(10-20-2016, 08:23 PM)sally Wrote: And I didn't think either one of them said anything significant on the national debt, medicare, healthcare or SS. People are just voting on personality and Trump's is more personable. That shit about him dehumanizing women is a bunch of bullshit. He's going to win, get ready for it Duchess, Dono, and HotD. Your food stamps are history, Clang.

I'm ready for whatever happens, always have been.

The presidential election is not a popularity or entertainment competition for all people though. It's a matter of qualifications, competency, leadership, and vision for a whole lot of us.

And, even for the people I know who are more personality and entertainment focused, most consider Trump a total asshat. I'm fully aware, however, that there are millions of others who feel the opposite.

Anyway, I'm confident your man is going down, sal. But, if you're right and Trump wins, I'll hope he does a much better job for our country than I have reason to expect.
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Fude.
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(10-21-2016, 12:26 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: It's a matter of qualifications, competency, leadership, and vision for a whole lot of us.


Trump doesn't have any of those qualities BUT he's not Hillary and that's the one and only thing that matters to some people.

Trump is going to lose, there is no path to 270 for him and I'm glad. Delighted even. Loooooser.
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There was a charity dinner last night, both Hillary & Trump were there. It was sorta kinda a roast and traditionally candidates poke a little fun at themselves. Trump threw his wife under the bus, his wife. Jesus. He made fun of her plagiarizing Michelle Obama's speech. I didn't think there was anything left he could do that would surprise me. I was wrong. He publicly humiliated his wife and after saying that he said something to the effect of, I'm probably in trouble.
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The lawsuit bought against Trump for his fake university is scheduled to go to trial near the end of November. Trump has asked the judge to exclude all comments he has made during this election cycle. He doesn't want the jury to hear comments he has made about it, particularly the comments he made about Judge Curiel and his Mexican heritage. hah

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I get the feeling he's wishing he could forget this whole presidency thing.
Thank god I am oblivious to the opinions of others while caught in the blinding splendor of my own cleverness.
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(10-20-2016, 09:13 PM)Maggot Wrote: Abortions as Clinton accepts them is unacceptable partial birth abortions........really!!!??? The problem on both sides is the extremes they accept.

What extreme does Ms. Clinton accept re partial birth abortions? She has said that if a woman's life is at stake, then yes, a late term termination of pregnancy may be the only choice....I don't think that decision is any of your business. There are medical procedures that are dictated by medical ethics governed by the medical community.....This wouldn't be a decision that the Government would even be privy to in a hospital setting. When this becomes necessary, it is usually the woman, her family if she chooses and the Physician (governed by the Hospital/Medial Ethical Committee) who makes this decision. Why are so many wanting to make this a political issue....Enough of this crap.........

Maybe we should start making some rules for guys and their aggressive dicks....as that as what causes all this commotion and chaos for we women in the first place re abortion. If a man gets a woman pregnant, for example, and she didn't want to get pregnant, haul that sucker in and chop off his penis......

And may I remind you, that when we say we are pro-choice, it does not mean we like or support abortion, but it does mean, we believe in a woman's choice to decide for herself without help from old codger politicians.......and bible thumpers.....Abortion is never an easy choice for any woman.....why can't some of you get this through your thick skulls that this is about CHOICE.........not abortion......fools.

And Sally, you say D. Trumpass is more personable......more personable than a hungry alligator......jeez, I have seen more personable people on death row.......If he is your definition of personable, God help us all......and I can understand why your son was more impressed with Trump over Hillary in front of camera. Most con artists are very "charming" and good at bull shitting to reel you in and become his victim (of his many scams).....I have never enjoyed hearing Ms. Clinton give speeches. She does talk in a stilted manner, hesitating ever so much after saying something which gives a sense of uncertainty and insecurity....Her words do not flow like some orators. I think Obama has the gift of being a great orator.....he doesn't fumble and his words move smoothly usually throughout his speech....I wish Ms. Clinton would work on this and I have mentioned this before, but does it make a difference in my voting for her.....absolutely not....I just voted yesterday on my mail in ballot from Colorado and I will just say, I didn't vote for Fuckface.......

It is not the lesser of two evils, it is about who can lead the country with competent staff and the experience needed....She is just as qualified as any other Senator or Congressperson (and Dumbass), but some, even subconsciously think, only a man can be a legitimate leader.....Her being a woman is the bigger problem for many voters...My mother was a staunch Republican, but the first time she went to a female doctor, she shared with me, that she would be more confident in a male doctor...that was in the 80's or early 90's....
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(10-20-2016, 08:23 PM)sally Wrote: Your food stamps are history, Clang.

They have been history for almost 10 years. I was even refused a public defender because I make too much money at my NYS DMV Title Services Representative job.
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Who is out there speaking for Trump? Does he have any "super surrogates"? In that I mean, people like the POTUS, FLOTUS, a sitting VP, a former Prez, people like that? Who is helping him?
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Well, Trump has Giuliani, Ben Carson, sometimes Newt Gingrich, sometimes Mike Pence, his kids, and he used to have Chris Christie. But, by all accounts, Trump often ignores the advice of his advisers and campaign management and contradicts what they've just said on his behalf. So, I mostly see lesser-known professional surrogates who are willing to just read and argue the scripted talking points.

Trump has a good opportunity to exploit the recent news that Obamacare premiums will increase by 22% next year (though some of the cost increase will be subsidized and some states will see substantial decreases in premiums).

Premiums were rising significantly before Obamacare and millions of more people have health insurance than ever before, but the high number of truly sick people who now have health insurance is driving up provider costs. And, the premiums and provider quality is very inconsistent from state to state. There are some serious issues.

I don't know if Trump has enough time to really capitalize on it though, even if he could stay on focus. But, I think he would be wise to go hard on how he would repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act without depriving truly sick people of coverage, and describe how Clinton's Obamacare reformation + public option addition is less desirable than his his proposal to put health care entirely back in the private sector. He doesn't seem to have a solid health care plan or the ability to hammer a point consistently without going off track though, in my opinion.
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(10-25-2016, 11:00 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Well, Trump has Giuliani, Ben Carson, sometimes Newt Gingrich, sometimes Mike Pence, his kids, and he used to have Chris Christie. But, by all accounts, Trump often ignores the advice of his advisers and campaign management and contradicts what they've just said on his behalf. So, I mostly see lesser-known professional surrogates who are willing to just read and argue the scripted talking points.

Trump has a good opportunity to exploit the recent news that Obamacare premiums will increase by 22% next year (though some of the cost increase will be subsidized and some states will see substantial decreases in premiums).

Premiums were rising significantly before Obamacare and millions of more people have health insurance than ever before, but the high number of truly sick people who now have health insurance is driving up provider costs. And, the premiums and provider quality is very inconsistent from state to state. There are some serious issues.

I don't know if Trump has enough time to really capitalize on it though, even if he could stay on focus. But, I think he would be wise to go hard on how he would repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act without depriving truly sick people of coverage, and describe how Clinton's Obamacare reformation + public option addition is less desirable than his his proposal to put health care entirely back in the private sector. He doesn't seem to have a solid health care plan or the ability to hammer a point consistently without going off track though, in my opinion.
22% is a very generous suggestion. It will vary state to state and from what I'm hearing a 25% increase in premiums is the average MINIMUM. Also, consumers will be left with one provider to choose from, so if you're looking for a bargain you're shit out of luck.
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(10-25-2016, 11:26 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:
(10-25-2016, 11:00 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Well, Trump has Giuliani, Ben Carson, sometimes Newt Gingrich, sometimes Mike Pence, his kids, and he used to have Chris Christie. But, by all accounts, Trump often ignores the advice of his advisers and campaign management and contradicts what they've just said on his behalf. So, I mostly see lesser-known professional surrogates who are willing to just read and argue the scripted talking points.

Trump has a good opportunity to exploit the recent news that Obamacare premiums will increase by 22% next year (though some of the cost increase will be subsidized and some states will see substantial decreases in premiums).

Premiums were rising significantly before Obamacare and millions of more people have health insurance than ever before, but the high number of truly sick people who now have health insurance is driving up provider costs. And, the premiums and provider quality is very inconsistent from state to state. There are some serious issues.

I don't know if Trump has enough time to really capitalize on it though, even if he could stay on focus. But, I think he would be wise to go hard on how he would repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act without depriving truly sick people of coverage, and describe how Clinton's Obamacare reformation + public option addition is less desirable than his his proposal to put health care entirely back in the private sector. He doesn't seem to have a solid health care plan or the ability to hammer a point consistently without going off track though, in my opinion.
22% is a very generous suggestion. It will vary state to state and from what I'm hearing a 25% increase in premiums is the average MINIMUM. Also, consumers will be left with one provider to choose from, so if you're looking for a bargain you're shit out of luck.

ObamaCare in my state is on the way to crippling us.

For whatever reason, we're among the 4 most expensive states to purchase insurance through our program MNSure.

This act needs to be repealed.
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(10-25-2016, 11:58 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:
(10-25-2016, 11:26 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:
(10-25-2016, 11:00 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Well, Trump has Giuliani, Ben Carson, sometimes Newt Gingrich, sometimes Mike Pence, his kids, and he used to have Chris Christie. But, by all accounts, Trump often ignores the advice of his advisers and campaign management and contradicts what they've just said on his behalf. So, I mostly see lesser-known professional surrogates who are willing to just read and argue the scripted talking points.

Trump has a good opportunity to exploit the recent news that Obamacare premiums will increase by 22% next year (though some of the cost increase will be subsidized and some states will see substantial decreases in premiums).

Premiums were rising significantly before Obamacare and millions of more people have health insurance than ever before, but the high number of truly sick people who now have health insurance is driving up provider costs. And, the premiums and provider quality is very inconsistent from state to state. There are some serious issues.

I don't know if Trump has enough time to really capitalize on it though, even if he could stay on focus. But, I think he would be wise to go hard on how he would repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act without depriving truly sick people of coverage, and describe how Clinton's Obamacare reformation + public option addition is less desirable than his his proposal to put health care entirely back in the private sector. He doesn't seem to have a solid health care plan or the ability to hammer a point consistently without going off track though, in my opinion.
22% is a very generous suggestion. It will vary state to state and from what I'm hearing a 25% increase in premiums is the average MINIMUM. Also, consumers will be left with one provider to choose from, so if you're looking for a bargain you're shit out of luck.

ObamaCare in my state is on the way to crippling us.

For whatever reason, we're among the 4 most expensive states to purchase insurance through our program MNSure.

This act needs to be repealed.
I'm pretty sure you're not on Obamacare, and for that I'm glad because you have a family to look out for, but I'd be interested in knowing about the quality of healthcare those who are on Obamacare receive. The healthcare industry on the whole has trimmed all the fat they can to prepare for the losses they are taking for this whole "Free healthcare for all Bullshit"
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Oh yeah, and the increase in Az. is projected to be around 116%. Now THAT is affordable healthcare for ya.
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(10-25-2016, 11:26 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: 22% is a very generous suggestion. It will vary state to state and from what I'm hearing a 25% increase in premiums is the average MINIMUM. Also, consumers will be left with one provider to choose from, so if you're looking for a bargain you're shit out of luck.

Yeah, 22% is the average, but people buying insurance from the exchange can reportedly expect about a 25% increase.

My understanding is that Arizona had some of the lowest premiums in the country and the providers lost a lot of money, so your state will see some of the largest increases next year (which definitely sucks, at any rate).
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Here's an overview of the Obamacare premium increases, from NPR.

The cost of health insurance under the Affordable Care Act is expected to rise an average of 22 percent in 2017, according to information released by the Obama administration Monday afternoon. Still, federal subsidies will also rise, meaning that few people are likely to have to pay the full cost after the rate increases to get insurance coverage.

"We think they will ultimately be surprised by the affordability of the premiums, because the tax credits track with the increases in premiums," said Kevin Griffis, assistant secretary for public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services.

The 22 percent rise reflects the average for all insurance marketplaces, both federal and state-based exchanges for which data are available. For insurance purchased through the federal HealthCare.gov exchange the rise will average 25 percent.

During a media briefing Monday, Griffis said the 2017 rates are roughly at the level the Congressional Budget Office forecast when the law was proposed. "The initial marketplace rates came in below costs," he said. "Many companies set prices that turned out to be too low."

Enrollment opens Nov. 1. For coverage effective Jan. 1, people need to pick a plan by Dec. 15. With a few exceptions, the last day to sign up for Obamacare is Jan. 31, 2017. Plans are available on HealthCare.gov and state-run exchanges.

While the average premiums on the benchmark health plans are increasing, the government says more than 70 percent of people buying insurance on the marketplaces created by the law could get a health plan for less than $75 a month for 2017. To get the best deal, people would have to pick a low-cost plan with limited benefits and take advantage of all the subsidies available.

People who already have coverage through the exchanges can often save money by switching plans, the administration said. More than three-quarters of people could save money by switching to the lowest-cost plan within the level of coverage, such as bronze or silver, that they've previously selected.

The Obamacare insurance exchanges are under strain after three major insurers pulled back from offering coverage in markets across the U.S. The administration says about 1 in 5 people buying insurance through the marketplaces will have only one company offering coverage.

It's in places like that where consumers will feel the most pain. "Where it really matters is where a big insurance company has exited and where that's going to leave just one company remaining," said Cynthia Cox, associate director of health reform and private insurance at the Kaiser Family Foundation. "For those people who live in that area, many people may have to switch plans. And they won't have much choice if they want to receive financial assistance and purchase through the exchanges."


http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots...-subsidies
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I just self pay. I've been able to find affordable prices. The last time I went to the doctor it was $40 for the visit and $40 for the chest x-ray. That's less than what I'd pay for insurance for myself per month.
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