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[Cynical Ninja]

BEST

THREAD

EVER

We can add hypocrite and liar to the list of expletives Flexi Frank deserves.

"You don't run this forum where everyone has to pretend to like each other do you?"

Hmmm sounds like 24 to me.

[Middle Finger]

BEST

THREAD

EVER

We can add hypocrite and liar to the list of expletives Flexi Frank deserves.

"You don't run this forum where everyone has to pretend to like each other do you?"

Hmmm sounds like 24 to me.

Even though 24 allows for individually owned forums where people can hate each other - like how you are allowed to personally attack people in Robodoon's forum and have many times? Guess you forgot that.

[Cynical Ninja]

Robodoons forum, Robodoons rules, remember Flexi-boy?

I only attack if I am provoked or someone attacks me first as we both know all too well.

[Middle Finger]

Robodoons forum, Robodoons rules, remember Flexi-boy?

I only attack if I am provoked or someone attacks me first as we both know all too well.

Yes, that is my point - that is a way that 24 is different from FG. Your accusation was incorrect.

As for how poor little ol' you only attacks if provoked - EVERYONE who has been a long-time member at 24 knows that is total bullshit. You mean, you forgot all the times you went into threads to push buttons or initiated personal attacks? You once broke out in an off-topic maniacal attack upon me because I was stating a position on firearms to someone else. So go take your medication to help remember the truth, dumb-ass.

[Cynical Ninja]

In the thread you mention you were being just as snotty and aggressive as I was chump, obviously your memory is conveniently selective about what it chooses to remember.

Anyone that has read your pro-gun bullshit knows just how maniacally obsessive to the point madness you are about your precious gun and how they save the lives of thousands ever year (LIES!).

If you want to argue about it now go for it, I have a host of facts and figures that shoot down (sic) anything you might have to say about gun ownership making America safer.

[The Antagonist]

OP you can shout your anti-gun sentiments all the way across the ocean and it makes not one whit of difference.

Whether anyone is pro-gun or anti-gun means nothing. It's our Constitutional right to bear arms and that is an integral part of our freedom. It's that way for a reason. It matters not if there are crimes because of it. Statistically there are more gun owners that are NOT committing crimes than there are criminals with them killing.

The fact remains that taking the guns away from the law abiding citizens will not take them out of the criminals hands. For shit's sake, whole countries are dealing in illegal arms, so how does gun control keep anyone safe?

You got people making guns out of cellphones there for shit's sake. I hardly think that's legal.

Also, considering the vast difference in population, you can't even compare stats.

[Cynical Ninja]

You can compare stats birdbrain.

12,971 gun homicides in the US population three hundred million.

80 gun homicides in the UK population sixty million.

Thats a gun homicide rate 162 times larger than the UK in a population only 5 times larger.

Next?

[Middle Finger]

In the thread you mention you were being just as snotty and aggressive as I was chump, obviously your memory is conveniently selective about what it chooses to remember.

Anyone that has read your pro-gun bullshit knows just how maniacally obsessive to the point madness you are about your precious gun and how they save the lives of thousands ever year (LIES!).

If you want to argue about it now go for it, I have a host of facts and figures that shoot down (sic) anything you might have to say about gun ownership making America safer.

FAIL: You've launched personal attacks first and entered threads to do so.

[Cynical Ninja]

I see.

So you DON'T want to enter into any debate about gun crime/ownership in the US?

A wise choice.

[The Antagonist]

I noticed you avoided the part where it's part of our Constitutional right to own them. There's no point arguing with you if you're going to tear apart an argument to suit your own needs. You do this all the time. It's tedious to say the least.

OP I don't own a gun. I have no intention of owning one but I understand our right to own them. Argue all you want - the fact remains there are still more law abiding gun owners than criminals with them using them.

Again, whole countries are dealing in illegal weapons trading so how do you propose we stay safe with any kind of ban? Countries, citizens - makes no difference. Criminals will get what they want.

[Cynical Ninja]

I'm not arguing you don't have a constitutional right to bear arms, how exciting for you!

I challenge the bullshit argument that it doesn't matter how many guns there are in private ownership and it has no effect on the number of gun related deaths and crimes because thats bullshit.

Gun death rates are seven times higher in states with higher numbers of guns in ownership compared with states with lower gun ownership.

FACT.

More guns = more gun homicides.

Luckily the number of households with guns is coming down, 54% of households in 1977 compared to 33% of households in 2009.

However the number of guns being purchased has gone up because the average number of guns one person owns has gone up from 4.1 in 1994 to 6.9 in 2004.

Why anybody needs nearly seven guns is beyond me, unless you live in the Gaza strip or Baghdad.

[The Antagonist]

You really should calm down about USA gun control considering you don't' live here or even consider living here.

You paint a picture as if everyone is running around here waving a gun and shooting up the place.

[Middle Finger]

OP hasn't bothered to check the breakdown of the numbers - i.e. how many of those gun-related deaths are gang related or cops killing citizens. If he really broke it down he would realize that the vast majority of gun related incidents don't involve almost all of us, and that gun owners as a whole are exemplary in their law-abiding nature.

The problem, ultimately, comes down to ignorance and wanting freedom for free. You know, pretending that there isn't a cost to freedom and that the use or misuse of a basic right (to effective self defense in this case) is a good excuse to destroy it. People like OP tend to be OK with ignoring the principles of freedom because either their culture either wasn't born out of fighting for them or because it's been too long since the citizenry has had to truly protect them.

OP doesn't recognize that the citizens are the store keepers and are responsible for their own safety and Government ... he is a sheep in a Country on the ramp to sheep heaven.

[Cynical Ninja]

You really should calm down about USA gun control considering you don't' live here or even consider living here.

You paint a picture as if everyone is running around here waving a gun and shooting up the place.

"What do you care you aren't American?" that my dear is the forum death throes of an argument fatally lost.

[Cynical Ninja]

OP hasn't bothered to check the breakdown of the numbers - i.e. how many of those gun-related deaths are gang related or cops killing citizens. If he really broke it down he would realize that the vast majority of gun related incidents don't involve almost all of us, and that gun owners as a whole are exemplary in their law-abiding nature.

The problem, ultimately, comes down to ignorance and wanting freedom for free. You know, pretending that there isn't a cost to freedom and that the use or misuse of a basic right (to effective self defense in this case) is a good excuse to destroy it. People like OP tend to be OK with ignoring the principles of freedom because either their culture either wasn't born out of fighting for them or because it's been too long since the citizenry has had to truly protect them.

OP doesn't recognize that the citizens are the store keepers and are responsible for their own safety and Government ... he is a sheep in a Country on the ramp to sheep heaven.

You can delude yourself all you like that the only people being killed with guns in America are cops and robbers because that is bullplop, thousands of truly innocent people die at the end of a gun in America every year, accept it.

The idea I can never truly be free unless I am free to own a 44 magnum is retarded.

41% of gun related homicides and 94% of gun suicides would not occur under the same circumstances had no gun been present plus -

Keeping a gun in the home raises the risk of homicide.
Keeping a gun the home raises the risk of suicide.
A gun in the home is more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting then to be used in self defence.
Many children and teens live in households with firearms including ones that loaded and unlocked.
More than 40% of gun owning households with children store their guns unlocked.

If yours is locked up and/or unloaded how can it be practically used to "defend" the home in the mere seconds it may take an intruder to intrude?

[Middle Finger]

The UK is the violent crime capital of Europe. America has about ONE FOURTH the crime rate per 100,000 citizens. The UK folks are losing freedoms while emboldening the criminal via a more helpless and defenseless citizenry:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopi...urope.html

Excerpt:

A breakdown of the statistics, which were compiled into league tables by the Conservatives, revealed that violent crime in the UK had increased from 652,974 offences in 1998 to more than 1.15 million crimes in 2007.

It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.


Focusing on inanimate objects is not only ignorant, it is immoral as it delays the proper focus on the real problems.

Another excerpt:

Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "damning indictment" of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems.

[Middle Finger]

Seriously, you really can't debate gun control with someone stupid enough to blame guns for suicides.

[Middle Finger]

The idea I can never truly be free unless I am free to own a 44 magnum is retarded.

I'll end it on this note since you have clearly demonstrated your obscene stupidity, which is only rivaled by your sheer lack of respect for the time-proven principles of freedom.

It's not that you can never be free unless you own a magnum, it's that a citizenry does not have the balance of power or means necessary to take the responsibility it needs to take if it is going to protect freedom for the long-term when its public servants take away their basic right to effective self-defense of person, property, and State.

[The Antagonist]

You really should calm down about USA gun control considering you don't' live here or even consider living here.

You paint a picture as if everyone is running around here waving a gun and shooting up the place.

"What do you care you aren't American?" that my dear is the forum death throes of an argument fatally lost.

No it's not a death throe of an argument lost. It's telling you to STFU becuase it really is no concern of yours due to the fact you don't live here.

Now, instead of telling me how I "lost" an argument by saying that, why don't you tell me why you care so much about our gun control laws? My point is valid. It has nothing to do with the fact you're not American, it's everything to do with the fact you have no intention of living here so why should you fucking care?

I know, and I'll answer for you.... because you love to argue for the sake of it.