Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[ZEROSPHERES]

A John P Clarke appears in the Toledo Court record with a search reference birthdate of 7/16/1969 but without further cooberation the info is unable to placed here due to its lack of verification....if the birtdate can be seperately verified then this record could be made available

[MzFruit]

WOW! Go to watch the super bowl and you guys are posting more than i can catch up with!
Just a few things....
LC I agree that certain things should be limited and I appreciate that.
As far as FB goes...we all know (especially if you have one) people post for attention! T references her children and love for them quite a bit, Mom talks about the pain and turmoil.

[Lady Cop]

WOW! Go to watch the super bowl and you guys are posting more than i can catch up with!
Just a few things....
LC I agree that certain things should be limited and I appreciate that.
As far as FB goes...we all know (especially if you have one) people post for attention! T references her children and love for them quite a bit, Mom talks about the pain and turmoil.

you may like this thread:

http://mockforums.net/thread-4517.html?h...t=facebook

i don't belong to fb or any of those things and i never will. but i will say they can be an investigator's very good tool. people have no clue how much they give away.

[Pimpette]

FB .. maybe watch friends in common .. see what was happening in their status ... shortly before ... a little after ..!

[MzFruit]

the major drug connection is deemed right now to be rumor. or the opinion of locals. not fact. LE needs to confirm before it is fact.

I doubt him being in the MAJOR drug connection should even be considered...do MAJOR drug dealers live their gf's parents?

[Lady Cop]

FB .. maybe watch friends in common .. see what was happening in their status ... shortly before ... a little after ..!

Hello and welcome to Mock~~ thanks for joining~~

[Countryside_Belle]

Hello LC,
I've been reading for the past few days. Very interesting site you have here, I'm really enjoying all the posts.
I have been curious...there has been talk about Tiffany (Ms. T) in the first stages of this thread,
but does anyone know the identity of the "Z" person?
I thought that Mr. "Z" was someone that was dating or linked to Tiffany...
But, when I saw the T on FB from the links here provided...seemed like her partner was an "A"
Also- I found JC's old Myspace page and it looks (imo) that he either had gang ties, or was friends with people
on MS a few years back that were.
I believe that Lisa got involved with a charming bad boy. Sad. :(Oh-forgot, any mention or any new news about this
"Sherita" person?

[Lady Cop]

Hi Belle...welcome! i think your avatar is very original and cute.

i know who Z is, but i think he is a juvenile and there is no way i will name him unless/until LE does officially.
and i have no ID on Sherita. but evidently she and Johnny's mom filed restraining orders/criminal complaints for stalking against each other for some reason.
link the old sites if you want to, i'd be interested.

[Countryside_Belle]

Hope I'm doing this right... This is JC's myspace
http://www.myspace.com/elcubano1018/friends

[Lady Cop]

thanks..yes him for sure. and gang shit for sure. or gangbanger wannabe. learned it in prison no doubt. he IS a victim here, there is no doubt in my mind that lowlife associates are involved. he was very young and stupid and impressionable when he went to prison, and probably got sucked right into the gangs to protect himself. or thought it was cool. wasted life.

[Countryside_Belle]

Thanks for the welcome and the avatar compliment. Yes, such a waste I agree.
I can't wait to read more, I'll stay tuned.

[netsleuth]

Incredibly interesting discussion. Especially the posts by "unknown" and family friends of Lisa Straub.

I don't think that Johnny's family is involved. I think the Mom made a comment about robbery etc. based upon the information she got from Tiffany about the house being ransacked and Johnny not knowing someone who supposedly entered the house. I also think that Johnny developed his criminal comfort level because he was raised around a certain element. I'm not slamming his family, but there are all kinds of people in the world, as we know.

My gut tells me that Ms. T knows something? The Mom pointed out how unusual it was to wait two hours to report such an unusual, obviously dangerous situation. I agree. I can't get over not calling police, and then going alone to check out a potential robbery. What did she think she could do, lurking around the house by herself? Her story doesn't sit right.

On the matter of plastic bags. I think they were brought to the house. I think a crime was planned by the amateur, gang wanna be types that Johnny may have associated with. I did a bit of research on the plastic bag weaponry used in this crime. Unfortunately, there is a video game that glorifies murder with the use of non-gun related tools, including plastic bags. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_%28video_game%29

There have also been like murders, using the same, seemingly odd murder weapon. http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/gang-mem...18607.html

"...Barry, a business associate of Stevens’ father, interrupted Stevens and a partner while they were burglarizing his house. Barry was hog-tied, handcuffed, duct-taped, and suffocated with a plastic bag."

Perhaps the quiet nature of this method is appealing? Guns make noise.

Quick, random thoughts. My apologies for stating the obvious and/or repeating what others may have speculated.

Given rumors about drug deals (and reports of scales being left out) - I think Johnny may have been involved in a transaction and the buyers intended to rob him? Obviously, as others have noted, he's a big guy. He would put up a fight, so there had to be either a gun involved, for control purposes, or more than two people. I think Ms. T, may have arranged the transaction and even been involved in driving the perps to and fro? I don't think anyone who would commit such a crime would want to take several minutes to walk out of the area, and risk being seen? So, I'm not sure if the white van sighting has any relation at all? In fact, I think Ms. T may have wanted to explain her car being in the area, thus the story about driving back to check out the house? She also had to explain why she was on the phone with Johnny at 11ish. IMO, it's plausible that she drove the perps to the house, called Johnny to let him know she and her friends were outside/on the way. He let them in under the premise of completing a transaction. They never intended to pay. And, they wanted a bonus in the form of robbing the house. Lisa was likely in another area, getting ready for bed when things went awry? This might explain her partial state of dress? Ms. T took a couple hours to hashing out her story. She tried to cover all bases, sending texts, explaining her car in the area, etc.

Then again, I may be completely off. Regardless, I bet we'll know very soon. It sounds like there was plenty of evidence left behind.

I would put money on T being involved. Her story makes zero sense. I doubt she wanted her friends dead. In fact, she may not have anticipated a robbery. But IMHO, she knows who's guilty.

Sorry that my first post is so long.

[Lady Cop]

welcome netsleuth, and i appreciate your thoughtful comments. thankyou~~

i thought Tiffany was involved very early on.

[Countryside_Belle]

I keep having the thought of this being a message to someone,
or to Johnny.....I know that's been mentioned here before.
I think it could have some parts that include that element (drugs/gang ties).
I also thought I saw mentioned here somewhere that someone referred to the scene and the MOD thug/mob/movie "like"?. The jury is still out for me on whether or not the plastic bag murder was premeditated
or heat of the moment/things went too far type of thing.
Oh- Do I remember correctly there was reference to
something being reported about the tape around the bags
being very, very tight?

-Belle

[Duchess]

you should add to your rules:

3) posts are not allowed to sound condescending, even if that's not the intention of the poster to sound as such;
4) members are forbidden from referring to other members using colloquial versions of their nicknames.

violation of either of the above two rules will result in threats to be kicked off the board.

you were rattling off "rules" for the forums, not "rules" for private messages.

do you know what a hypocrite is?

-pink

When you feel the need to bitch about any aspect of Mock please take it to HQ or start a thread out in the open forum. LC's crime forum is not the place to air your grievances.

[analyzing in mi]

I agree that she seemed to over react unless, of course, she knew he was getting involved again/still with the wrong people and circumstances; however, my son called 911 when my phone accidentally redialed his number while being bumped in my purse. All he was able to hear was garbled talk, and thought my husband and I were in danger. So, I can see both sides of this.

( mentioned on other posts re: his record)Regardless of the boy's past criminal record, it is still such a tragedy for family and friends to endure.

[analyzing in mi]

Good info re: plastic bags used in video game and other murders; likewise, Ted Bundy utilized this method more than once. The book I read on his horrific crimes stated that Ted enjoyed the torture of this type of death as it is not quick at all. Whoever did this( more than one perp to overpower both victims), I believe, wanted as has been said on this site to send a message about money owed or being a narc or whatever. Some have stated that perhaps they used this method b/c the couple knew these people. I don't think this has a bearing b/c if they are going to die, what does it matter if they know their killers? So horrible for the families, regardless. As for me and my family, we are armed, and go to a shooting range to practice self defense. Too many people live in a bubble, believing the world is a nice place. Not that parts of it aren't, but you have to be safety conscious.

[Lady Cop]

i'd like to see a link to ted bundy using plastic bags. he bludgeoned and strangled.
i attended ted's execution. he whimpered and whined all the way to the electric chair.

[Lady Cop]

this photo of Johnny. he's young and dumb, a gangbanger wannabe. maybe he would have grown out of that. so damn cruel and sad.
i would like to have more photos of Lisa.

[InterestingEnough]

i would like to have more photos of Lisa.

Lisa's Myspace page has several photo's.

http://www.myspace.com/_lisababii_

While she doesn't appear to be a complete angel, she is more college frat party than gangster wannabe. Appears they came from two completely different circles.

P.S. Before you say it....working on that avatar.