Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Freshbait78]

Where should the memorials be set up?

Hmmmm . . . let's see.

Did they attend school? How 'bout there?

Involved in charities? There's a spot.

Employed? Gee . . . a no brainer.

Does LE need a friendly reminder that the community has not forgotten the victims? Near the police station or court house!

News outlets not pushing hard enough for details? Here we go!

Does anyone in the town REALLY care enough to do something instead of rehashing "T this" and "Mom that".

Better yet . . . ask yourself: "If this is my loved one, what would I do?"

Now go "do it".

You must have missed my 1^st reply when I stated that there was a benefit to be held & included a link then. Ohio guy just posted the details

[ZEROSPHERES]

It's funny that no one is mentioning the plausible act of fibbing (Tiffany), with regards to the phone conversation with Johnny just before the murders. Think for a second here; what if Johnny actually let the perps in because he knew of the him/them? Most of the information is based on Tiffany's claim when she could be heavily involved.

I believe that's exactly what I said at Post#571.

My speculation was/is that Johnny and Tiffany had set up that phone conversation and its abrupt termination to establish unlawful entry and robbery at that very point, by persons "unknown" to Johnny, in order to divert away from Johnny's involvement in breach of his accepted co-responsibility to watch the house and its valuables while his girlfriend's parents were on their cruise.

That's why Tiffany did not call the police herself, and took her good old time passing the information on to anyone who would.

The tie-up and robbery was expected; the deaths were not.

WOW!! I think your insight is incredible and it puts Tiffany's behaviour in context. But if the robbery was set up and planned by JC and accomplices what do you think was the turning point? The point where JC and Lisa became expendable? Maybe just sharks feeding time and eat or be eaten? I don't see the smarts in drawing so much attention to your crime by escalating it from a staged robbery to a double homicide.

[netsleuth]

Not so, he was not in that much trouble, we knew the family very well, he loved his brothers and parents alot, he took the wrong path as he was older, easy way out, but now we all see that isnt so, this is horrible, he was no saint but he was not a a gangster either. His mother, sure did go threw some issues as so did his father, however that was his surroundings, lets face it, the southside of toledo oho is no place to raise a family, I lived on the southside for over 20 years and everyone knows the area is now drugs, gangs and everyone is broke, so this could have been any of us in the wrong place at the wrong time really does not matter to much about what we all do or did, bottom line he was all around it, rather it was going to krogers or to nettys for a ice cream, around there you have to keep fear. Really it was most likely someone that wanted something he had, the police are not diggin deep enough. Friends are the worst to have and when this is all said and done it will most likely be someone they both were close to. Prayer to his and her family the love of a child lost will effect all who knew and loved them.

Well stated. Life isn't full of simple answers. We all agree, these kids did not deserve their fate. I hope the killer(s) are brought to justice soon.

[TellMeACrimeStory]

General post after reading lots on this case tonight here-to EVER call a crime a cold case after a week is BS pure and simple! Same thing to anyone that watches the crime shows on TV and believes that if a perp is not found found within 72 hours, the odds are againt the case being solved. Again, total bs/tv mentality.

Certainly, our LE wants a suspect confessing or in custody for another crime within the first few hours (to get a bigger confession for a crime such as this/have a lower secondary member confess like Ms T who was not involved in the actual killing-pressure is definitely going on on all involved in this IF she was involved) but most of the times this simply does not happen-bring a person in and they confess. TV dramas have changed our perception and we have a "solve it now in 60 min" and give us info NOW mentality-we expect crimes to be solved within a week and that never happens unless there is an early confession-many high profile cases take years to investigate/prove if the perp stands strong nad no physical evidence-I do not think it will take long in this case. Hats off to the detectives in this case. Detectives take cases very personally-victims are like family to many- and keep things guarded to better the odds of a conviction. I have no doubt the detectives in this case have solid leads/suspects and although they want to scream out to the public castigating them in such a high profile case to prove they are going to solve this and not want to look incompetent as some feel, they will not speak out to protect the evidence. Kudos to you guys/ladies keeping so much under wraps under such pressure. I'm confident these detectives are going to prevail and there are tons of evidence that are going to be handled properly and nail a conviction, rather than rush to a prosecutor within days before evidence comes back and let murderers go free. Be patient, let the police and prosecutors do their jobs, and I have no doubt these violent suspects/people are under nonstop survelience as the police prove the case-I do believe it is known who did it or the connections to the murderers and this will be a case definitely solved by the end of the year-too much evidence left behind.

God Bless to the Clarke and Straube familes. It does not matter to me if these kids were saints/good people that got involved in something bad or simply bad people. NO parents deserve to have their kids murdered, especially in this manner.

[RJs-Ex]

One of T's FB friends posted something about being with Johnny the weekend before and the night of the murders, saying she didn't know that when he left to pick Lisa up from work that night, that would be the last time she ever saw him. I was going to post a link, but I think the girl is a minor, so I don't think that would be allowed (?). Anyway, it wasn't hard to find, so if anyone is interested, it probably wouldn't take much rooting around on FB to find it.

[BlueTiki]

You must have missed my 1^st reply when I stated that there was a benefit to be held & included a link then. Ohio guy just posted the details

Sounds like Johnny has solid friends willing to help HIS family.

Lisa . . . not so much.

Maybe the folks in Tucson should have "re-thunk" the visual display at the Med Center and Safeway. "Shot Nite" at a bar is more appropriate.

And then there's the folks in Hickory, NC . . .

[OhioGuy]

One of T's FB friends posted something about being with Johnny the weekend before and the night of the murders, saying she didn't know that when he left to pick Lisa up from work that night, that would be the last time she ever saw him. I was going to post a link, but I think the girl is a minor, so I don't think that would be allowed (?). Anyway, it wasn't hard to find, so if anyone is interested, it probably wouldn't take much rooting around on FB to find it.

I just looked on her wall but didn't see anything...hmmmm

[RJs-Ex]

One of T's FB friends posted something about being with Johnny the weekend before and the night of the murders, saying she didn't know that when he left to pick Lisa up from work that night, that would be the last time she ever saw him. I was going to post a link, but I think the girl is a minor, so I don't think that would be allowed (?). Anyway, it wasn't hard to find, so if anyone is interested, it probably wouldn't take much rooting around on FB to find it.

I just looked on her wall but didn't see anything...hmmmm

It's not on T's wall, it's on the friend's wall. I was looking at friends that T had some kind of recent communication with. Crap, maybe it's not as easy to find as I thought. I just kinda stumbled upon it, clicking around.

[Freshbait78]

Blue, maybe. Or maybe it's because Lisas family hasn't expressed any need for help in paying for an untimely funeral, or any desire to have any type of memorial for their daughter. I've actually heard that they want her funeral to be completely private. No details on her arrangements have publicly been released. Seems to me that they don't want any attention which is understandable. Like I said previously, everyone handles & expresses grief in their own way. I am no one to judge which way is the "right" way.

[OhioGuy]

One of T's FB friends posted something about being with Johnny the weekend before and the night of the murders, saying she didn't know that when he left to pick Lisa up from work that night, that would be the last time she ever saw him. I was going to post a link, but I think the girl is a minor, so I don't think that would be allowed (?). Anyway, it wasn't hard to find, so if anyone is interested, it probably wouldn't take much rooting around on FB to find it.

I just looked on her wall but didn't see anything...hmmmm

It's not on T's wall, it's on the friend's wall. I was looking at friends that T had some kind of recent communication with. Crap, maybe it's not as easy to find as I thought. I just kinda stumbled upon it, clicking around.

I can barely stand to read her and her friends writings. Why do people like that insist on writing like dumbasses? It's so fricking stupid to write like that! It PROVES that you are an uneducated piece of trash.

[TellMeACrimeStory]

Re: T

Lots is specualted about her and her claim the house was ransacked-according to posts here-this is a claim Johnny's mom made-something Tiffany or her friend told the Mom before the Mom called 911 the first time? It sounds like Johnny's mom mentions this in the first call when she is concerned about her son but does not suspect T(sorry not sure if I heard all comeplete 911 calls)-that Tiffany mentions the ransacked home and the Mom is worried but does not yet sem to suspect T. Only the police know if T also claimed to them the house was ransacked and when she told them this.

That T went by and said she checked and looked in and said she saw the house ransacked. LATER, Tiffany picks up Johnny's Dad and they go to the house, and I know Tiffany's car is blocked in by Johnny's Mom according to a later 911 call and police were on the scene then AFTER Johnny's Mom reports the ransacking in the first call if I heard the calls correctly-. IF Tiffany went there earlier and I was her and being suspected as Johnny's Mom obviously suspected her to the police as heard in the next 911 call, I would demand detectives follow me at the scene to peek into the same windows where I definately saw the ransacking. If these blinds were open earlier but since closed since the first police call out there (maybe so/T reported it and we just don't know that yet), I would absolutely be pointing that out to the dispatcher when T was back on the phone with them and if the dispatcher or police on the scene did not belive me and I thought my friends were still in danger and knowing the police were refusing a forced entry and I KNEW I saw a ransacked home, I would have shown them the same view where I saw the ransacking and if the blinds were closed since then, thrown a rock through the window while police were there to shatter the window and force the police to enter to prove the blinds were covering it up/show the ransacking and be damned with the consequences-if I KNEW the broken glass would prove the ransacking, I would have busted the window to prove it and my innocence. Since I personall feel T was invovled on the outer edges and she made up what she told and she never saw a ransacked house through windows (same as why the police and others did not initially), it makes sense why she did not push it :(

[ZEROSPHERES]

Thanks Methusala....your deductive reasoning has made this thread very interesting. Do you think robbery and greed the motive or a vendetta against JC was the objective? With the fake robbery a way to get him? We see the results but what do think the original plans were for JC? Was he duped?

[penalt]

You must have missed my 1^st reply when I stated that there was a benefit to be held & included a link then. Ohio guy just posted the details

Sounds like Johnny has solid friends willing to help HIS family.

Lisa . . . not so much.
Maybe the folks in Tucson should have "re-thunk" the visual display at the Med Center and Safeway. "Shot Nite" at a bar is more appropriate.

And then there's the folks in Hickory, NC . . .

that's the biggest line of bs I've read in this whole thread.

[an0n]

One of T's FB friends posted something about being with Johnny the weekend before and the night of the murders, saying she didn't know that when he left to pick Lisa up from work that night, that would be the last time she ever saw him. I was going to post a link, but I think the girl is a minor, so I don't think that would be allowed (?). Anyway, it wasn't hard to find, so if anyone is interested, it probably wouldn't take much rooting around on FB to find it.

I just looked on her wall but didn't see anything...hmmmm

It's not on T's wall, it's on the friend's wall. I was looking at friends that T had some kind of recent communication with. Crap, maybe it's not as easy to find as I thought. I just kinda stumbled upon it, clicking around.

I saw that too. There's also a comment on a friends status (her name is Teresa, she's not a minor because the status is about her 22^nd birthday) in which Tiffany comments "ay i aint even gonna b able 2 go...2 much shyt goin on". Teresa then replies saying, " yea i kno tiff itz coo i aint mad but it aint guna b tha same witout ya". Tiffany then responds with" i kno im sorry jus tryna stay out da way..." Then again THIS IS JUST FACEBOOK and not to be either taken seriously or in any way of having to do with the deaths. It could just be her possibly wanting to stay out of the way of people that may be at the party. either way, I found it interesting.

And now that I think about it, I highly doubt this girl is dumb enough to post anything related to this entire situation on FB.
are we sure this is the right Tiffany? (just to clarify)

[Countryside_Belle]

I thought it was strange that the mother of JC said something about "where is her son, where are the people who abducted and/or assaulted them", etc.
Why would she think that before the cousin had even looked into the window?
I know that's not the exact quote up there, but I recall hearing something very similar in the 911 calls....
On another note, I cannot stand the writings and ramblings of Tiffany's FB page......for some reason it smells of a 40oz of Mickey's Malt liquor.....
(gag)

[Wish.I.was.a.P.I]

Newbie here although I don't feel new to this forum since I've been reading about this case on here for days and days. It's hard for me to even go to work knowing I won't be able to read new information.

I had to finally post because I had read the same friends post that RJ's just talked about..also found it interesting. I had also found one post of a friend of Lisa's that spoke with her what seems to be before she left work. As I have been creeping around T's page/friends, I was very surprised to see how many friends she had that have either died or friends of friends that have died. Being that young and knowing so many other young people that have died leads me to believe that most of the people she associates with are not upstanding citizens. I have so many questions that all of you have answered and so many that are still unanswered but I have really enjoyed all of your knowledge.
I have a 20 yr old daughter and a 18 yr old son and I can't imagine what these families are going through but do much stuff just doesnt add up to me. At one point I was going with amateurs doing this, then thought it was too well thought out and I am still confused. I do know one thing, if my son or daughter's friend thought that either one of them were in trouble, they'd call their own mom or friends before calling me and I don't know that any of them would just come to my house and pick up my husband and I definately wouldn't assume that the person that obviously feels comfortable enough to pick my husband up would have set my child up. There is somthing that just seems off balance about all that...JMO.

[Freshbait78]

I thought it was strange that the mother of JC said something about "where is her son, where are the people who abducted and/or assaulted them", etc.
Why would she think that before the cousin had even looked into the window?
I know that's not the exact quote up there, but I recall hearing something very similar in the 911 calls....
On another note, I cannot stand the writings and ramblings of Tiffany's FB page......for some reason it smells of a 40oz of Mickey's Malt liquor.....
(gag)

Abducted/assaulted because he was not answering the phone, texts or the door so she assumed someone removed him from where he was last known to be? Because of the story that Tiffany was giving about being on the phone with him when an unknown person approached him, Tiffany going over to the house & getting no answer at the door & also stating that it was ransacked. I also agree about her FB page!!!!

[BlueTiki]

Sounds like Johnny has solid friends willing to help HIS family.

Lisa . . . not so much.

Tucson . . . "Shot Nite"

that's the biggest line of bs I've read in this whole thread.

Forgive me. This is Mock. It was sarcasm.

I figured "Tucson" and "Shot Nite" would tip you off.

Now . . . please offer an instance of friends rallying around Lisa.

C'mon . . . over 700 posts and this is the biggest line of BS?

Johnny's gettin' a DJ . . . does she even have a candle?

[Methusala]

Not to get silly, but Tiffany's horoscope today at the top of her Facebook page says in part:

"A trip of some kind might have to be postponed …"

[TotallyCurious]

I taped the mom on Jane Valez Mitchell, which will rerun at 4 10 am.
This is a totally amazing interview by Jane.
The mother says she (mother) knew how to get into the house
"i watched them take the key in and out of a box (to open the house)

Exact quotes:
"Johnny was in barber school."
"Whoever did this was trying to make a statement of some sort."
"Lisa had a very jealous x boyfriend."
"Lisa's boyfriend was in prison for robbery and just got out a couple months
ago." (Yet she refused to speak of her son's prison record.
"My son had no enemies. Lisa would have more connected to this than my son would. Someone knew her and knew how to get into the house."
(Remember, she had earlier said that she had watched them use the key
on many occasions. Why was she at Lisa's house?"
"The girl met us out there." (The telephone girl.)
"The second time I went out there..." (Mom had been at the house twice.)

One real real freaky thing was the photos shown on the page were ALL
of MOM and SON. P