Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[HeartBreaker]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

you've got some good points about the family. i go back and forth about them several times a day. they are unquestionably strange (at least maytee is). i'm sure a lot of what she showed of herself after the murder was do to being "out of her mind with grief" but i think there is no denying that she is a bit on the crazy side. there is also no denying that the family has been mixed up in some trouble (at least in the past) judging from their wrap sheets. IMO she seems to be the type that tried to be a little over-involved in JC's life. what i can't decide is did maytee suspect something to be terribly wrong because she knew he was mixed up with trouble or because she knew trouble was brewing (even if it was just through the grapevine). do i think she wanted her son and lisa dead... NO. i however (judging from what i've discovered about her), would not put it past her to have the house robbed.
IMO she knows more than she's letting out publicly... even if it's just that johnny was not such "a good boy" and may have had some enemies. i can't understand not wanting to paint that picture for the public... but let's hope she's being totally honest with the police when questioned.

[onefortheroad]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

[EastCoastKat]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

[sharit]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

when they say wat up blood, it means they care about them like a relative. most kids on facebook talk like this,they think its cool. i have 4 boys twins 21, 24, 29. my 29 was is the airforce 6 years now in reserve and a fireman. he also raps and you can actually understand what he says. he is an awesome father, husband, and son. he has a video on you tube.mighty joe, check it out. my favorite is its so hard to let you go.

[Adub]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

[DCTim]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

Interesting; thanks for that info. That's got to be really hard to type...catching yourself from typing/writing the "regular" version and replacing it with a 3...or like the other person who posted here previously Who Used A Capital Letter At The Beginning Of Every Word.

[EastCoastKat]

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

[onefortheroad]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

[EastCoastKat]

Lady Cop can I post a picture that someone on FB took down that was there until about a week ago, well a couple of them?

[sharit]

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

johnnys best friend is rubin. rubins girlfriend is friends with tiffany. from what i have read tiffany called rubins girlfriend.

[EastCoastKat]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

[onefortheroad]

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

Do you have a link to his FB that you can post?

I'm satisfied that Johnny and Tiff weren't friends at all, but had a business relationship.

[sharit]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

so do i

[Methusala]

Spotted this on Facebook one of Lisa's friends and also a friend of BD wonder what the "sum" is?

"iam tired of answerinn my phonee and herin bad newss.. godd what did she doo..the last words she said to me wass thankss be safee and ill call you tonight if me and johhny do sum..i saidd ok both yal be saafee. have a good nightt.. r.i.p lisaa like my liil sis"
January 31 at 12:44pm via Mobile Web.

"my word of advice for yall ...chill out"

February 1 at 12:01pm via Mobile Web.

Link?

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[TotallyCurious]

Your point makes sense- If the alarm was set, then they could of only have entered when the victims did- without triggering the alarm. If the key in fact, was to the alarm system- this would explain why it was found on the floor, perhaps after a struggle, as the uncle indicated there had been one.
I wonder if alarm systems, log anything for each time an alarm is set, so that there may be a record of this (?)

As far as "what" they wanted to steal- I have no guess on this. So many rumors about drug use, which creates a possibility, but nothing verified that there were drugs- and yet, the family lived in a nice home with nice things- which could of been incentive, and yet, they were not touched- so it is hard to tell- and with walls kicked in, the Uncle believes they thought there was a safe... so many possibilities on "what" they could want to steal- or thought they might find...

Pages in the first 20 here said the house alarm cables outside had been cut.

[sharit]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

so do i

sure would like to hear what johnnys best friend rubin has to say!

[Adub]

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

You make some good points, and the killings would have sent a sharp message to Johnny's gang, if he was in one. Tiffany's 'fallen soldier' was a Blood, and so is her current BF (AG, I think, though I gather she gets it on with ZB too). That would make her a Blood too or at least show where her loyalties lie.

I know I'm fixated on TW, but there's no way it was just coincidence that she was there on the night of the murders.

Does anyone know if John Clarke Sr was part of a gang?

No I don't. But he has a facebook with pictures. So if Johnny was trying to get his life straight, why hang out with Tiffany? What did she have to offer in the way of making positive changes in one's life? I look toward Tiffany for answers also. Enjoyed reading her comments on mock. And I do not think she set Johnny and Lisa up. I more or less accept her at face value. For whatever that is worth. And there are, understandably, somethings she ain't saying.

TW met them through the minor, ZB, who allegedly was into percocets heavily. JC was friends with the minor. I believe TW said that was how she met them, she met JC first and then met LS through, ZB and JC, at ZB's house.

I think the relationship runs deeper than ZB. I may be wrong. But one of Corrigans best buddies who has a RIP Corrigan pic as his fb photo (R.i.p. Donald 50 ckal) is closely tied in with Johnny's neighborhood friend that Johnny watched the ProBowl with on the Jan 30^th. And the photo for R.i.p. ckal includes all the "bros" posing gangster style. All the "bros" includes Johnny's old neighborhood friend that he watched the Pro Bowl with. So I do not think Tiffany needed ZB to meet anyone. Tiffany has been around for awile. And imo, ZB is a minor player.

[sharit]

i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

[sharit]

i own a cleaning service and most all place that i clean have alarms. i have never seen 1 which uses a key, never. yes they do have logs and if wire were cut the security service would know this and send LE.once you enter building you have 45 seconds to disarm, or le will be on there way.

think about, what would the purpose be to have an alarm if all you have to do is cut the wires.

[onefortheroad]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

I disagree and here why, JMO>
1. They are not smarter, they were much more emotionally invested as to where their son and his gf were, when they were told he was suppose to pick some up, never showed up and hasn't been answering his or LS phones for at least 2hrs and that he was arguing/yelling with/at someone. (and who knows what else TW actually said to them). The phones are dead and the cops were there at least twice and did nothing, oh yeah, I would be ready to kick that door in myself!

2. Maytee may have been so worked up that her cousin offered to drive her. She was having panic attacks, that's why they sent medics.

3. We don't know how many times Maytee has been to LS house while they were going out together and JC moved there, he was living there, so who knows how many times she may have picked him up there? She also may have sent Xmass cards, birthday card for LS, who knows. I don't find that odd at all.

I don't believe Maytee was involved with anything to do with JC and LS deaths, nada, nothing. Do I think she is a bit fruit looped, yep.

I agree with everything you've said here, Kat. As a parent myself, I'm sick thinking about the agony his parents suffered that night during the escalating panic when they couldn't reach their son and the eventual horror of discovering his dead body. Could this have been set up deliberately as a message to them? In fact, Tiff delivered the father to the house. She may not have predicted that the mother would first ask LE to do a welfare check. I'm pretty certain that either one of his parents would willingly have taken his place if it meant their son would be spared, and I can't think of a stronger way to send such a message if that was the intention.

It was also mentioned that an original condition of Johnny's parole was that he live with his mother, so she probably received mail for him that had to be re-addressed, in which case she'd know his new address by heart. I have a friend who died many years ago and I still remember her address from when I used to write to her.

Escalating panic, that's a good way to describe it, and then not only do you discover they have been murdered but look at how, OMG, that would haunt me until the day I died if I were Maytee or MaryBeth who still lives in the house!!

As far as a message to the JC's parents, anything is possible. I just think TW for sure has more info on what went down that night!

so do i

I'd go even further and surmise that TW controlled events that night - I see her as a puppet master. She's the only one who knows what the phone calls were really about, she put out the story that they were going to shoot pool that night and had done the same a night or 2 before (maybe only a cover for any dna that might be found), she decided when to raise the alarm, she took Johnny's father to the house to discover his body, she told 911 that they'd all hung up (why not say 'both'?) in case the story needed a little further tweaking.

And a few days later she comes on here and blesses everyone!