Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[ToledoNative]

Im pretty sure a stun gun would leave a mark. I think they came in with guns ordered the couple to lay down. Then taped them up. They (LS and JC) followed directions not thinking that they were going to kill them just rob them. Having a gun pointed at you or your girlfriends head would make you comply.

I thought that, too. An argument against that is Johnny was street wise and would have known better than to be put at a disadvantage like being taped up.

When I was a kid, Richard Speck killed all of those nurses in Chicago. He convinced them to let him tie them up, promising he wouldn't hurt them. Right then I learned, NEVER let anyone tie you up, EVER. If they have a gun, you take your chances and fight. If you get shot it's better than what else could happen if you're tied (or taped) up.

That's the same thing they say about someone telling you to get in a car and go with them. Even if they have a knife or a gun, you are better to let them shoot you in public, where people can see, than to let them torture you slowly in private.

I'm not going anywhere. You're going to have to shoot me, homie.

[imsuchawildflower]

Not east. The 3 is a crip sign. C for crip being the 3^rd letter of the abc's. I even doubt the significance of the 3 fingers as meaning west. And then there is the pitchfork.

Im just going by what is around here where I live...its a smaller town, so we dont have bloods and crips. We are lucky enough to enjoy Mexican Mafia, Surrenos, and several other high profile gangs that you read about in the paper when they are talking about the gang wars along the borders. You really arent safe from gang shit anywhere anymore. Cant even become Mormon and go to Salt Lake.

[Adub]

More..

Thanx for the pix Trix!!! Sad to see such a beautiful kid and the imagery it conjures up of that horrible night, but we need to see who we are talking about. It makes me me angry and i just want some answers. Her parents, sister,family and friends have a huge road ahead of them, but i think an arrest might give a tiny bit of comfort. i want them to have some comfort so badly.

Well in this case, hopefully the "sentence" will fit the crime. I'm still saying wtf at the leniency I am seeing in the sentencing phase in the Toledo courts. For example, the young man (Macrae) that supplied the gun to the young man(Jackson) that used the gun to blow a hole in Tiff's ex Corrigan got a plea deal that reduced the original arrest for murder to lying to police. Obstructing justice or something.

Basically, he took the plea and is sitting at home loving him some fb. He does have to drop for his PO (he was drinking water last I checked his fb , but other than that, no consequences to giving someone a friggen loaded gun? That was used to cause the death of another? Hello Toledo?? This dude had a gun! Whas up with that? It was used in a murder! And he gets out of jail free pass for lying to the popo? When at first he said not guilty? I'm just thinking that just may have something to do with the sito now. Just can't seem to shake that feeling.

[shitstorm]

And it is positive that Johnny dealt drugs?

Look up "teardrops" on this drug reference page: "teardrops - Dosage units of crack packaged in the cut-off corners of plastic bags".

Either Johnny dealt drugs, or the perps carried digital scales, cut-off corners and lighters in with them to the crime scene to divvy up a bit of crack after the murders.

Thanks for that, lawheeze. Crack is a staple item in the gangsta cupboard. BTW, we can thank the CIA for that. They're the ones who brought it into urban culture. That's another level of dirtbags that need to be removed from society.

[cjcisneros]

Im pretty sure a stun gun would leave a mark. I think they came in with guns ordered the couple to lay down. Then taped them up. They (LS and JC) followed directions not thinking that they were going to kill them just rob them. Having a gun pointed at you or your girlfriends head would make you comply.

I thought that, too. An argument against that is Johnny was street wise and would have known better than to be put at a disadvantage like being taped up.

When I was a kid, Richard Speck killed all of those nurses in Chicago. He convinced them to let him tie them up, promising he wouldn't hurt them. Right then I learned, NEVER let anyone tie you up, EVER. If they have a gun, you take your chances and fight. If you get shot it's better than what else could happen if you're tied (or taped) up.

You couldn't have said it better ! I'm not the strongest but I am not gonna go without putting up a fight !

[ToledoNative]

Somone asked Maytee on the RIPJohnny Page:
Have there been any leads yet to this horrible crime?
Sunday at 4:28pm

RIP Johnny: You tell me
Sunday at 4:50pm

I didn't notice that before, so looks like Maytee doesn't know too much either. That would make me crazy!!

or she's slick. being purposely evasive, insinuating, coy and fishing. that's the vibe i got when i saw it.

Yikes! I agree. What kind of a response is that?

[kitty1]

And as far as punch holes in the walls,who in the hell would put a safe in the wall, drywall over it. How would they get to it.

same thing i said!

I never thought of that! What a bunch of dumb asses!!

[shitstorm]

WOW!!! Holy Hell!!!! I've been reading all day, I'm confused and whenI think I know something I don't !!! and I don't think I'm totally caught up yet...

I have some thoughts....
the key: does anyone think it's significant that LE released the numbers on that key..almost as if they were overdescribing the key? I'm not debating on what the key might have opened garage, safe, lock box, whatever, I know that's been debated and then redabated..I'm just thinking, LE has released very little information but describing then they describe the key in detail. could it be code for something? could it be a code to a confidential informant? could it be a way to get someone to see if they are lieing? could it be one of those details that LE throws out to bait somebody? just wondering....

Do you think it is possible someone may just want to break into Police
Headquarters and get that key????

Say what??

lol


+ 1

[Inspector Gary]

This picture is recent not like the boat/cottage picture they seem older.

Here are the people:
TIFFANY-GUY ON TOP WITH BLUE HAT IS C ALSO IN BOAT PICTURE- GUY HOLDING BEER IS VD JOHNNY'S CHILDHOOD FRIEND, GIRL BLONDE IS VD'S GIRLFRIEND (who says she was with Johnny,Probowl, before he picked up Lisa), GUY IN FRONT W BROWN HAT IS J ALSO ON BOAT AT COTTAGE WITH LISA.

Click to make larger:

I just noticed something in this picture!

If you click to make the picture bigger, then look at the table by Tiffany. There are several joints and a bag of PILLS!! I mean, not that this is surprising at this point, but still thought I'd point it out!

[Inspector Gary]

This picture is recent not like the boat/cottage picture they seem older.

Here are the people:
TIFFANY-GUY ON TOP WITH BLUE HAT IS C ALSO IN BOAT PICTURE- GUY HOLDING BEER IS VD JOHNNY'S CHILDHOOD FRIEND, GIRL BLONDE IS VD'S GIRLFRIEND (who says she was with Johnny,Probowl, before he picked up Lisa), GUY IN FRONT W BROWN HAT IS J ALSO ON BOAT AT COTTAGE WITH LISA.

Click to make larger:

I just noticed something in this picture!

If you click to make the picture bigger, then look at the table by Tiffany. There are several joints and a bag of PILLS!! I mean, not that this is surprising at this point, but still thought I'd point it out!

Sorry, I thought the picture would still be in the message when I hit "quote."

Pic is in on page 480, post #6715.

[imsuchawildflower]

see? how Mock brings people in the community together with a common interest and you're making new friends? it just takes a little while for a forum to become a cohesive group.

cool~~

I love this forum. The people on here are respectful and actually have intelligent things to say.

I look forward to seeing you all on here in between my jobs, lol.

Back from job #2 and now I have to catch up again! UGH!

Me too. Gonna check it out on my BB so I can keep up while Im at work tomorrow.
So many deductions, sluethings, opinions and off topics...
SO little time. (im still catching up...im only on page 210)

[ZEROSPHERES]

Wow, I think it's crazy that these guys with Tiffany were also at a summer party with Lisa and friends, that is probably how Lisa and Johnny met, so this circle is much smaller than we think, or wider than we think, , no wonder LE hasn't said anything, OMG.

You got that right. Mayberry is dead.

I remember that show Mayberry R.F.D.
Mayberry Real Fucking .Dull.....but hey it spoke for the times.

[SayWhat123]

Well, I wouldnt go that far, but my grandson does have a tshirt that says "I was circumsized and all I got was this lousy tshirt" that he wears.

But not to church.
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OOOOH he's HOOD! LIl Gang Banger ! LOL
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Awwe Hes a Baby Baller. LOL





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LMAO!!
Hes more pimp than banger...ya gotta see him flirt with
the girls at the grocery store. They just love a 5 month old!
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[Lady Cop]

what is needed is that all the Mock members who will attend the benefit tomorrow find some way to recognize each other. a secret handshake?
a code word? i want you all to get together! :B

[imsuchawildflower]

This picture is recent not like the boat/cottage picture they seem older.

Here are the people:
TIFFANY-GUY ON TOP WITH BLUE HAT IS C ALSO IN BOAT PICTURE- GUY HOLDING BEER IS VD JOHNNY'S CHILDHOOD FRIEND, GIRL BLONDE IS VD'S GIRLFRIEND (who says she was with Johnny,Probowl, before he picked up Lisa), GUY IN FRONT W BROWN HAT IS J ALSO ON BOAT AT COTTAGE WITH LISA.

Click to make larger:

I just noticed something in this picture!

If you click to make the picture bigger, then look at the table by Tiffany. There are several joints and a bag of PILLS!! I mean, not that this is surprising at this point, but still thought I'd point it out!

omg...there are!!
whats whited out in the guy next to TW's, hand?

[ToledoNative]

you needn't quote 5000 words




Like this? LOL

Actually if we cut the quotes down in size it would make it easier for me to read the posts and scroll when I'm reading this stuff from my cell phone's browser

[TotallyCurious]

WOW!!! Holy Hell!!!! I've been reading all day, I'm confused and whenI think I know something I don't !!! and I don't think I'm totally caught up yet...

I have some thoughts....
the key: does anyone think it's significant that LE released the numbers on that key..almost as if they were overdescribing the key? I'm not debating on what the key might have opened garage, safe, lock box, whatever, I know that's been debated and then redabated..I'm just thinking, LE has released very little information but describing then they describe the key in detail. could it be code for something? could it be a code to a confidential informant? could it be a way to get someone to see if they are lieing? could it be one of those details that LE throws out to bait somebody? just wondering....

Do you think it is possible someone may just want to break into Police
Headquarters and get that key????

Say what??

lol

+ 1

Well, if it is the key to where drugs are stored, someone will
want the key. Just saying.

[ToledoNative]

what is needed is that all the Mock members who will attend the benefit tomorrow find some way to recognize each other. a secret handshake?
a code word? i want you all to get together! :B

That would be awesome. I'm so jealous.
Wait...you all are making me want to be in Toledo?? WTF!

It has to be something that no one else would notice. You will have to pm each other since other people (hint, hint) are on here reading this stuff.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Did you notice what a nice looking bunch of kids these were but the subtle gangsta garbage present?

The only difference between Springfield kids and Bowsher kids.
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For the record, after seeing, reading and digesting this....the first time my sons come home with a hat on with a straight bill, pants hanging low enough to look like Dorf, and a vocabulary of a 18 month old....I am gonna knock their heads off!!!!! Should my daughter decide to date someone with the same dress code I will knock his head off and hers as well......jjjjjjjjjeeeeeeezzzzzz
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WOW!!!...and from the looks of your AV, you could do it.....I sure wouln't want to mess with you. Just tell your daughter to carry a pic of the AV and show it to her boyfriend and warn him...."Step outa line and I'm taken you home to my mama....Love it.

[shitstorm]

I'm so confused with pics, initials, facebooks and theory's....my husband posted a staus on his facebook saying "Dear God, please find the killers of this murder in OH that has consumed my wife. She has been researching for weeks now and I'd like to have her back...Amen" and that was a nice version..hahaha

but I think maybe if we all list out or discuss the things we know DIDNT happen and then maybe that will help determine more of things that did happen. There are so many unknowns that we have went from cuban mafia to pregnant heroin dealer to skinny ass minor to paper writing boyfriend to crazy ex boyfriend to lunatic mother to loco blood crip goon gangs and even a freakish antler picture serial killer theory on a website.. I don't even live in OH and I see a white van and it makes me look twice to see who's driving it. I'm going crazy!!

hahaha! At about 8:30 PM (it was dark) some guy came knocking at my front door. I put him between 17-20. I said "what do you want?" and he responded with "good evening, mam, how are you tonight?" (going into some sales pitch, obviously) and I say, again "WHAT DO YOU WANT" (and I was very unfriendly) and he says "nevermind" and leaves. Mind you, it's dark, I live in a cul de sac, he's on foot and it freaking freezing outside. I mean WTF? He didn't have a car. I watched him go to the neighbors and overheard something about wheelchair basketball. Well, fuck me, but what is anyone doing out after dark, trying to pitch for donations?

This thread has made me hyper-vigilant! I'm gonna put up a no trespassing sign. Shit, I need to move to Texas, lol.